[mixin visuals]

i have been working hard on my site www.clubmedia.com and i have the colors set and everything now and next i need either a logo or cool looking font for clubmedia. i want to keep the text all lower or upper case.

anyone got any skills or ideas to help me?

thanks in advance

[Adam Betts]

I think you should hire someone to do the logo. Most people aren't interested into doing logos for free.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I think you should hire someone to do the logo. Most people aren't interested into doing logos for free.

looking for a cool font or something like that. i can do photoshop all day, i am just looking for something that may look a little different than what fonts i have.

[Adam Betts]

If I could do the logo, I'd ask you to list the keywords for ClubMedia and tell what is the main purpose of the website.

I doubt I will have enough time to do this but I'm sure it will be helpful to some people here if you list it here.

[Colonel_Panic]

I`ll do one in a few minutes..

Are you just looking for something to replace:



cough it up boy

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by Colonel_Panic:
I`ll do one in a few minutes..

Are you just looking for something to replace:



cough it up boy

yep

[Colonel_Panic]

I`m doing some more now so you can choose witch one you like..

[Powaqqatsi]

I'll try something

[Powaqqatsi]

I tried

[rjenkinson]

A


B


please give me lots of money now. thank you.

-r.

[Powaqqatsi]

[mixin visuals]

hehe you guys are crazy. i am kind of looking for something with light or med grey and the #cc0000 red that i just on the site

[Powaqqatsi]

I tried again the red is the #cc0000 that you specified and the word clubmedia is in a color that's ± close to the blue used in your site. Tell me if it sucks or if it looks adequate .I'm no pro at this.

PS: the black tekst is in Apple's new Myriad

[calimehtar]

Powaqqatsi, I like the first one. Here's how I would do something like it:

[Powaqqatsi]

I like that calimehtar, I hope you don't mind that I took your idea and made a few other versions with it ?

BTW what's the typeface you did the ">>" in ?



the possibilities are endless

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by calimehtar:
Powaqqatsi, I like the first one. Here's how I would do something like it:

thats along the path i am looking actually. i like the >> too. i am not liking the font too much though. i like that direction though definately

[calimehtar]

The font is mini, I used it in the text under the logo as well as the arrows. If i'm not mistaken it comes with Mac OS X. Othewise you can get it or something like it here:
http://www.wpdfd.com/MiniFonts.htm

It's probably easier, for the arrows, too do it in 2px-per-side boxes manually.

[daimoni]

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[Mac Guru]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:

It's never a good idea to try (emphasis on try) to create the Large cap, small cap thing with anything but a Caps font. You get what you got there, Caps fonts are designed for this since non-caps fonts don't scale well.

When you jump the first letter up in size it looks 3 to 4 times fatter than the rest.

Just a critique.

Mac Guru

[eep]

Here's a quicky.

[Powaqqatsi]

Mac Guru said:
It's never a good idea to try (emphasis on try) to create the Large cap, small cap thing with anything but a Caps font. You get what you got there, Caps fonts are designed for this since non-caps fonts don't scale well.

When you jump the first letter up in size it looks 3 to 4 times fatter than the rest.

Just a critique.

Mac Guru

Yes thanks for the input, I noticed that now I didn't like it either, "something" was very wrong, now I know what that something was. Thanks

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by eep:
Here's a quicky.

cool not bad at all that one is looking pretty cool too.

yeah i always spell clubmedia just like that no caps or spaces.

[daimoni]

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[Webscreamer]

Originally posted by calimehtar:
Powaqqatsi, I like the first one. Here's how I would do something like it:

Hey what is the font for the main title and the small text you used?

[designbc]

Hey, is it now trendy to use the >> symbols?

I mean no offense, but I see them so often...

>>

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by designbc:
Hey, is it now trendy to use the >> symbols?

I mean no offense, but I see them so often...

>>

Yeah it seem... CorbisImages.com use them too

[art_director]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
i have been working hard on my site www.clubmedia.com and i have the colors set and everything now and next i need either a logo or cool looking font for clubmedia. i want to keep the text all lower or upper case.

anyone got any skills or ideas to help me?

thanks in advance

you're selling banners space to amazon.com and you want a free logo?

the people here have been more than generous and, imo, foolish to give you anything.

don't want to sound red but to give away design hurts the art and business of graphic design.

to give you an idea, corporate identities run $4,000 - $50,000 depending upon a number of factors. your site would fall on the lower end of the spectrum but far above $0.

you have been blessed by some kind folk.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by art_director:
you're selling banners space to amazon.com and you want a free logo?

the people here have been more than generous and, imo, foolish to give you anything.

don't want to sound red but to give away design hurts the art and business of graphic design.

to give you an idea, corporate identities run $4,000 - $50,000 depending upon a number of factors. your site would fall on the lower end of the spectrum but far above $0.

you have been blessed by some kind folk.

thanks for your opinion. but my site currently isn't producing an income that makes it possible to dish out (at your low end) $4,000.

and you should check out the amazon associates program and realize that you don't sell banner space to amazon. you give it to them free. then IF someone clicks through it and purchases something at that exact time, you get a small percentage. hardly lucrative.

and i see nothing wrong with asking if anyone would like to help if they want to. not sure if you have really been to an art school, but there are tons of jobs that students can do that they can use as portfolio work. this being one of them. and not to mention non-paying internships. i have had several people saying they would love to have their logo used for my site and would love to give anyone a chance do the same.

