Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

You are here: MacNN Forums > Enthusiast Zone > Art & Graphic Design > My finished BA paper

My finished BA paper
Thread Tools
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Athens, Greece
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 13, 2003, 04:50 PM
 
Here is in a pdf my work of the last 2 months. Most of you will know about it and have seen my progress. Anyway here it is complete for you to comment ( most of you will definately comment about the typography...)

http://idisk.mac.com/dkatsafouros/Public/Booklow2.pdf

And for those who don't know me. I'm a graphic designer doing my BA. The topic I chose was 3d illustration and this is my paper for the second semester
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Baltimore, MD
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 14, 2003, 07:15 AM
 
Its kind of funny phobos. I like about half of the work you do, don't like the other half. Its seriously 50/50. This isn't meant to be offensive, the half I do like I *really* like. This book is a good example. Every other page I'm like "ooh thats nice" but then every other page I'm also like "eeekk what is he doing?"

You are right. The typography needs(needed) some serious help. Everyone knows I'm all about distressed type, but running overlapping type with a negative leading is a science. You have to be careful that your ascenders aren't running into the dots on your "i's", and that your commas aren't getting lost in the crosses on your "T's", etc etc etc. its an endless list of little things that you have to be very careful of when you are doing it. Second of all Futura is the wrong typeface for that kind of treatment. Futura needs space, its very rounded and open and geometric, and when its that compressed it becomes very unreadable. A different typeface choice would have gone a long way. I do like the simplicity of your type-only pages, but I think you could have used the negative space a bit more, especially on your titling.

Your photoshop and 3d work is pretty top notch, though the overlayed motion blur effect becomes a bit tiring after a while, it would have been nice to see. An illustrator buddy of mine ( http://home.earthlink.net/~mmontenat/ ugly site, he aint no designer, obviously ) and I went over it page by page last night. Heres a loose breakdown of what we said:

Page 4 (eyes): cool image, the motion blur is a bit over the top, we thought a soft focus might have been more effective, its begging for some type to get laid in there, it feels a bit empty, cool image nonetheless.

Page 6: purple guy: Cool type treatment, but the figure just aint happening, his proportions are way off, and he feels very ridged. Great photoshop work on the background though.

Page 7: lightbulb 1 (of 12? ) We both love the lightbulb. its very well done. I thought the page was probably one of the best in the book. It has the same problem as page 4 though, its begging for some kind of minimalist, but distressed type treatment on that left page.

Page 9: fantastic.

Page 11: good job, though the figures again feel very ridged, and the bar stools don't *quite* look like they are sitting on the ground. The snowflaky white sphere effect is really nice though. Composition could be better.

Page 13 cool colors, cool spread, but the cardboard box ruins it, its over processed and just isn't believeable.

Page 14 - the bulb is cool, but as a spread it is a bit weak.

Page 16 is fantastic. amazing. the negative space on the left side tracing the curve of her hip is the most beautiful nuance in this book.

Page 18: ugh that face needs work, big time. 3D rendered faces are very hard. I think you should have obscured the face more to cover it up. nice texture though.

page 20: uck. the background is cool, but the tray is misproportionate to the girl, the facial features are misproportionate, and something about the lightsource is bugging the hell out of me. Motion blur overlay continues to be over used.

Page 21 Bulb cool. Same bulb shot over and over and over makes it lose its coolness.

Page 23: ahhh floaty ashtray of death! This panel, thank god doesn't have the overlayed motion blur. It has a cool handwriting texture, the hand is well done, but the rest feels very rushed. I can't tell if the cigarette is a smoke or a piece of chalk, its not proportional with the ashtray, its too thick, and its not lit. it also doesn't appear to have a filter.

Page 25 I don't really like inverses but this works pretty nicely.

Page 27 fees pretty cool over all. I like the right side especially.

Page 29. Meh... not one of my favorite pages. its a cool color scheme, but the pattern on the right, and the not so hot figures just aren't working for me.

Page 30. great job on the side of the head, great job on the door. the rest feels a little rushed. the halos around the edges of some of the stairs look accidental instead of on purpose.

Page 31 broke bulb = cool, I wish you rendered it from another angle though, this is beginning to look like you just ran different photoshop effects on the same image, which feels a little half ass to me.

Pages 32-33 both are cool I guess, nice effects, not the mindblowingly great ending I was hoping for I guess.

