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11011001 · May 11, 2002, 04:51 AM

K, here is the thing, got this logo I want to make for my game company (me and a couple of guys occasionally getting together to make a little game).

We call ourselves Darkstorm Entertainment. Now it would be really cool to do an intro to the game with this violent storm abrewing, and lightening and all that. In Cinema 4D. Any ideas??? Particle effects??? that is going to take forever to render I think. Besides, how would you go about placing emitters and all that crap such that you get a cloud sort of thing??? lots of turbulence I guess, and attractors, and friction, and rotating thingies, and wind???

Anyone done this before?

tomra · May 11, 2002, 02:33 PM

Hi.

Never done this, but it sounds like have to dive into some serious compositing in After Effects. Even with a very "heavy" particle setup i doubt you`re gonna get there using a single renderpass.

How long does the shot need to be?
How much detail and what "look" are you going for ( photo realistic )?

Tom

bluedog · May 11, 2002, 04:40 PM

While I don't have the 3d experience for a great answer. The suggestion to do it in render passes and composite them in AfterEffects or another compositing app is a very good one. I suggest you post your question to a more '3d-centric' site.

Try the forums at www.dvgarage.com which are primarily using EI Universe, but would have good suggestions for you.

tomra · May 11, 2002, 04:50 PM

Hi.

dvGarage is an excellent idea and for more cinema specific questions you might also want to try the cinema board at www.postforum.com which also sees a lot of user traffic....

Tom.

11011001 · May 11, 2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by tomra:
<STRONG>Hi.

Never done this, but it sounds like have to dive into some serious compositing in After Effects. Even with a very "heavy" particle setup i doubt you`re gonna get there using a single renderpass.

How long does the shot need to be?
How much detail and what "look" are you going for ( photo realistic )?

Tom</STRONG>

Between 15 and 25 seconds. A very long time if I am doing particle effects.

Yes, it should be rather photorealistic. Here is a link to an old webpage of ours that I never deleted, we have a new one that we haven't uploaded yet, because we are not ready to go public. Please don't laugh at it, it is really badly done, it was just a place for me to kind of show them some ideas, I don't use it anymore. But you can see the logo on it, and what I am imagining the storm to be like.

Dark Storm Entertainment

[ 05-11-2002: Message edited by: 11011001 ]

tomra · May 12, 2002, 08:37 AM

Hi.

Yeah, i see what you are going for.
Don`t know how to do it, but i would guess one solution would be getting real footage of clouds building up in warm summerdays...then use layered pieces of that in after effects using some kind of "fast forward" technique to get the clouds to evolve fast enough for the desired "violent storm" look.....

Really....i would give it a try on dvGarage`s forums....

Tom.

Griggsy · May 12, 2002, 09:50 AM

Quickest and easiest method is to real footage comp in After Fx, even with a professional effects house, this wouldn't be an easy shot.

Maybe I'm old skool but the best method I ever saw to create menacing clouds is the old filmic method whereby get footage, dye was poured into a pool and filmed with a high speed camera (perhaps no longer necessary if you process the footage at a framerate of your choice into After FX).

Yet another suggestion, and defineteley the most messy (and therefore fun), but I would avoid going down the 3d route unless your a particle master!!

jholmes · May 13, 2002, 01:41 PM

I believe there are some pretty good stock video clips out there of storms brewing. I don't know if its the Jerry Bruckhiemer logo opening you're after or not but with a few tweaks in AfterEffects you could probably get there.

I think millimeter.com has a listing of stock footage houses.

11011001 · May 13, 2002, 08:46 PM

Ever seen the movie thingy for that movie company, the one with the camera zooming down the road, with this tree as the destination, then lightening hits it?

Well kinda like that, but I want that big black cloud/storm thingy over some trees, and no road, maybe a path. I found the perfect groove of trees to use in a place by my house.

I posted on postforum.com's Cinema 4D forum... wow, those guys were helpful, seriously. They sugested PyroCluster, which I have, I messed with it, and I am getting some really great effects. So I think I may combine this with stock footage, and some footage I will take of this grove of trees.

Any other ideas would be swell, and thx for all the ideas so far. I really had no idea where to start with this.