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Recommend a book/site for Quark tips?
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Aug 8, 2005, 02:34 PM
 
Hi,


I'm not a fan of Quark at all but I'll be using it as my primary page layout program for a large project.

I'm very familiar with InDesign so I was hoping the nuances would be similar. Unfortunately, they're not....

Can anyone recommend a book or site offering tips for Quark? There are several out there but I'd like recommendations so I don't waste my money.

thanks!
     
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Aug 9, 2005, 12:05 PM
 
Lynda.com offers a number of online tutorials for $25/month which you can quit at anytime.

Go to www.lynda.com and navigate via the drop down menu bar to the Quark tutorials.
There are a couple of preview lessons you can check out.
     
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Aug 9, 2005, 12:15 PM
 
Here's a tip. Don't use it if you can help it?

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Bump: Lynda.com is the way to go. Great things there.
     
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Aug 9, 2005, 01:02 PM
 
www.prepressforums.com and www.printplanet.com if you have specific problems or questions. You could even try the forums on Quark's site as a last resort.
     
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Aug 17, 2005, 09:21 PM
 
That's so funny. I am a Quark person (used it for prepress, magazine publishing), and I now have to learn InDesign (teaching it). I hate it! It's so clunky to me compared to Quark. I have heard, and originally though, ID was going to replace Quark. But to be honest, all the DTP places using Quark are not going to want to go to ID. Much to clunky. Tell me, how can you scroll the screen while zoomed in on text (while doing on-screen corrections with an editior) - the space bar gives you spaces. (?) OK, yea, use Quarks KB shortcuts.
And Quarks picture box is so simple, why is it so F'd up in ID. There is no need to see the size of the image outside the picture box. All those lines everywhere, WTF.

Not here to flame (I know everyone hates Quark, funny how I never came across it Freelancing thru Aqquent), also don't want to take away from the original posters Q, so this is mainly rhetorical. Just found it weird how I am going in the opposite direction.

I have a little sheet of Qquark tips I made for when I taught it, it's in my parents basement, will get and post it here tomorrow to make up for my little rant

Regards,
TG
     
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Aug 18, 2005, 04:35 PM
 
OK, I grabbed the CD that had the Quark tips I had made a few years ago when I was teaching it. Hope these help some. Print them out and use them as you are working. If you have questions, feel free to post them.


Tool palette basics:
The first tool in the top of the tool palette is the selection tool, for selecting and moving text and picture boxes.
The second tool, the hand tool, is used for typing text in a box or for moving a picture in it’s box.
The A box is for creating a text box
The box with the x is for creating a picture box (there are special picture box tools below it).
Line tools are for drawing lines
And the chain tools are for connecting 2 text boxes so the text flows form one to the other.

Note if in your document you don’t see a certain palette, you can go to view > show that palette.

Essential Keyboard Tips for QuarkXPress:
(You’ll use these first few a lot)...
- Holding option down while moving the mouse manually scrolls your page.
- F7 key (hides/shows guides)
- Command 0 fits doc to window
- F5 (brings selected itme to front, shift F5 sends to back)
- Command clicking on a color in the color palette opens the color palette options
- To select a box (text or picture box) that is directly underneath another box (or even underneath 2 boxes) hold Command Option Shift and click the first box, then click again and the box underneath is now selected.

Something to note also: When a box is selected, Command T brings up it’s “runaround” options (you mostly want runaround set to “none” unless you want type to runaround a specific picture, otherwise it makes type boxes underneath not display their type properly when you move a picture box over it, as you will see).

Images:
Command E is “import picture”
Command Shift F will make the picture fill its box
(Command Shift Option F does the same, but maintains the picture’s proportions)
Command Shift Option Period increases the pictures size in increments of 5%
(note, you can also change the size of a picture by selecting it with the hand tool then in the measurements palette (the horizontal palette along the bottom) type in a desired % next to the X and Y)
Command Shift Option Comma decreases the pictures size in increments of 5%
Command Shift M centers the picture in its box

Type Size:
Command Shift Option Period increases the fonts size in increments of 1pt
Command Shift Option Comma decreases the fonts size in increments of 1pt
(just Command Shift does it in much larger increments)

Type Leading:
Command Shift Quote increases the highlighted paragraph’s leading in increments of 1pt
Command Shift Semicolon decreases the highlighted paragraph’s leading in increments of 1pt

Type Tracking:
Same as above, but with the bracket keys.

- Command Shift T shows the tabs (tabs can be set for a single line, paragraph or entire text box, whatever is highlighted when you hit command T)

- Command Shift F shows paragraph formats

- Hitting Command Shift Z - the next key you type will be a Zapf Dingbat (this is a quick way to get a speacial character without having to change the font to “Zapf Dingbat”).

Also, double clicking on a box with the selection tool selected will bring up a few of the box’s options (Ie you can make a text box several columns etc.).
Also note that margin guides (the blue lines on the doc) are created when opening a “new doc” but can be changed by double clicking on the master page, then go up to Page > Master Guides.
Other guides (green lines) can be dragged out from the ruler with the selection tool, at any time and put back the same way.
     
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Aug 18, 2005, 10:41 PM
 
I'm not good at learning apps with books. For some reason I'm better with baptism by fire. I know, I'm odd.

If I were you I'd look into Lynda.com as Westbo suggested. I've heard they do a nifty job.

Other than that I'd offer this forum as a good place for posting questions. Some of use see Quark from a designer / art director perspective and others through the eyes of a pre-press pro. Between us you'll have a fine jury to consult.


Finally, as bkelly said, I'd steer away from the Q forums. Too many trolls there for my taste. That said it's a good look-up resource, just be careful if you ask questions -- it's a rabid audience.

Can you describe the project you'll be working on? Maybe some folks can get you started in the right direction. Also, what's your role?
     
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Aug 21, 2005, 04:55 PM
 
You can set up ID's shortdcut keys to be identical to Quark's. Personally, I'd use Quark over ID since I have no Postscript issues with Quark (drop shadows and psd's in ID for a start) and I'd rather do paths etc in Photoshop and Illustrator stuff in Illustrator. Horses for courses of course...
     
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Aug 23, 2005, 12:41 PM
 
After 11 years of Quark, the past year adapting to ID has been a little tricky... and I don't use ID as often with my clients, so my skills are still simplistic... but I will say this, anyone first entering design falls right into ID pretty easily... it has a lot of easier-than-quark stuff... it also helps if you are fluent in manuevering through Illustrator & Photoshop... similar controls...
     
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Aug 30, 2005, 11:13 AM
 
Thank you for the tips, tgags. Very helpful.

The stage of the project now involves importing images and flowing in text. The text documents I receive are in Word format with the correct spacing. However, when I import the text into Quark, the spacing becomes very uniform and loses the original format completely. For example, if the document is single spaced with a double space between paragraphs, it will be completely double spaced after imported into Quark.

I'm familiar with Style Sheets but I must be doing something wrong... The style sheets that I've created don't seem to have any effect on the spacing problem the text inherits when imported.

Any ideas? I really appreciate the insight.
     
   
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