[awcopus]

The application has to be seen to be believed. Extremely intuitive interface, extraordinarily responsive application, plays well with FCP and its entire suite of apps, and chock full of exciting goodies like "behaviors" instead of keyframes that genuinely accelerate creative work-ups on your way to a finished design.

Also, DVDSP3 has great enhancements as well. Among them, slideshows can now be built with optional transitions between slides included in the app instead of having to be built in FCP. Also, the app works very well with Motion and features live updates and real time previewing without having to render out Livetype or Motion files. WOW!

Another thing clear from the demo was how Expose can and should be used to expedite moving from one app to the other, literally dragging entire projects from the window of one app to the appropriate place in the timeline or canvas of another app. So great.

[k_munic]

thanx for your infos!

btw:
does anybody know: do these behaviors follow the concept of "plug-ins"? could we expect third-parties offering new & other behaviors? that would be cool, as in photoshop/iMovie (hey hey ) you could expand the possibilities...-

and:
i do like the price

[Lordx_]

Man, I wish i could have gone to that last night As for motion, just from reading the website it looks like an incredible product. The only thing that is a concern for me are the system specs. They are awfully steep and I hope my dual 1.42ghz G4 with the stock Radeon 9000 will run it decently. I don't mind waiting for it to render.. I can deal with that if motion prevents me from using After Effects

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Lordx_:
Man, I wish i could have gone to that last night As for motion, just from reading the website it looks like an incredible product. The only thing that is a concern for me are the system specs. They are awfully steep and I hope my dual 1.42ghz G4 with the stock Radeon 9000 will run it decently. I don't mind waiting for it to render.. I can deal with that if motion prevents me from using After Effects

You and I have the same machine and I was assured that Final Cut Pro HD and all of its supporting apps will run faster on our machines than previous versions. As for Motion, the guy who spoke about the app said that it ran fine on our system, so !

Between FCP4 and now all of these updates plus Motion, Apple has really blown my hair back with all of this functionality. What a thrill to have the platform I prefer be the one with all of these amazing tools. !

[Lordx_]

Originally posted by awcopus:
You and I have the same machine and I was assured that Final Cut Pro HD and all of its supporting apps will run faster on our machines than previous versions. As for Motion, the guy who spoke about the app said that it ran fine on our system, so !

Between FCP4 and now all of these updates plus Motion, Apple has really blown my hair back with all of this functionality. What a thrill to have the platform I prefer be the one with all of these amazing tools. !

That is *GREAT* to hear! I think I'll place an order for it as soon as I can Thanks for the info.

[Simon X]

Saw Motion in London last week at Apple's past NAB demos. Like awcopus said you have to see it to believe it. Sure, it was running on a G5 but wow did it look cool. The work flow amongst FCP HD LiveType, DVD SP and Motion is fantastic. And the work flow with Motion is very nice. It's no After Effects killer but then again it will take sales away from those who don't need the full feature set AE offers, and deservedly so. It looks like it does what it does very well. Apple does have a Midus touch it seems in so many areas.

I'd love to buy it but I think my TiBook 1Ghz is not going to be up to scratch. I need a new tower.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Simon X:
Saw Motion in London last week at Apple's past NAB demos. Like awcopus said you have to see it to believe it. Sure, it was running on a G5 but wow did it look cool. The work flow amongst FCP HD LiveType, DVD SP and Motion is fantastic. And the work flow with Motion is very nice. It's no After Effects killer but then again it will take sales away from those who don't need the full feature set AE offers, and deservedly so. It looks like it does what it does very well. Apple does have a Midus touch it seems in so many areas.

I'd love to buy it but I think my TiBook 1Ghz is not going to be up to scratch. I need a new tower.

Hey there, Simon.

The guy who demo'd SHAKE at my meeting prefaced his remarks (most of which flew over my head... Shake is impressive and way beyond anything I need) by sharing that he had recently completed a video editing job involving HiDef footage at Low Quality (still looks better than DV at high quality) on his 17" PowerBook (the 1.5GHz one). Food for thought. Even though your machine is 50% slower, if you're not working with HiDef, maybe your machine would be able to handle the load with the proper settings in place. You should try it before you rule it out. A number of people at the meeting were commenting on how much more responsive FCP HD feels on their portables.

For me, I edit only on my desktop, a dual 1.42 G4. The only thing keeping me from getting a dual G5 is the lack of hard drive expansion. I'm used to having 750GB online all the time inside my machine. In 2005, I will be upgrading to an XServe RAID and probably a dual G5 as well. This year, I'm happy to keep plugging along with my current setup, which handles everything I throw at it (all DVCAM).

[k2director]

For those with 1.4Ghz Duals, you should be fine CPU wise. What counts is having lots of RAM, since that's what enables Motion to do its seemingly real time changes without rendering.

I got a demo from Apple a couple weeks ago, and they emphasized that 2.5 to 4 gigs of ram (preferably 4) was a nice neighborhood to work in.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by k2director:
For those with 1.4Ghz Duals, you should be fine CPU wise. What counts is having lots of RAM, since that's what enables Motion to do its seemingly real time changes without rendering.