WThRemix is a contest that is much more complex and is not a paying gig either.

but i guess since you are so much more in the 'know" than me you would know that right?

for some reason you came off like i wasn't appreciative for the ideas so far? and i don't know what your reason for that was at all.

[godzookie2k]

I wouldn't charge you 4 grand, but yes, you *are* getting away with murder. Some of you Art & Design guys are just way too nice sometimes.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by godzookie2k:
I wouldn't charge you 4 grand, but yes, you *are* getting away with murder. Some of you Art & Design guys are just way too nice sometimes.

i don't see it that way at all. if i was good at graphic design like that, i would do a logo free for google if i could.

[art_director]

i never said anything about your appreciating / not appreciating anything. i also never said there was something wrong with asking. i just think it's robbery.

whether your site is currently making money is not the point. you hope that it will one day. are you going to track down the kind soul who helped you with a logo and pay them once you turn a profit? wait, i already know the answer, no you won't. you will long have forgotten about it.

yes, i have been to design school, thankyouverymuch. it was twelve years ago and i have a lot of real world advertising and design experience for multinational blue chip clients under my belt. that is precisely why i am discouraging anyone, especially students, from giving away their work. they don't need to. they DESERVE TO BE PAID, whether it's by IBM, Ford, or some schlocky little mac forum website.

mighty bold of you to compare your site to design competitions. you're site doe not belong in that company.

i don't give a flying fig if you only get paid by amazon if people click through or if they're backing the money truck up to your door. you're trying to make a buck and you should pay designers, regardless of their experience, for their efforts and ideas. design is a business even if you don't see it that way.

peruse these boards and you'll see i toss my 2¢ in the ring anytime a young designer / art director asks for advice about doing free work or when some bottom feeder comes through this forum in search of free design.

as for your opinion, well, i don't honestly care about what it is. i'm only interested in helping out the macnn ad / design community.

[designbc]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
i don't see it that way at all. if i was good at graphic design like that, i would do a logo free for google if i could.

Why? What do we graphic designers get for free?

All the time people come to us asking: Could you do me the favor and design this or that for me? And I do it, too often. My wife knows about it, and takes good care of reminding me.

We love what we do, but we have a mortgage to pay also.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by art_director:
i never said anything about your appreciating / not appreciating anything. i also never said there was something wrong with asking. i just think it's robbery.

whether your site is currently making money is not the point. you hope that it will one day. are you going to track down the kind soul who helped you with a logo and pay them once you turn a profit? wait, i already know the answer, no you won't. you will long have forgotten about it.

yes, i have been to design school, thankyouverymuch. it was twelve years ago and i have a lot of real world advertising and design experience for multinational blue chip clients under my belt. that is precisely why i am discouraging anyone, especially students, from giving away their work. they don't need to. they DESERVE TO BE PAID, whether it's by IBM, Ford, or some schlocky little mac forum website.

mighty bold of you to compare your site to design competitions. you're site doe not belong in that company.

i don't give a flying fig if you only get paid by amazon if people click through or if they're backing the money truck up to your door. you're trying to make a buck and you should pay designers, regardless of their experience, for their efforts and ideas. design is a business even if you don't see it that way.

peruse these boards and you'll see i toss my 2¢ in the ring anytime a young designer / art director asks for advice about doing free work or when some bottom feeder comes through this forum in search of free design.

as for your opinion, well, i don't honestly care about what it is. i'm only interested in helping out the macnn ad / design community.

i agree all designers deserve to be paid. that is obvious. thats why i asked if anyone WANTED to help. not bitch about stuff. simple question. if you want to i would appreciate it, if not, thanks anyways. not to hard for someone that has been out of school and has 12 years experience to understand is it?


so where in your 12 years of work did you run across anyone that likes it when you ask a question and answer it for them before they have a chance to?

whether your site is currently making money is not the point. you hope that it will one day. are you going to track down the kind soul who helped you with a logo and pay them once you turn a profit? wait, i already know the answer, no you won't. you will long have forgotten about it.

must be nice to work with you.

like i said, if you would like to help, i would appreciate it, if not thanks anyways.

thanks for the bottom feeder remark too. its always nice to know fellow mac users are such classy people. might want to get yerself a compaq

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by designbc:
Why? What do we graphic designers get for free?

