[MrHappyMonkey]

What is the main reason that most graphic designers use the mac platform versus the PC? I too have been bitten by the mac "bug" and really am looking to try to move my graphic design work over to Mac.

[Mac Zealot]

They are so inspiring!!!

[l008com]

Mouse movement is so much more accurate on a mac. Movement is smoother and drawing detailed things is much easier. Plus, their just plain better. Task bar! Pssssshhhhht. How about something really useful, like a dock.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by l008com:
<STRONG>Mouse movement is so much more accurate on a mac. Movement is smoother and drawing detailed things is much easier. Plus, their just plain better. Task bar! Pssssshhhhht. How about something really useful, like a dock.</STRONG>

True in OS9 - not so in OSX.

Mousing is HORRIBLE.

I'd use Windows any day over OSX just due to the mousing.

After installing USB Overdrive, it's much better.

[Hornet]

Well, if you're buying the high end (ie you have really deep pockets and should consider donating money to charity to ease your conscience ) then the macs are Snappier(TM) than PC's, however this is becoming less of a point as AMD speeds up, and intel falls behind (even if they have a lot higher mhz)

I'd say because of the OS, and the workflow. For me, a mac is just quicker to do what I want, due to its OS. Getting around it is quicker, things just *work* more often than windows, and if its something I don't know how to do, you can bet I'll figure it out first time through (unlike windows, urgh, and I do use windows a lot, its a pain).

[kulverse]

You should post this in the graphic design forum here. They are helpful with this kinda stuff.

Macs over PC's isn't because of overall speed. Those fast PCs are simply faster. Which is great if your using M$ Word or one of the 7000 accounting apps they have for PC. I do know that working with Adobe products however, especially Illustrator, that they run better on my Macs over the 1.4 ghz Athlon I sometimes get forced to use (converting icky CorelDRAW files to illustrator.). The interface, even on OS X, is more of a pleasure to work with than Windows. And...the biggie....
...Color accuracy. I'm sure this is the main reason... I've had my , so called color calibrated PC show a maroon colored image on screen, print as hot pink! LOL. Thank god for PMS colors. Greens and blues are a nightmare to work with on my PC. My Macs have no problem with this. ColorSync and a good CRT are a great thing. What i see on screen is what gets printed on press. Macs use a lighter gamma to i think. Things typically look darker then they should when designing on a PC

Web design and interface design is a different story all together. I worked for a software company, designing interfaces for Mac/PC hybrid apps, and all the usual other stuff, and we constantly had to bring stuff to the PC's (to make sure the colors were OK) before giving graphics to programming. Usually everything was fine between the 2, but some adjustments had to be made.

[ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: kulverse ]

[zilmer]

Originally posted by kulverse:
<STRONG>Web design and interface design is a different story all together. I worked for a software company, designing interfaces for Mac/PC hybrid apps, and all the usual other stuff, and we constantly had to bring stuff to the PC's (to make sure the colors were OK) before giving graphics to programming. Usually everything was fine between the 2, but some adjustments had to be made.

[ 05-12-2002: Message edited by: kulverse ]</STRONG>

hey, there are some pretty neat and accurate tools to switch between PC and Mac gammas on your Mac, so I see no need to bring graphics to the PC for color testing when doing a web/interface design. i've created several websites on a Mac using Gamma Toggle and they've all worked out just fine with clients PCs...

[kulverse]

Originally posted by zilmer:
<STRONG>

hey, there are some pretty neat and accurate tools to switch between PC and Mac gammas on your Mac, so I see no need to bring graphics to the PC for color testing when doing a web/interface design. i've created several websites on a Mac using Gamma Toggle and they've all worked out just fine with clients PCs...</STRONG>

Roger that. I just started using an app called XProof that does a great job at that. At the time though, we had no time to search for fun utilities like that. We were doing the "lets create an entire cross-platform application in 6 months" thing.

[Scotttheking]

This is more suited for the graphics design forum.
Transferring.

[Griggsy]

The GUI (whether 9 or X) is quicer straight out of the box, especially with photoshop, other than that the stabilty and to be honest I prefer doing web on a mac, cos if it works on a mac it'll pretty much work on anything!!

