Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

You are here: MacNN Forums > Other Topics > Art & Graphic Design > Corporate Identity Manual Question(s)

Corporate Identity Manual Question(s)
Thread Tools
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In the South
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 21, 2007, 01:57 PM
 
Should it be single sided or double-sided?
What's the most common way to bind?

Let's say I go 3 ring... and do tabs. Does the tab come before the first page of that section ?

I'm sure I'll have more- though it is due tomorrow (class).
These are just nitpicky things.
(Last edited by KeriVit; Aug 21, 2007 at 02:24 PM. )
     
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 21, 2007, 04:24 PM
 
Double-sided pages are fine.
For the binding, it's really up to you. I've seen these things done all sorts of ways. The small 3-ring binder is a nice, corporate way to go. I'd definitely do the section tabs as separate pages (probably in a heavier stock) and, yes, the tabs should come before the first page of the section.

Ultimately, though, there are no real "rules" about these things. Just do it in a way that won't confuse non-creatives who might have to use the manual. Always keep your end-user in mind.

Illustration/Design/Graphics
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In the South
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 22, 2007, 03:26 PM
 
Nice advice about the end user. Thus, one thing I made sure of was to use tabs to break it down. I found a lot that did not and it was a bit awkward.

My thought also is that a 3 ring binder is easily "changeable" vs reprinting the manual every time one little thing changes.

Now gridding out the logo and sizes... boy was that dreadfully painful.
     
Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Indiana
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 22, 2007, 03:42 PM
 
Yeah...corporate manuals are labor-intensive work. Mostly because you have to sit down and actually codify and set-in-stone the stuff you've been doing as second nature.

The real pain comes when, after putting the thing together, you watch as every sales rep, VP, and secretary in the company totally ignores the manual and slaps stuff together on their own, for their own "special projects".

Illustration/Design/Graphics
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In the South
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 22, 2007, 04:01 PM
 
So true my friend...
     
Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Inside 128
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 22, 2007, 07:39 PM
 
Originally Posted by Thorzdad View Post
The real pain comes when, after putting the thing together, you watch as every sales rep, VP, and secretary in the company totally ignores the manual and slaps stuff together on their own, for their own "special projects".
"we can't use that letterhead/envelope/label, because word/our archaic mailmerge software/jane from membership can't adjust the margins, so please redesign letterhead just for our dept."

then, after mailing whole company both pdf and link to online guide, there is the
inevitable horrendous violation spotted, to which the reply is: I didn't know we had guidelines!!!!!
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: In the South
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 22, 2007, 08:12 PM
 
It's funny, when I was a designer at a printing company, several of our clients would ask for design jobs that they just didn't have time for. Or to set up templates for stationery, etc. When they provided manuals, I followed it like a Bible. Other times, I would design something- an identity and give them guidelines. They ignored them and wondered why it looked like crap later.

This is the first Manual I have done start to finish (meaning logo, stationery, 5 other pieces, etc.) but mostly I mean the MAnual. I'm looking at it sweating my arse off to get everything spelled out as accurately as possible. The whole time, I'm thinking, "no one's even gonna look at this."

Sucks.
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 23, 2007, 11:35 AM
 
Such manuals should always be viewed as work in progress. There will be issues / instances that you would never have accounted for. Also, as time goes on, brands evolve. For these reasons 3-ring binders are ALWAYS the best bet. That way, when content is updated, users can toss the old and drop in the new sections without incurring the costs associated with a nuke and pave approach.

To get a better idea of how these documents are often built try using the Google to search for 'graphic standards,' 'logo standards' and other such terms. Many a corporation foolishly leaves them openly posted on their sites. You can download, analyze and learn from seeing what others have done.
     
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Nov 2006
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 25, 2007, 08:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by art_director View Post
[…] Many a corporation foolishly leaves [graphic standards] openly posted on their sites. You can download, analyze and learn from seeing what others have done.
Why “foolishly”? If the identity manual isn’t made available, how can designers or production artists be expected to follow its guidelines?
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 25, 2007, 08:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Odysseus View Post
Why “foolishly”? If the identity manual isn’t made available, how can designers or production artists be expected to follow its guidelines?
Simple answer: brand management. Such internal documents should always be kept on password-protected directories. There are several reasons for this. I won't burden the forum with the rationale.
     
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 25, 2007, 10:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by art_director View Post
Simple answer: brand management. Such internal documents should always be kept on password-protected directories. There are several reasons for this. I won't burden the forum with the rationale.
Well, I'd like to clarify for the person questioning this. The idea is the guidelines should be available internally for EVERYONE to apply to the documents and materials they create. But it SHOULDN'T be available to ANYONE outside the company other than vendors who need access such as outside marketing or design services. Password protection should be for the EXTERNAL access.

Unless I'm mistaken and art_director is saying guard these guidelines like the crown jewels and don't show it to anyone.
     
Professional Poster
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Minneapolis, MN U.S.A.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Aug 25, 2007, 10:55 PM
 
Well said, thank you.
     
   
Thread Tools
Forum Links
Forum Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Top
Privacy Policy
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:23 AM.
All contents of these forums © 1995-2009 MacNN. All rights reserved.
Branding + Design: www.gesamtbild.com
vBulletin v.3.8.4 © 2000-2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2