I got a demo from Apple a couple weeks ago, and they emphasized that 2.5 to 4 gigs of ram (preferably 4) was a nice neighborhood to work in.

The most RAM a 1.4GHz machine can have is 2gb. The numbers you quote are only possible in a G5, and come to think of it the demo in the city was with a G5 maxed out with 8 GB of RAM.

I would expect MOTION to run fine on my machine as long as the project can be fully cached in RAM. After that, I bet there's a huge performance drop off due to bus bandwidth issues that wouldn't affect a G5 because of its system architecture.

For the time being, I simply can't justify losing access to 750GB of online storage for merely the cost of the hard drives to gain performance advantages that don't really help me since none of my work has tight deadlines.

[scottiB]

Originally posted by k2director:
2.5 to 4 gigs of ram (preferably 4) was a nice neighborhood to work in.

As my DP800/1.5GB marches slowly to Apple Pro App obsolescence...

[macbain80]

Could you explain what you mean with Expose? Anytime I grab something, say from Final Cut and bring the cursor to my hot corner to show all windows, Expose won't activate.

How do you use Expose to drag things? Thanks!

[dlefebvre]

Originally posted by macbain80:
Could you explain what you mean with Expose? Anytime I grab something, say from Final Cut and bring the cursor to my hot corner to show all windows, Expose won't activate.

How do you use Expose to drag things? Thanks!

for this you need to use the keyboard shortcut.

[Simon X]

Originally posted by dlefebvre:
for this you need to use the keyboard shortcut.

Not necessarily. As well as the keyboard shortcut you can also use the screen hot corners once activated from the Exposé pref panel.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by macbain80:
Could you explain what you mean with Expose? Anytime I grab something, say from Final Cut and bring the cursor to my hot corner to show all windows, Expose won't activate.

How do you use Expose to drag things? Thanks!

dlefebvre has it. Basically, the demo guys were creating titles in LiveType, "Exposé-ing" to a finder window from which they grabbed the file they had saved and then dragged it over the Final Cut Pro window. Then they realized that they wanted to make some updates to the titling and they quickly Expose'-d back to Livetype, clearly using keyboard commands, made their changes, Expose'-d back to FCP and the titling had updated automatically.

Follow that?

I began to see how Expose was clearly contributing to smoothing the workflow experience in ways I haven't really tapped. As a Mac user since 1988, I guess I need to shake myself out of "Finder" habits more purposefully.

[Simon X]

Originally posted by awcopus:
Hey there, Simon.

The guy who demo'd SHAKE at my meeting prefaced his remarks (most of which flew over my head... Shake is impressive and way beyond anything I need) by sharing that he had recently completed a video editing job involving HiDef footage at Low Quality (still looks better than DV at high quality) on his 17" PowerBook (the 1.5GHz one). Food for thought. Even though your machine is 50% slower, if you're not working with HiDef, maybe your machine would be able to handle the load with the proper settings in place. You should try it before you rule it out. A number of people at the meeting were commenting on how much more responsive FCP HD feels on their portables.

For me, I edit only on my desktop, a dual 1.42 G4. The only thing keeping me from getting a dual G5 is the lack of hard drive expansion. I'm used to having 750GB online all the time inside my machine. In 2005, I will be upgrading to an XServe RAID and probably a dual G5 as well. This year, I'm happy to keep plugging along with my current setup, which handles everything I throw at it (all DVCAM).

I'm not so sure about Motion working well on a Powerbook. Whilst in London they too demoed FCP HD running hi-def on a laptop (I bet is was connected to the xRaid though) I have my doubts about Motion. It would be asking too much of Motion, and rightly so, of allowing realtime work to be carried out whilst the clip is playing, which is how they demoed it here and that was a wow, just what I've been waiting for all these years. Don't forget, you'll not only have to play the clip (which is more to do with the speed of the disks) but also composite many layers and effects (which is down to the chip).

Even Shake had to render and cache the clip before being able to play it back in realtime. Motion must be doing something clever to allow all these effects in realtime.

Anyway, we'll found out soon enough.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Simon X:
I'm not so sure about Motion working well on a Powerbook. Whilst in London they too demoed FCP HD running hi-def on a laptop (I bet is was connected to the xRaid though) I have my doubts about Motion. It would be asking too much of Motion, and rightly so, of allowing realtime work to be carried out whilst the clip is playing, which is how they demoed it here and that was a wow, just what I've been waiting for all these years. Don't forget, you'll not only have to play the clip (which is more to do with the speed of the disks) but also composite many layers and effects (which is down to the chip).

Even Shake had to render and cache the clip before being able to play it back in realtime. Motion must be doing something clever to allow all these effects in realtime.

Anyway, we'll found out soon enough.

My understanding of the "clever" thing they're doing is essentially taking FULL advantage of the GPU, liberating as much of the processing as possible from the CPU.

[Axo1ot1]

So what's the ballpark release date?

[Simon X]

Originally posted by awcopus:
My understanding of the "clever" thing they're doing is essentially taking FULL advantage of the GPU, liberating as much of the processing as possible from the CPU.

Ah yes, I think you're right. Hence the high spec for the graphics card.