[GoldFISH_no641]

Waiting til they update the 20d or name a successor with similar quality and price.

When, When! WHEN!?

[nbnz]

I assume you're talking about the Canon 20D DSLR?
If so, maybe the dpreview.com forums would be a better bet.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1019

[nica]

The Canon D5
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

[vcutag]

Originally Posted by nica

The Canon D5
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos5d/

...is an entirely different class of camera than the 20D. It's marketed as a digital equivalent to the 3-series film body, and has an entirely different feel and set of features.

[art_director]

Yeah, the D5 is positoned against the Nikon D70 – the prosumer market.

The 20D isn't that old. Doubt an upgrade will come along soon.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by art_director

Yeah, the D5 is positoned against the Nikon D70 – the prosumer market.

The 20D isn't that old. Doubt an upgrade will come along soon.

Err, no. The D70 is positioned against the EOS 350D. The 20D positioned against the D100/future D200. The D5 is a category that Nikon doesn't have. And after that you have the big boys: D2 and 1D.

And as for the original poster: don't count on a new 20D anytime soon. Another thing I don't like about digital photography: people only buy cameras based on their specs while they can't even take a decent picture themselves.

[art_director]

The D5 is a prosumer product. The D70 is a prosumer product.

The 20D is for the professional photographer. According to West Photo in Minneapolis, until the D5 came along Canon had nothing directly in line with the D70.

FWIW, West Photo is the hometown camera store of choice for these photographers:

http://www.jimbrandenburg.com

http://www.richardhamiltonsmith.com/

http://www.forsmanphoto.com/

http://www.curtisjohnsonphoto.com/

http://www.jimarndtphotography.com/main.html

http://tomconnors.com/

http://www.ripsaw.net/

http://www.lafavor.com/

http://www.sheehanphoto.com

http://www.ejoel.com/

http://www.foxstudio.com/

http://www.joellarson.com/

http://www.kendallphotographs.com/

[Goldfinger]

I'm sorry but the 5D is a full frame camera with more/better features than the 20D. Things like a spot lightmeter (incredible that the 20D doesn't have this!), interchangeble viewfinder glass, better autofocus smaller ISO stop increments (0.3) etc. The 5D slots in between the 1D and 20D (Canon's press release even says this). The 350D is Canon's answer to the D70 and NOT the 20D, the 20D is in the same class as the D100 (which will soon be replaced). The 20D certainly isn't a pro camera. The guys at west photo have it completely wrong. Sure the 20D can be used by certain pros but it isn't a pro camera in a classic sense of the word.

The 5D looks interesting since it's full frame but the price is absolutely ridiculous ($3300) and well it's a Canon... (I'm a Nikon person). I really wish Nikon made full frame cameras, this small frame cameras are just lame. I'm not switching to digital anytime soon. My F5 and film scanner are better than most digital cams anyway.

[art_director]

You know what, you're right. The 20D is not a professional camera. I'll contact Jim Brandenburg, the National Geographic photographer from Minneapolis cited in my earlier post, and let him know he's using the wrong equipment.

Bummer is that Cannon gives Brandbenburg all his equipment – glass included – so it's their mistake.

Thank god we were here to save National Geographic the humiliation.

[art_director]

Two more professional photographers who shoot with the 20D:

http://www.jonathanchapman.com/ -- commercial

http://www.terrygydesen.com/ -- editorial / commercial

[art_director]

Goldfinger:

Funny thing, a few of the shooters listed above actually shoot ads for Nikon. One of them, who shall remain nameless, has told me on numerous occasions, that he dislikes Nikon cameras – calls them crap. BUT he does say they make the best glass on the market. Mind you, this is just one persons opinion – not my own. Just sharing the thoughts of someone who shoots for Nikon.

Me? I'm a D70 guy – no need for me to buy anything more.

[vcutag]

Originally Posted by art_director

You know what, you're right. The 20D is not a professional camera. I'll contact Jim Brandenburg, the National Geographic photographer from Minneapolis cited in my earlier post, and let him know he's using the wrong equipment.

Bummer is that Cannon gives Brandbenburg all his equipment – glass included – so it's their mistake.

Thank god we were here to save National Geographic the humiliation.

Who said the 20D isn't a pro camera? Most sports shooters I know love the 20D; it's a mainstay at my old paper.

My original point was that the 20D and 5D cater to very different crowds. The 20D has a faster shutter speed (and the 1.6x crop factor), making it better for sports. The 5D doesn't have the crop factor, so a wide-angle lens stays wide-angle; plus the full frame gives you larger prints, making it better for studio/landscape work.