[KaptainKaya]

1) Stability
2)Individuality
3)Inspiration
4)They're just damn cool to look at

[jholmes]

A lot of it has to do with history. When Apple, Adobe and Aldus came out with the Page Layout program (Pagemaker), the Laserwriter and PostScript they invented desktop publishing. At the time I believe that the closest thing on the DOS (wasn't Windows yet) side was Wordstar, a kludgey word processor. The Mac system was light years ahead and blew it away.
Then Linotronic developed a PostScript RIP for their typesetting equipment and the Mac could generate a camera ready page of copy, art and photos all ready to go to press. All this on a Mac set up that cost about 10 grand at the time instead of the $90,000 for a typesetting system. And it was all WYSIWYG and most typesetters weren't. Graphic designers jumped on it and most typesetters have gone the way of buggy whips.

Almost 20 years later the software is now all available for the PC but Macs are still much easier to learn and this is always an advantage for we right-brainers. PostScript also seems to be a much more Mac friendly language for printers and RIPs. But today it all boils down to the fact that most service bureaus who do the actual output work for printing and graphics have a sizable investment in Mac equipment, trained personnel and infrastructure. They don't want to change something that works and so their customers (us) don't change either. That and we like being artsy Mac geeks.

If you are working on web based stuff there's very little you can do on a Mac (I'd say nothing) that you can't do today on a PC. Plus, PCs have a 96 dpi screen rez vs the Mac's more coarse 72 dpi.

[Too Much Coffee Woman]

The mac OS is more conducive to working with many files at a time and switching from program to program.

It makes professional graphic creation more simple and intuitive.

[Theodour]

Before OS X, windows was visually faster, easier to work with multiple apps and docs simultaneously (better organization and threading and stuff), and had faster networking.

Macs had better mousing, were easy to fix and tinker with, and had better behind-the-scenes speed, better looking GUI, and best of all, a fun, interactive and very passionate user community.

With OS X, I still think windows has the edge with organizing multiple documents (not threading though)--but the networking thing is fixed (working off a network feels like working off a disk). However, now it is no longer so simple to fix and tinker with.

It still has the thing that brought me here to begin with: better looking GUI, and a more playful user community.

[KaptainKaya]

About the 72DPI vs 96DPI...isn't 72DPI considered true WYSIWYG? I think that has something to do with graphics professionals choosing the mac as well.

[MikeM32]

Originally posted by KaptainKaya:
About the 72DPI vs 96DPI...isn't 72DPI considered true WYSIWYG? I think that has something to do with graphics professionals choosing the mac as well.

While it really only deals with display, someone once explained to me that the 72 ppi has a closer correlation to true printing measurements. There are roughly 72 points per inch. So it can be argued that each pixel is closer to a true point of printer measurement. Of course, this doesn't account for zooming into an area in your layout or design on-screen.

Originally posted by jholmes:
But today it all boils down to the fact that most service bureaus who do the actual output work for printing and graphics have a sizable investment in Mac equipment, trained personnel and infrastructure. They don't want to change something that works and so their customers (us) don't change either.

That would seem to be the most accurate reason IMHO. Factor-in the cost of switching over and re-training personnel and it's just not as efficient. Sure you might be able to get an x86 system far cheaper, but then you also need the software to run on it.

In both places I've worked so-far dealing with graphics there was also no single person designated as a "systems administrator type". So with that, we (artists) simply maintained things ourselves. I think the simplicity of something like getting a mac server up and running allows plenty of room for getting on with regular business.

Mike

[philzilla]

i'm with jholmes on this one, it's got to be down to the software that was available in the past. i think if you could run the same page layout software on pc's back in the day, then that whole "macs are better for graphics" thing wouldn't be an issue

[Superchicken]

You know I still havn't figured out how to save files to the desktop of a windows comp quickly. I know there's a way to do it... but darned if I can find it !