All the time people come to us asking: Could you do me the favor and design this or that for me? And I do it, too often. My wife knows about it, and takes good care of reminding me.

We love what we do, but we have a mortgage to pay also.

no doubt graphic designers deserve to make loot. i never said that. i just asked if anyone wanted to help. simple question.

[art_director]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
so where in your 12 years of work did you run across anyone that likes it when you ask a question and answer it for them before they have a chance to?

must be nice to work with you.

like i said, if you would like to help, i would appreciate it, if not thanks anyways.

thanks for the bottom feeder remark too. its always nice to know fellow mac users are such classy people. might want to get yerself a compaq

professionals don't ask for free design. that's why you got the response. that's also why i made the bottom feeder reference. you came here to prey on students. i'm offended by that.

i answered the question before waiting for your response because i've done this dance before and i know your type. in fact, i'm still waiting to get paid by a number of people for work i did in school under similar circumstances.

must point out that you never answered the question either.

mac users are not suckers, which is what you've taken people here to be.

now go steal some cookies from a girl scout.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by art_director:
professionals don't ask for free design. that's why you got the response. that's also why i made the bottom feeder reference. you came here to prey on students. i'm offended by that.

i answered the question before waiting for your response because i've done this dance before and i know your type. in fact, i'm still waiting to get paid by a number of people for work i did in school under similar circumstances.

must point out that you never answered the question either.

mac users are not suckers, which is what you've taken people here to be.

now go steal some cookies from a girl scout.

i do my site for the love of it. thank you. if i end up making money down the road. thats cool too, but not what my life is about. its my hobby, not my job.

not sure what has crawled up yer ass but damn, whats your problem? really, what is your problem. i have no problem what so ever giving credit and whatever to anyone that would help, or had any ideas for it. and i have emailed those that have emailed me as well. so before you start doing what you seem to like doing (speaking for others) when you could just be minding your own business. and you should see if you could work for some sort of mind reading business if you have such talent of reading minds, and knowing everything. sad thing is is that you are wrong about me.

so how about you worry about you and i will worry about myself. thanks for being there though. i thought you had a job, why the stalking?

[EnVoy]

Allright, I'll bite....

art_director is absolutely right. Yes, there is nothing wrong with asking for some work for free. What's wrong is new, inexperienced designers/AD's responding the these requests.

Lets say, mixin visuals, that business X approached you and wanted to place a banner ad on your site, wanted you to do it for free, and in return you get nothing. Not exactly a win/win business deal. Your in business to make money. Cheritable causes may be an exception, but even when you donate your expertise to cherity, you get something in return, usually in the form of write-offs or spin-off work.

Giving away work for free does three things to an industry as a whole. 1. Devalues industry wide rates, and 2. lowers the perception placed on the industry as a whole, and 3. reduces the quality of work produced from the industry.

Here's how: You (and I mean the collective "You" & not you specifically) ask for some free work from a designer, and a designer then does something and gives it to you. This designer has just shown you, the client, that you are able to get work for free from these people. This make you less inclined to pay for work in the future. You also believe the work you got is of professional quality, when most likely it is not, as seasoned pros want payment for work. Since you didn't go to Art School and don't know good work from bad, this lowers your standard and perception of what real good design work is, and you can't understand why designer A (the seasoned pro turning out top notch work) wants X amount, when designer B (the young green designer doing inexperienced work) will do it for free. So, armed with a bad perception of how it works, next time you need work, you go back to the designer B, and go back over and over again, each time this faulty perception is being re-enforced. The perception of 'artists are lame, why should I pay for it when I can get it for free".

This happens in most all the "Art" related fields, I got my start as a professional photographer, and the same thing happens in that field. The industry as a whole is negativly affected when this occurs. We have seen a huge shift in the attitudes of our clients in the recent past, due largely to an increase in the base of quasi pro "do it on their spare time" designers/artists/photographers, vastly increasing the amount of shotty, low cost, crap available to clients. Anyone with a computer and a copy of Flash seems to think they are a web designer these days.

So, I hope you can understand why people get angy when a "request for free work" is made.

My $0.02

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by EnVoy:
Allright, I'll bite....

art_director is absolutely right. Yes, there is nothing wrong with asking for some work for free. What's wrong is new, inexperienced designers/AD's responding the these requests.

Lets say, mixin visuals, that business X approached you and wanted to place a banner ad on your site, wanted you to do it for free, and in return you get nothing. Not exactly a win/win business deal. Your in business to make money. Cheritable causes may be an exception, but even when you donate your expertise to cherity, you get something in return, usually in the form of write-offs or spin-off work.

Giving away work for free does three things to an industry as a whole. 1. Devalues industry wide rates, and 2. lowers the perception placed on the industry as a whole, and 3. reduces the quality of work produced from the industry.

