[art_director]

I have no proof that Quark 7 Beta was the culprit but I'm starting to have files go corrupt on me. This began after installing the beta and Quark changed the icons for the files to 7 from 6.

Be warned that Quark, the company, has caused such nonsense in the past with their betas.

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Fook why did I install that piece of shiit

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[Westbo]

Originally Posted by art_director

I have no proof that Quark 7 Beta was the culprit but I'm starting to have files go corrupt on me. This began after installing the beta and Quark changed the icons for the files to 7 from 6.

Be warned that Quark, the company, has caused such nonsense in the past with their betas.

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Fook why did I install that piece of shiit

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Haven't had any corrupt files yet, A-D. Sorry to hear you are going thru this s***!

However, I've experienced the following:

1. MyriadMM postscript fonts do not work in Q7 as they do in Q6.
2. Docs "exported back to Q6 then opened in Q6 will prompt "QX6 RGB and CMYK profiles are missing" warning. When the exported to Q6 doc is copied and pasted in a new QX6 doc, then saved and opened, missing profiles warning ceases.
3. EPS images disappear in exported to Q6 docs.

W2

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Westbo

Haven't had any corrupt files yet, A-D. Sorry to hear you are going thru this s***!

However, I've experienced the following:

1. MyriadMM postscript fonts do not work in Q7 as they do in Q6.
2. Docs "exported back to Q6 then opened in Q6 will prompt "QX6 RGB and CMYK profiles are missing" warning. When the exported to Q6 doc is copied and pasted in a new QX6 doc, then saved and opened, missing profiles warning ceases.
3. EPS images disappear in exported to Q6 docs.

W2

Again, I'm not saying that Quark was the culprit but the symptoms arrived with the beta.

Just now I fired up the beta and went to open a document created in QX 6.5. That action crahsed the beta. That brought up a crash report request to send to Quark. Funny thing is that requires you to open an email and physically attach and email the report to Quark. I've never seen such a sloppy way to get feedback from users.

[godzookie2k]

I think omni used to do that kind of crappy crash reporting too. Its horror stories like this which make me happy I put print behind me, though flash is the new quark.

[bluedog]

Originally Posted by art_director

Again, I'm not saying that Quark was the culprit but the symptoms arrived with the beta.

Just now I fired up the beta and went to open a document created in QX 6.5. That action crahsed the beta. That brought up a crash report request to send to Quark. Funny thing is that requires you to open an email and physically attach and email the report to Quark. I've never seen such a sloppy way to get feedback from users.

"QUARK, the new sloppy" (sm)

What a great tagline!

[art_director]

Beta removed, icons back to QX 6.5 imagery. Crash with files persists.

[godzookie2k]

Cs2?

[bluedog]

Originally Posted by godzookie2k

Cs2?

great suggestion. I've used CS2's import of Quark documents to save me the hassle of using Quark. Just have a hardcopy from your customer's output to verify everything came in OK.

InDesign has saved me time and frustration already and I don't even spend as much time in it as Illustrator.

[art_director]

I'm desperately behind the times when it comes to InDesign. Can you now import Quark documents created in QX6.5?

Thx.

[production_coordinator]

Yep, I installed it >> DUMB << and it changed my icons, but everything seems OK on this end.

I hope they clean it up before it releases.

[godzookie2k]

no I don't think you can A-D. Actually I was saying CS2 has been reported to do drive corruption on macs too, it could be related, but who knows?

[Chuckit]

I think you'll want to look elsewhere for your culprit, art_director. Since I haven't heard of it happening to anyone else, the Quark beta seems unlikely to have been the cause.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I think you'll want to look elsewhere for your culprit, art_director. Since I haven't heard of it happening to anyone else, the Quark beta seems unlikely to have been the cause.

As stated earlier I'm not saying it was absolutely Quark. I will, however, say that Quark has been know to put out half-baked betas in the past. Heck, Quark 5 in its release state was a beta of poor quality. In other words, the jury is out and the beta has left my machine. For good.

[art_director]

I now have six documents that were fine prior to the beta being installed. Still not blaming that beta but the timing of the issue is uncanny.

[zerostar]

I think I had the same problem, we have 50K+ quark 6 docs, installed 7 on one machine today 3 corrupt docs, uninstalled already. Seems like a decent upgrade (for a Quark product) I like the EPS export features, will save tons of time for me, can't wait till Quark 7.1!! woot

[godzookie2k]

Oh I wouldn't put it past this to be purely quarks fault. In fact, I'd bet on it. However ya never know.

[godzookie2k]

2xpost

[Apfhex]

No, InDesign can't open 6.5 files as far as I know, it can only open 4.x (or earlier probably).

First of all, I'd say the problem is that you're using Quark, period. But that's me just being silly and opinionative.

Second, it's a BETA so even if it's still weird, should this not be expected?

Third, I've seen 6.5 corrupt files and crash all over the place, so no problems I hear about it really surprise me.

[Chuckit]

Yeah, I have known more files to be corrupted by Quark 6 than the Quark 7 beta.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Strange that the OP did not mention *what* files are becoming corrupted. Regardless this is a beta and nobody should install it on a partition with irreplaceable data. That being said, I have not experienced any corruption of any files, before or after installing Quark 7 beta. This is the first I've heard of such an issue - which I suspect is no Quark issue.

cheers

W-Y

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Strange that the OP did not mention *what* files are becoming corrupted. Regardless this is a beta and nobody should install it on a partition with irreplaceable data. That being said, I have not experienced any corruption of any files, before or after installing Quark 7 beta. This is the first I've heard of such an issue - which I suspect is no Quark issue.

cheers

W-Y

It's a non-issue because you've never heard of it? Interesting.

