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Basic Conversion over from Vegas Video to FCP 5.0.4 Help... things r very different.
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Jul 7, 2006, 04:18 PM
 
Ok well basically I have used Vegas Video sincce version 3.0 for quite some time. I really REALLY like it and I am used to it of course.

Now I switched to Mac because I have always pref'd Mac laptops. (My first laptop was a Powerbook 5300cs and from there I have owned almost every model up through the iBook G4 and TiBooks.)

However nothing is close to being familure in FCP.

I am used to the following and I am looking for some basic guidence on where these changes are in FCP so I can get back to playing around again.

With Vegas Video I would have a section called media files. These were all the files I was using in the current clip I was making. Some did not even get used but were there for source video mainly or if I did decided to change to an idea I had with them.

I could Flag points of interest that I felt might be a good scene to use in my video.
I could select Audio and Video or just Video (Or just Audio for that matter).
I could edit these clips at any time and it did not affect the source video it just put it into my main selection. (This is the biggest problem I have FCP does not seem to be anything like this)


In FCP I can not just select Video and the editor opens up Quicktime which does not let me flag items nor copy and paste them into my selection, it was me to open the video multiple times and edit it down to the sections I want.

I need to be able to mark parts of the video that are of interest to me, get only the video and not the audio and I need to know where the basic setup of how files layout is. I can not even seem to get the audio in my video to play all I get is a beeping noise unless I pull the slider and then I can hear it. I am not sure whats up with that.

I guess I am just not used to the program but I did not expect this much trouble from it. I expected some differences but with just some basic playing around to see where the different setups were.

I hate the idea of Quicktime being an editor. I want to open the clip with a time line andf mark sections be able to select sections in the time line then and pull them to my main project while leaving the rest and leaving the source file untouched. (Just copying the data over to my main movie).

Either I am completely missing something or this program is just not going to let me edit like I have been for so long in which case I need a program that will so suggestions there are welcome.

Thanks guys!
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Jul 8, 2006, 02:14 AM
 
uhh... wow, I do not know what you are talking about friend!

QT cannot edit by any means I am aware of.
FCP edits nondestructively

Assuming you have the UI layout in its default setting, you should have 3 windows on the top, and 1 on the bottom.

The 3 on the top are as follows:

Browser--This window lets you browse all of your assets as well as effects.
Viewer--This lets you look at a specific piece of footage or sound. This is also where the tab for animating clip properties, transition properties, and effects properties.
Canvas--This is where you view your actual edited footage--ie what is in the timeline.

The bottom window is the timeline.

This is typically how my workflow goes:
1) capture footage, or otherwise add assets to the browser.
2) organize assets in bins and whatnot.
3) drag first piece of footage to the viewer.
4) scrub trhough the source footage in the viewer, marking the in and out points of the piece of footage I want. (I do this by right clicking the mini-timeline in the viewer and selecing the option I want)
5) drag from the viewer to either a) the canvas or b) the timeline. If you drag to the canvas window, you will have several options available which will allow you to insert the new footage relative to the current playhead position in the timeline. If you drag to the timeline, a box representing the space your fottage takes up will appear, and you can place it precisely where you want.
6) repeat steps 4 and 5 for all the pieces of footage you want from the source clip currently in the viewer.
7) add effects (use sparingly) and transitions.
8) repeat steps 1-7 as footage becomes available.
9) add chapter markers in the main timeline
10) export to Compressor, encode video and sound.
11) repeat step 10 for all formates you wish to encode to
12) get video and sound assets into DVDSP
13) build DVD menu structure
14) burn DVD

Some important things to note--
-When you drag source footage to the viewer, you cannot destroy source footage. However, when you drag a block of footage from the timeline to the viewer, changes you make to the in/out points as well as clip properties will apply to that block, even though the entire source footage will be available in the viewer.
-By default, FCP links video and audio bloks to ensure synchronization. To toggle this, press "shift+L," or click the "linked selection" button in the upper-right hand corner of the timeline window.
-You can enable or disable snapping by pressing "n," or clicking the "snapping" button in the upper-right hand corner of the timeline.
-To add markers, go to the mark menu and you will have many options available to you. Note that the Canvas's mini timeline also represents the actual timeline, while the viewer timeline represents the timeline of the source footage it is viewing. If the Viwer has focus when you mark, you will mark the source footage it is viewing (this is nondestructive). If the timeline or Canvas has focus, you will mark in your edited footage. You can use the " ` " key to add markers as well, and there is a button to do this in the Canvas window.
-Chapter Markers should be added in FCP. If they are added in DVDSP, they can only fall at the start of a new GOP. If you have markers in place before hand, Compressor will ensure that a new GOP starts wherever you put your markers.
-To zoom in, drag the size of the scrollbar at the bottom of the timeline, or use the slider immediately to the left of this scrollbar. I find the behavior of this method somewhat annoying at times, but it works.
-Interpolation is always linear, so animation where nonlinear interpolation is necessary is difficult.
-Vegas uses a velocity envelope to retime. I find this to be superior to FCP's retime function, which is a function of time/frame (ie, the velocity curve Vegas uses would be the first derivative of the time/frame curve FCP uses) In any case, both retiming and animation are much better left to a composting package, such as Shake or Combusion. Motion is OK, but not quite there yet, IMO.
-It may be a good idea to activate the safe zones overlay in the Canvas.
-At any point in my workflow, footage may be exported into Combusion, composited, and put back into FCP.
-At any point in my workflow, I may zoom in on the timeline and perform precise edits not possible with the Viewer. This becomes especially true if the source footage being viewed in the viewer is very long, such that movements of the playhead in the viewer's mini timeline are very general and not precise. In such edits, I often use the tools such as rolling edit and knife. These are essential to good editing in FCP, IMO.
-Final Cut Studio comes with 20lbs worth of instruction manuals. FCP alone is like.. 4 volumes. You have them in PDF form, and they are quite useful.

Having used both Vegas and FCP, I think that FCP is a far superior program for purposes of editing. The workflow is much more streamlined and fast. Vegas, however, does have its strengths. For example, the aforementioned retiming funcion in Vegas is easier to use than that in FCP. Also, compositing in general is much easier in Vegas. FCP's chromakeying algorithm is superior I think, but the way compositing works in Vegas is nicer IMO.

I think that once you get a feel for the tools in FCP, you will be much more comfortable with it.

hope I could help,
-loki
(Last edited by loki74; Jul 16, 2006 at 03:35 PM. )

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Jul 16, 2006, 09:47 AM
 
I think Loki got everything covered

But I'm not sure why you think you need to edit clips in Quicktime when working in FCP? Sounds like what you want is to make subclips from your captures. This is a straightforward way of marking up sections of a longer clip to use as if they are separate clips.

There isn't an easy way of making a subclip video-only from a video-audio source (that I know of). I usually keep a pair of audio tracks turned off so that I can drag video clips onto the timeline whilst keeping the audio silent. Alternatively you can drag the clip on and then delete its audio tracks manually.
     
   
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