Here's how: You (and I mean the collective "You" & not you specifically) ask for some free work from a designer, and a designer then does something and gives it to you. This designer has just shown you, the client, that you are able to get work for free from these people. This make you less inclined to pay for work in the future. You also believe the work you got is of professional quality, when most likely it is not, as seasoned pros want payment for work. Since you didn't go to Art School and don't know good work from bad, this lowers your standard and perception of what real good design work is, and you can't understand why designer A (the seasoned pro turning out top notch work) wants X amount, when designer B (the young green designer doing inexperienced work) will do it for free. So, armed with a bad perception of how it works, next time you need work, you go back to the designer B, and go back over and over again, each time this faulty perception is being re-enforced. The perception of 'artists are lame, why should I pay for it when I can get it for free".

This happens in most all the "Art" related fields, I got my start as a professional photographer, and the same thing happens in that field. The industry as a whole is negativly affected when this occurs. We have seen a huge shift in the attitudes of our clients in the recent past, due largely to an increase in the base of quasi pro "do it on their spare time" designers/artists/photographers, vastly increasing the amount of shotty, low cost, crap available to clients. Anyone with a computer and a copy of Flash seems to think they are a web designer these days.

So, I hope you can understand why people get angy when a "request for free work" is made.

My $0.02

yes i agree and understand all this completely. my site is more of a benefit for others to put good resources in one place for them. i do it because i like to do it, and am learning more html, css, and other things in the process. my site is currently not worth spending any major amount of money on for me. thats just the way it is. its there for others to use as a resource. and i like it to be just that. i don't ask for a dime from anyone coming to my site, you see no donate links or anything. its my hobby. and if someone would like to help out with a logo, that would be awesome since i spend most my time working on html, css, the kinks of it, and news.

i just don't appreciate someone talking like he knows me and how "my type" is because he knows absolutely nothing about me. imagine if someone in the video section asked if someone could help them figure out how to do something and mr. art_director came along and got his panties all in a bunch saying thats what teachers are for, or go buy a book if you want to learn. no difference. i didn't ask for complainers, just help with a logo.

[art_director]

EnVoy:

thank you. your post summed up my thoughts in a clear, concise fashion.

having been a photographer you definetly know the value of maintaining the quality and price for top notch imagery. design should be held in the same regard. unfortunately not everyone views / understands it that way. while mixin visuals may have had honest intentions he / she does not see value of our argument(s). he / she only sees putting some makeup on a website.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by art_director:
EnVoy:

thank you. your post summed up my thoughts in a clear, concise fashion.

having been a photographer you definetly know the value of maintaining the quality and price for top notch imagery. design should be held in the same regard. unfortunately not everyone views / understands it that way. while mixin visuals may have had honest intentions he / she does not see value of our argument(s). he / she only sees putting some makeup on a website.

and if someone would like to help "put some make-up" on my site and say they did it, i would be thankful.

[EnVoy]

i just don't appreciate someone talking like he knows me and how "my type" is because he knows absolutely nothing about me.

Understood, I'd feel the same way.

i do it because i like to do it, and am learning more html, css, and other things in the process. my site is currently not worth spending any major amount of money on for me. thats just the way it is. its there for others to use as a resource. and i like it to be just that. i don't ask for a dime from anyone coming to my site, you see no donate links or anything. its my hobby. and if someone would like to help out with a logo, that would be awesome since i spend most my time working on html, css, the kinks of it, and news.

I understand completly, heck, I go photograph trash cans for the practise. One problem I can see, though, is that you say it is a hobby, but when I go to your site, I see a commercial site. I see ClubMedia Gear T-shirts for sale, advertising banners from Amazon, and it's full of links to other commercial, for profit sites. I think it might be easier for others to digest the "free work" request if your site was totally "hobby" with no commercial aspect. Your site appears to be "for profit", and these "seasoned pros" I speak of would expect payment from a business such as this.

Anyway, good luck to you, I hope the site takes off.....

[art_director]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
and if someone would like to help "put some make-up" on my site and say they did it, i would be thankful.

you crack me up.

now take out your checkbook.

[mixin visuals]

Originally posted by art_director:
you crack me up.

now take out your checkbook.

its out.

[art_director]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
its out.

a good start.

now start by writing a "9" and follow it with zeros until i tell you to stop.

[designbc]

Originally posted by art_director:
a good start.

now start by writing a "9" and follow it with zeros until i tell you to stop.

Now it is getting good. Art_director, if you need help, just let me know.

[mixin visuals]

ok, no more space on the check, who do i make it out to?

[MindFad]

Originally posted by mixin visuals:
ok, no more space on the check, who do i make it out to?

Me, please, me.

[kulverse]

Wow. Interesting thread.

[Powaqqatsi]

yes, very

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by kulverse:
Wow. Interesting thread.

Haha, I agree