The Mac you just hit comand D, or hit the DESKTOP button.
The big thing is. You don't HAVE to be a computer nerd do use a Mac. You become one once you take it out of the box and give it it's first hug

Not to mention as someone else said. MAC USErS ROCK!
Most PC nerds are wacked out psycotic gamers who like to blow up things and look at porn all day long.... well not all of em, but a good chunk of the hard core ones. Most Mac geeks don't even swear that much.
hah

Graphics on a Mac=Easy!
The keyboard is MUCH better. I'm sorry who ever thought of putting a key to open a freaking menu right where a command key should be should be SHOT!
The command key is SOOOOOO much nicer! Command C copy, Command W close window, and so on. It's RIGHt next to the space bar and has a far more fluid motion than going for ctrl.
the keyboard on the Mac is acctually USEFUL, I almost always have my left hand by the command button so people who complain about right clicking I say I have a left finger on the control key WORKS THE SAME WAY!
Not to mention like I said Mac nerds accctually are able to type with our left hand while surfing the web too.

The Mac GUI is MUCH nicer. If you havn't tried out OS X, DO IT NOW!
It's soo much more inspiring than windows! And it's just soooooo PURDY!

Everything is GRAPHICY instead of like on a PC,a nd I'm sorry Luna is just a cheap Aqua ripoff that STILL SUCKS!

Any Graphics Program worth getting is worth getting on a Mac. Photoshop, Fireworks, Flash, Ilistrator, FreeHand and what not all work on Macs.
And they work NICE.
The main thing I would have to say is, Macs have personaility, Mac users have personalities. Macs arn't just computers, they're friends... and we all know every computer nerd could really use more friends

[himself]

Originally posted by MrHappyMonkey:
<STRONG>What is the main reason that most graphic designers use the mac platform versus the PC? I too have been bitten by the mac "bug" and really am looking to try to move my graphic design work over to Mac.</STRONG>

The macs had a hold on it from the beginning (Apple practically invented desktop publishing, as someone else already said), and it's been on top ever since. Windows is only just beginning to catch up wtih features like color matching and better font management, but apple still rocks. One big plus is the typorgaphical accuacy on the mac... the mac dispaly is based on the 72 pixels per inch proportion, which is perfectly in line the typographical measurents used by designers and typographers before computerchips were even invented... 1Pica = 12 points, 72 points = 1 inch, 1point =1pixel. Text is always in it's proper proportion on mac displays. All professional digital typefaces are still made to this scale, and they don't display as well on windows (they look doistored... "tall&skiny"). This isn't the only reason, as you've probably read, but type handling is a major reason.

[godzookie2k]

When I'm "designing" and have mass amounts of data being shuffled around for five or six clients at a time I *really* don't have the time to be worring about monthly OS reinstalls, Virii galore, etc etc etc. Thats the primary reason, safety. Second reason. My mac becomes an appendage after a while. Like moving my arm and hand in sync to pick up a cup of coffee, I just don't have to think about what I want to do before I do it. On PC's (I know I am) I'm constantly preempting my next move by pondering which 6 levels deep contextual menu I'm going to have to find to do what. On my Mac, I just do it. (Nike™)

Nick

[art_director]

Everyone is so polite on this thread. That's nice.

I prefer to lay it on the table:

PCs blow, that's why graphics folk love Macs.

[Superchicken]

yeah those fans on PCs are annoying

[SunSeeker]

What is with this hangup about 72 v 96dpi

I have an ibook which is not capable of 72dpi it displays 1024 pixels across a 10" screen, thats 102.4 dpi. The closest I can get is 80dpi if I run at 800x600.
Any pc with the same size screen at 1024x768 will also run at this resolution rather than 96dpi.

I think the reason is to do with 10-15 year old mac screens and graphics hardware (before the days when we could choose our resolution) versus 10-15 year old steamingly obsolete pc turds,
Get Over It!

himself

One big plus is the typorgaphical accuacy on the mac... the mac dispaly is based on the 72 pixels per inch proportion, which is perfectly in line the typographical measurents used by designers and typographers before computerchips were even invented... 1Pica = 12 points, 72 points = 1 inch, 1point =1pixel. Text is always in it's proper proportion on mac displays. All professional digital typefaces are still made to this scale, and they don't display as well on windows (they look doistored... "tall&skiny"). This isn't the only reason, as you've probably read, but type handling is a major reason.