Then there's the price. Nobody in the market for a 20D successor would buy a 5D to fill that niche.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by art_director

You know what, you're right. The 20D is not a professional camera. I'll contact Jim Brandenburg, the National Geographic photographer from Minneapolis cited in my earlier post, and let him know he's using the wrong equipment.

Bummer is that Cannon gives Brandbenburg all his equipment – glass included – so it's their mistake.

Thank god we were here to save National Geographic the humiliation.

There is no need to get al worked up. My point is that the 20D isn't a pro camera in the classic sense of the word. That doesn't mean that there aren't any pros who use it. Heck, there are pro's who work with an F60. The 20D isn't in the pro "category", it's a prosumer. The 5D is the little brother of the 1D, a backup camera for the pro. It's a marketing thing.
The feature set of the 20D is not a Pro camera feature set. The equipment has nothing to do with who you are and what kind of pics you take.

As a pro myself I'm not judging anyone by his or her equipment because it obviously doens't matter jack **** what you use.

But back to my original point: the 5D is positioned above the 20D, hence the ridiculous pricetag.

Originally Posted by art_director

Funny thing, a few of the shooters listed above actually shoot ads for Nikon. One of them, who shall remain nameless, has told me on numerous occasions, that he dislikes Nikon cameras – calls them crap. BUT he does say they make the best glass on the market. Mind you, this is just one persons opinion – not my own. Just sharing the thoughts of someone who shoots for Nikon.

Me? I'm a D70 guy – no need for me to buy anything more.

I guess it boils down to preference, I don't really care for Canons since I have a serious investment in Nikon glass and I don't really like the Canon cameras anyway (handling). I'm absolutely behind his opinion on Nikkors, it IS the best there is. I never liked Canon glass, too yellowish. And their cameras used to have sucky lightmeters. I AM jealous of the full frame cameras tough.

For me digital cameras are still waaaay to expensive for what you get. So I'm not investing in them for the coming years. Big reason being that ridiculous crop factor thing, and as said I can't switch to Canon because of my glass collection.

[deermatt]

hmm, ill chime in under 1 condition , stop calling it a D5! its a 5D! haha , anway, the 20d and 5D are in 2 completely different markets.

Nikon is good for some stuff, the d70 is not a bad camera, and they make good glass and decent flashes, but i dont think their bodies can compete with canons upper bodies .

Nothing will replace the 20d anytime soon, its relatively new, if you want something better, look into a 1d (if you wanna shoot faster, bigger image sensor, not necessarally better image quality though) or get the 1d mk2 , an amazing camera .

The 5D has its flaws like spot metering, i would rather have a 1d mk2, i like the bigger bodies, easier to hold and hold still , because its easier to hold a camera with weight still better.

[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by deermatt

The 5D has its flaws like spot metering, i would rather have a 1d mk2, i like the bigger bodies, easier to hold and hold still , because its easier to hold a camera with weight still better.

The 5D has spot metering. The 20D doesn't.

[rslifka]

Originally Posted by art_director

You know what, you're right. The 20D is not a professional camera. I'll contact Jim Brandenburg, the National Geographic photographer from Minneapolis cited in my earlier post, and let him know he's using the wrong equipment.

Bummer is that Cannon gives Brandbenburg all his equipment – glass included – so it's their mistake.

Thank god we were here to save National Geographic the humiliation.

Hahahahah

I didn't realize he shot Canon. During the PBS broadcast (August I believe) of a story on Brandenburg and "Chasing the Light" he was shooting all Nikon.

I'm a D70 guy as well. This camera will last me forever... but when it eventually gives out, I hope the D200 is available

Rob

[art_director]

Originally Posted by rslifka

Hahahahah

I didn't realize he shot Canon. During the PBS broadcast (August I believe) of a story on Brandenburg and "Chasing the Light" he was shooting all Nikon.

I'm a D70 guy as well. This camera will last me forever... but when it eventually gives out, I hope the D200 is available

Rob

From what they say at W, he's been with Canon recently. I had always thought of him as a Nikon guy – whyIdonotknow.

The D70 is a spiffy camera. I'm no pro, that's for certain, but I do love to shoot. The D70 is the perfect camera for my wants / needs.

I should add that I was on the fence about the D70 vs. 20D. That Canon is a really nice piece. I actually like the interface ( read : scroll wheel ) better than the D70.