The files that went corrupt were created in QX 6.5. I opened them in 6.5 then in the beta and made no changes, just checked out the new features on a live document. I then closed w/o saving and, when I attempted to reopen them in the beta they were corrupt.

You're right about the beta, especially with Quark. Heck, their final release software is usually wonky so why would I have trusted a beta? Drunk at the time I decided to download it.

[art_director]

One also must ask why all the Quark document icons switch to v.7 when they haven't been touched. That seems intrusive and questionable at best.

[ChrisF]

Originally Posted by art_director

One also must ask why all the Quark document icons switch to v.7 when they haven't been touched. That seems intrusive and questionable at best.

That has nothing to do with Quark- it's an operating system level thing. The same happens with Photoshop. If your files have the same creator/type/file extension, OS X is automatically going to associate them with the latest version.

[art_director]

ChrisF;; Thx, I was wondering about that...

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by art_director

It's a non-issue because you've never heard of it? Interesting.

The files that went corrupt were created in QX 6.5. I opened them in 6.5 then in the beta and made no changes, just checked out the new features on a live document. I then closed w/o saving and, when I attempted to reopen them in the beta they were corrupt.

You're right about the beta, especially with Quark. Heck, their final release software is usually wonky so why would I have trusted a beta? Drunk at the time I decided to download it.

Granted I don't hear everything, but I read the Quark forums and the QXP7 beta forum. No mention of this "issue". I think your culprit is something else than QXP.

Thank you for telling what files were corrupted. It makes your post so much more logical.

At the risk of repeating myself: There is nothing dangerous about the QXP 7 beta, you were either just unlucky or the fault lies with something else than QXP.

That said, a beta is a beta and of course one would never ever download and use it on anything valuable unless one was quite frankly - stupid. This is meant without any offense, but blaming a company or a beta app for one's own stupidity is hi-larious.

Even if we assume for argument sake that the QXP 7 beta corrupted your files (and no-one elses who is involved in the public beta) then complaining about it and blaming Quark makes you a special person.

cheers

W-Y

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Granted I don't hear everything, but I read the Quark forums and the QXP7 beta forum. No mention of this "issue". I think your culprit is something else than QXP.

Thank you for telling what files were corrupted. It makes your post so much more logical.

At the risk of repeating myself: There is nothing dangerous about the QXP 7 beta, you were either just unlucky or the fault lies with something else than QXP.

That said, a beta is a beta and of course one would never ever download and use it on anything valuable unless one was quite frankly - stupid. This is meant without any offense, but blaming a company or a beta app for one's own stupidity is hi-larious.

Even if we assume for argument sake that the QXP 7 beta corrupted your files (and no-one elses who is involved in the public beta) then complaining about it and blaming Quark makes you a special person.

cheers

W-Y

Hoisting my middle finger in your condescending direction.

[art_director]

Oh, and cheers!

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by art_director

Hoisting my middle finger in your condescending direction.

Hardly appropriate in any civilized discussion

Blaming programmers for your own inadequecy and insulting people who politely point to you how futile and short sighted such behavior is. My my.

After running QXP 7 and using it extensively, discovering many a bug, I have not seen any critical bug. All are cosmetic or are regarding the interface. I run the beta on a clean machine that contains no projects I can't afford to lose and one without any obvious points of possible conflict.

This is how *I* run a beta. Very carfully and if anything bad happens, I would report it to Quark and/or post it on their forums. This place is the last place to post a QXP 7 beta issue for any constructive help. I guess you're just lucky I stumbled upon your post and am participating in the beta testing.

Better luck next time!

cheers

W-Y

[art_director]

I don't waste my time with Quark's forums. In the past they've sanitized posts that do not support their positions / software.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by art_director

I don't waste my time with Quark's forums. In the past they've sanitized posts that do not support their positions / software.

Is that a fact? Looking over their forums now I can see at least two threads where someone starts by trolling.

http://www.quark.com/service/forums/...ic.php?t=11257

http://www.quark.com/service/forums/...ic.php?t=11326

i.e. I hate express etc. Nothing seems to be done about it. Indeed ever since I registered, less than two years ago, I can't recall any threads that were anti-quark or trollish in nature being locked or deleted. I found this quite surprising actually, since that is a typical policy at corporate forums.

Just try and post something negative about Apple at the Apple-support forums. It won't live through the hour.

cheers

W-Y

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Weyland-Yutani

Is that a fact? Looking over their forums now I can see at least two threads where someone starts by trolling.

http://www.quark.com/service/forums/...ic.php?t=11257

http://www.quark.com/service/forums/...ic.php?t=11326

i.e. I hate express etc. Nothing seems to be done about it. Indeed ever since I registered, less than two years ago, I can't recall any threads that were anti-quark or trollish in nature being locked or deleted. I found this quite surprising actually, since that is a typical policy at corporate forums.

Just try and post something negative about Apple at the Apple-support forums. It won't live through the hour.

cheers

W-Y

Either you work for Q or you have too much time on your hands. Regardless, I point you to my original comment on their forums: "In the past..."

Now allow me to remind you that Apple was not the subject of this thread. As you said earlier, you're welcome to start a thread on that subject.

Cheers!

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by art_director

I point you to my original comment on their forums: "In the past..."

Cheers!

In the past they may have done some editing, as is the par for such forums. This past must have been more than two years ago, before I joined them. If your knowledge of things is two years old, at the very least, then why should anyone take your word for anything regarding Quark that is supposed to be á jour?

Perhaps everything you claim about Quark is two years old or older? Probably.

cheers

W-Y

[art_director]

Yeah, that's it.

[Weyland-Yutani]

Originally Posted by art_director

Yeah, that's it.

Then I'd advise anyone to ignore your posts on Quark, since you don't know anything about the subject.

cheers

W-Y