If it is out of proportion that is because the proportions of your display and the resolution you choose are not appropriate.
If you set a mac and pc at the same resolution, say 1024x768 then a font at 100% in a program like illustrator should be exactly the same size on both machines. (the mac probably looks better due to better anti-aliasing)

btw whats with the monster sigs I keep seeing, have the guidelines been relaxed somewhat

[sterfry]

This may be strange, but the reason I use a Mac for design is because it's the way it has always been.
Design firms (with the exception of a few) are heavily Mac based, and because of that fact, I purchased a G4. Not only that, but Photoshop on my 867 runs just as well as my friend's 2.0 GHz Pentium Four, and he payed about $1000 more than me at the time.
I honestly feel that OS 9 was more of a designer's OS, and that OS X doesn't give us a "blank canvas" to feel creative with (I do use it, just because it's Unix and I'm too damn lazy to go back to 9).
But all in all, the Mac is a nice platform to work with. Very stable, most everything works out of the box, and good with Photoshop.
And, Mac users, don't complain about PC fans. I have to put my G4 to sleep when I go to sleep (wow, that was redundant) because it keeps me up all night otherwise.
Just my little bit of insight, don't eat me, please.
I love my Mac and I am (quite unhealthily) obsessed with it. I try to go to other websites, but I keep on going back to MacNN and Versiontracker. God I hate it.

[SpongeMac]

Four words why I don't use PC: "Bill Gates" and "Steve Balmer"

[KaptainKaya]

Originally posted by sterfry:
<STRONG>This may be strange, but the reason I use a Mac for design is because it's the way it has always been.
Design firms (with the exception of a few) are heavily Mac based, and because of that fact, I purchased a G4. Not only that, but Photoshop on my 867 runs just as well as my friend's 2.0 GHz Pentium Four, and he payed about $1000 more than me at the time.
I honestly feel that OS 9 was more of a designer's OS, and that OS X doesn't give us a "blank canvas" to feel creative with (I do use it, just because it's Unix and I'm too damn lazy to go back to 9).
But all in all, the Mac is a nice platform to work with. Very stable, most everything works out of the box, and good with Photoshop.
And, Mac users, don't complain about PC fans. I have to put my G4 to sleep when I go to sleep (wow, that was redundant) because it keeps me up all night otherwise.
Just my little bit of insight, don't eat me, please.
I love my Mac and I am (quite unhealthily) obsessed with it. I try to go to other websites, but I keep on going back to MacNN and Versiontracker. God I hate it.</STRONG>

I have to agree with you about OS 9 being a designers OS. The interface was perfect. Why Apple chose to make Aqua so damn big is beyond me..and its bright as hell too. Oh well....thats what unsupported themes are for eh?

[MindFad]

Aren't you just a little bit in violation of the signature image dimensions?

I like the sig, though.

[zilmer]

the real reasons graphic-centric people use macs?

well, every once in a while it seems to me it's... blind faith. if you know what i mean...

[ford prefect]

artists are free thinkers. free thinkers don't like microsoft because of it's absolute restiveness. using an apple computer is not restrictive (no comments on not having permissions to delete files, if this happens to you without you ever switching to root, is is 100% the fault of bad developers/ and or policy of the software that created these files)

We enjoy freedoms with the mac. we don't have to activate our operating system. we have never been denyied the ability to dual boot our computers if we so choose. we don't (as far as i know) have our personal information being secretly transmitted to apple to be sold, or explotied. (I did register, but that's because I want apple to inform me of new products, wow, someone who likes to be marketed to)

The point is the people running apple seem to have vision, and the welfare of the customer base as it's geneal goal. I understand that they can't forget about the bottom line, but in general, apple wants to empower it's users. bill gates only wants to empower Microsoft.

we're the good guys.