Again, its 50/50 hit or miss. My buddy actually said the same thing. Everyone has some bad pieces, but I think you have either been rushing some of those pages, or have been working on them too long and hit a point where you were just going through the motions. Overall its a good book, but I think it could be great. how is it bound? Oh, and if you are getting a BA in design, you may want to take a few more type classes, to really be able to develop your type more, which is the weakest point in the book, and one of the more important aspects of design, your MAJOR after all.
     
phobos  (op)
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Athens, Greece
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 14, 2003, 08:51 AM
 
Hello godzookie. Wow I didn't expect anuone to comment on it piece by piece!! Thanks very much!!

On some things you are right. Some pieces are rushed because I got really tired and had no time in my hands.
I chose a really difficult subject which is illustration and especially 3d illustration. I had only 2 1/2 months to complete it so I had to compromise on some things. I had 2 1/2 months to think of the subject, settle down on the visual look I wanted build the objects one by one (which takes a hell of a lot of time), texture the objects, light the scenes, making poses of the figures, and finally composite them at photoshop. That's a hell of a lot of stuff to do by only one person. And some things like making characters and riggin them, texturing the real way haven't done before so I had a lot of things to solve. All the pictures at the begginning of the project were supposed to have typography in them. Especially the light bulb scenes would have a really nice typography treatment. But I was reaching at the last 2 weeks without even having completed the pictures so I ditched this plan.... That's why on some pictures you say that they're begging for some typography cause that's what they were planned for!!!
I had a huuuuge amount of problem solving to do and I must have read at least 1000pages of manuals and books to solve them.
I was at a point where after the first month I haven't had any picture at my hands. I had only the character fully textured and fully rigged. So I have only 1 1/2 month to make all the images!!! I didn't have any object modelled or textured and I needed many. So I started to cut back on those and make the scenes efficient and only with all the appropriate stuff needed. And all this time I'm working like 10-12 hours a day and I'm starting to feel very tired. But I managed to make them. And now all that is left is the typography. I had one week to pull this off and I was very relaxed cause (even if it doesn't show) I'm good at typography. But I'm calling the man who I'm going to print and he says that he needs 7-10 days to print it!!!!!!!! (The previous paper took 3 days to print..) And to this I had to add the binding of the book that someother guy would do. He needed 3 days. So I had 3 days to come up with a good solution. Despite what everybody thinks about the typography (you're not the only one who doesn't like it!!!!) I don't think it's bad at all. Surely it needs some corrections but it isn't for the trash.

The concept here is that you're actually watching his thoughts. It's like you're in the middle of his brain and his thoughts pass by very fast. He is seconds from dying so his thoughts are very fast and mixed.And you can't quite read them because you can't see them.His thoughts are very fast and his feelings are mixed. That's why I used a very small leading. You might have noticed that I used different font sizes and regular and italic sizes. The main thought behind it is that you are watching an internal dialog with himself. The phrases with the regular font are the ones from the part of the hero who is solid to his thoughts and the phrases with italics are the ones from the part of the hero who always questions his actions and is very unsure.
I think it's as readable as it needs to be on the actual printout. (I've done several tests on this)

Now for the images. The bulb scene symbolizes the characters life. That's why it's repeated so many times. The images are like the actual physics of the light bulb. Before a light bulb is about to be burnt it lights much more than before. Than it light out and on the last step is ruined. (the explosion scene of the bulb at the end.) The colors of the bulb that get out symbolizes the soul of the hero thats getting away.

Now for the rest of the images
Page4 (the eyes): It's the scene when he gets hit by the car. The light from the car are over exposing his face and the character is very terrified.On the right side of the image you can see a figure motion blurred. He's the character beign blown midair by the car. (Nobody sees this!!! And I've modelled 10 different positions for this one...). What I like in this image is that you can see 2 different states of the character. One is when the car is reaching for him and going to hit him and the second where he is actually hit.

Page6: It's the man who hit him. Because the character is loosing his senses he can't hear what is he talking about. Thats why the text is blurring and gradually vanishing. Again we see 2 states. One is the man who is trying to see if the hero is ok and second the character loosing his senses.

Page 7: Bulb scene. Here we realize that something isn't going right with the character. This is the image that symbolises that his death is starting to take place

Page9: This scene symbolises the state of the hero's mind. All his memories that he thinks are stored in boxes are starting to open and flood his mind. That why the scene is full of light.