[Superchicken]

Personally I gota agree that OS 9 was more fun to work in graphically. It's grey with a desktop. No stupid ugly gradients in the bars or anything.
Infact if I ever get into using unsupported theams and OS X more... I'll prolly either make my own or find a theam to make it look like OS 9

[KaptainKaya]

Originally posted by ford prefect:
<STRONG>artists are free thinkers. free thinkers don't like microsoft because of it's absolute restiveness. using an apple computer is not restrictive (no comments on not having permissions to delete files, if this happens to you without you ever switching to root, is is 100% the fault of bad developers/ and or policy of the software that created these files)

We enjoy freedoms with the mac. we don't have to activate our operating system. we have never been denyied the ability to dual boot our computers if we so choose. we don't (as far as i know) have our personal information being secretly transmitted to apple to be sold, or explotied. (I did register, but that's because I want apple to inform me of new products, wow, someone who likes to be marketed to)

The point is the people running apple seem to have vision, and the welfare of the customer base as it's geneal goal. I understand that they can't forget about the bottom line, but in general, apple wants to empower it's users. bill gates only wants to empower Microsoft.

we're the good guys.</STRONG>

That's why I loved Apple's slogan, Think Different™. We have a choice on what we want to use...MS people HAVE to, or so they say, use Windows because its what they use at work. Yet about 30% or more only use Office and the internet, even at work. And guess what? We have that too.

[sterfry]

I think another reason I use a Mac is because of the street appeal. When I bring my PowerBook into my PC based school, the kids all turn their heads at me, and then ask if they can touch it. What PC generates that kind of attraction?
Also, I agree with you about the Think Different slogans. More so than that, if you go to the back of the Apple store, there's a poem titled "To The Crazy Ones", which is very, very true to Mac users. We live in a PC-centric world, and we are willing to challenege the walls that have been set up around us. Linux does the same thing, but not Photoshop. GIMP is not a lovely program to learn, especially after 4-5 years of Photoshopping.
¬_¬'

Do web designers really like the Mac?

because IE for Mac bears no resemblence to the Windows version. Yet Apple keeps pushing people to use an inferior, abandoned-looking browser, instead of a more rigorous standards based Mozilla or Netscape.

Originally posted by KaptainKaya:
<STRONG>

That's why I loved Apple's slogan, Think Different™. We have a choice on what we want to use...MS people HAVE to, or so they say, use Windows because its what they use at work. Yet about 30% or more only use Office and the internet, even at work. And guess what? We have that too.</STRONG>

I think Apple is saying "Don't think, be Different".

Who prefers alternatives to iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iChat, etc. when it's all thrown in (and beautifully integrated, I admit)? Would most people keep away from Internet Explorer and install the lastest build of Mozilla? In Apple's vertical integration philosophy, there is only place for "the one best". (Or the lowest bidder, as in the case of Apple's hardware, almost entirely made in Taiwan nowadays.) So you'll have big names like MS Office, Photoshop, along with iTunes, iDVD, all figured out for you. I think others would just die off, just like Netscape on Windows. But most needn't worry... just stick with Apple's choices and they'll have the best "vertically integrated" computer in the universe. They can laugh at "20th century" Windows users, too.

[starfleetX]

Why?

I'll tell you why:

[JMII]

Just send your PC files to a printing company and watch the horrors that occur when your text jumps all over the place (rewraps) and your colors come out looking like mud. This is if they can even output your CorelDraw or MS Publisher files

I agree with those who mention the history of Apple and how they got the whole DTP thing going with 72DPI (true on screen sizes) and PostScript output. Sure now-a-days a PC can do the same thing, but no where near as nicely or smoothly - you'll be fighting it the whole time. It's hard to be creative when someone tells you in order get your scanner working or Illustrator to output correctly that you need to configure your BIOS, downloand some DLL files and type some cryptic message in at the blinking "C:" It's the whole left brain vs right brain thing - people that are creative are not normally the kind that can understand all the issues needed to deal with PCs.

Things just look better on the Mac, not sure if its the Gamma range or the anti-alias system Apple uses or something else, but I've yet to see something on PC display that looks as crisp, smooth and colorful as the same file on Mac. WindozeXP is much better, but then you look at OSX and it's no contest again.