Page 11: This is his most recent memory. He's on a bar and he's not having fun at all.He thinks that all the people there are some faceless with no personality people. They all look the same to him. Notice the star that are starting to take over the picture. At this point he's taking a slight control of his senses. The stars are the stars that he sees when he is lying down on the road. Notice the stars on the first picture. From this point on he's starting a flashback on the past

Page 13 (The box picture). We all remember our childhood full of innocence and happiness. The only disturbing thing in the image is the hard shadows that symbolise his recent state.His mind is telling him that something isn't right. Also notice the cubes. His mind again is thinking about ways to tell him that something doesn't go right. You will see the word "death" on the cubes. Also notice on the background the clock that's ticking. We all have an inner clock that helps us realise what time it is. Noon,morning etc. This is our heroes clock alarming him that time is passing by.

Page14: The bulb again. It's startin to loose his lights and a week light is starting to flow out of the bulb.

Page 16. The female body symbolises all his sexual partners. No matter how our sexual partner is we always visualise him with the best possible way.

Page 18: The lack of communication. Our hero is talking to another person. It's not one person it mainly everybody. Remember the bar scene. Everyone is facelles and same for him. This is exactly it. A facelles with no personality person.
On situations like these (accidents) our mind is starting to not work right. So his mind is projecting all sorts of stuf. With this image the hero is starting to see all kinds of illussion. The illusion on this one is the white man on the door on the right page. It's our primal fear I guess that someone is watching us. The clock on the right again is a reminder of the passing time.

This image uses a version of the hero that looks like ****!!! I can't remember why I used this one.... The image was rushed.

Page 20. The hero working at a fastfood. He hates his job and as youg uessed right it's one hell of a rushed image!!! Notice the clock again on the background and the stars. The second time he gains his senses.

Page 21: The background is getting really dark and the light symbolizing his soul is starting to get thicker and with more light.

Page 23: This is our heroes hand touching an empty frame. He had a picture of his girlfriend there, The shadow on the ashtray is inverted just to make the image uneasy and to visually show that something isn't right. I was going to produce smoke for the cigar but I decided not to... ( remember the damn time limit!!!)

Page 25. Wow this must be the most rushed image of all times!!! The one image I hate the most. It took me only a couple of hours. (2 or 3)

Page 27: I like this image very much. It was a very fastly done image but has strong compoasition I think. It symbolises the spirits coming near the chinese (errm) thingy.

Page 29: Although you can't see it it's a fully modelled elevator that takes the hero down. Meaning hell. That's why I used these kind of colors. The phantom figure behind him is actually him. It's like an out of his body experience.

Page 30. This is the part where his illussion are taking over him. He realises that he can't go to paradise cause he wasn't a so good man. The door symbolises heaven. It's unreachable and has so many lock. Instead he can access all the stairs that all lead downstairs....

Page 31. The light bulb has cracked and his soul is out. One tough scene to make. The light bulb can explode reallistically and can be fully animatable

Pages 32 and 33 symbolise again the death of the character

Hope this helps to understand my images better.
The final output is 70 by 20 cm and it's going to be binded like a real book with hard cover. Sorry I don't know the english term.
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Baltimore, MD
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 15, 2003, 06:05 AM
 
Oh I understand the imagery and the meaning behind them, and why what is what. I think you did a fantastic job considering the time frame. But alot of the images seem rushed and it shows.

regarding the lightbulb: I realized that this had something to do with his life, the ideas are presented to the viewer by you pretty clearly, I just wish it wasn't the same shot, over. and over. and over. and over. and over.
You know?

Great job anyway.
     
Forum Regular
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Cali
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 16, 2003, 03:26 PM
 
Ok this is stupid of me, but you mispelled weak in page 5 . "I feel sooo week". Cool concept though, I like that lightbulb.
     
phobos  (op)
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Athens, Greece
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 18, 2003, 05:24 PM
 
Yep Aric you're so right about the spelling error. I have so many grammatcal errors that makes me wonder what I was thinking for not running the spelling checker. It makes it feel very unprofessional...
Next time I'll know better...
     
Mac Elite
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Baltimore, MD
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
May 19, 2003, 06:38 AM
 
Thats why editors rule. Catch all the schpelling mistakes us creative-horrible-spellers make. I may actually have to contimplate (see?) marrying an editor if I ever want to freelance fulltime again...
     
   
Thread Tools
Forum Links
Forum Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Top
Privacy Policy
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 AM.
All contents of these forums © 1995-2011 MacNN. All rights reserved.
Branding + Design: www.gesamtbild.com
vBulletin v.3.8.7 © 2000-2011, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2