Lastly alot of software and hardware avaliable on the Mac end is geared towards graphic artists, but on the PC you get stuff like games, accounting software, technical/engineering/CAD and lots server/networking applications. Actually you get even more on a PC, like the endless upgrades and security patches too to play with

- John

[Superchicken]

I still have no I idea why PC users are so obsessed with their games!
Who on earth wants to play a game you could play on your console!
If I wanna play games, I won't spend tons of cash on a tower, I'll spend 300 bucks on a game cube buy smash bros melee and beat my friends.
YESSH

But I have to sya that I like the way that you don't have fifty programs to do the exact same thing on a Mac.
You've got about ten graphics editors that are worth talking about. And you may ever only buy two.
Then upgrade them. And you don't need to spend 30 bucks to buy an MP3 encoder/player, justuse iTunes, whoever doesn't like iTunes should be shot.
hehe

iPhoto.... right now I feel like shooting cause of the screwy way it's set up... hopefully version two will fix that.

[juanvaldes]

It works™

[sushiism]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
<strong>I still have no I idea why PC users are so obsessed with their games!
Who on earth wants to play a game you could play on your console!
If I wanna play games, I won't spend tons of cash on a tower, I'll spend 300 bucks on a game cube buy smash bros melee and beat my friends.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Ahh I've noticed that too, its like:
1:"Hmm I'm getting a mac"
2:"LOLOLOL WHY? they suck"
1:"err... why exactly?"
2:"errr they only have one mouse button"
1:"prolly because they only need one, but you can have bloody 50 if you feel so inclined"
2:"errr they have no games"
1:"if you haven't noticed I spend most of my time designing or on the net, if I want games I'll dust off the N64"
2:"but they're for stupid people"
1:"last time I checked a *nix prompt wasnt really for stupid people, unlike being unable to unistall 'important' things like msn messenger ¬_¬ and having your system files automatically replaced on startup to save you from your own stupidity ¬_¬"
2:"well if you want *nix just get a pc with linux"
1:"YAY decent os......YAY no apps worth using (yeah theres some but not really design wise)"

bah anyway, recent conversation I had before I got mine, good thing I don't listen to them because this is the nicest thing computer wise since I had my amiga

Also the mac/pc thing, its obvious that apple actually care about designers I mean mac users get Helvetica, pc users get Arial.
Pc owners kinda just expect easy/beautiful things to mean stupid and featureless. Lets face it they're used to it, lets look at some lovely errors I had to suffer in windows 2000:

+upon shutting down windows with outlook in the background:
outlook:"you must close all office apps before shutting down"
then suddenly
explorer:"outlook.exe does not seem to be responding, windows will end the task in 20 seconds"
HAHAHA now thats moronic.

+Also upon staring windows
explorer:"WARNING the registry size is too small, windows may fail to function properly, please click help on how to increase the size"
NOTE that this dialogue only had an OK button, not a help button to be seen. So I looked in the windows help file, god what use is that thing, doesn't mention it at all, anyway after a few hours searching I figured out how to do it. Now why if this was so important didn't windows do it itself, I mean if its not gonig to function right otherwise and all its doing is telling me to do it then why can't it do it.

And now for the win98 classic
"The registry is corrupted, press ok to restart and correct this problem"
HAHAAH had this for months, pressing ok restarts but doesn't correct a thing the only way to correct it is by going into settings and disable checking the registry for errors because you can run fine without correcting this "problem"

[Macola]

Why do we design types use Macs? So many reasons, but they can be condensed into two points:

1. Macs work.
2. Postscript

[l008com]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cipher13:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by l008com:
<strong>Mouse movement is so much more accurate on a mac. Movement is smoother and drawing detailed things is much easier. Plus, their just plain better. Task bar! Pssssshhhhht. How about something really useful, like a dock.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">True in OS9 - not so in OSX.

Mousing is HORRIBLE.

I'd use Windows any day over OSX just due to the mousing.

After installing USB Overdrive, it's much better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Mouse movement and tracking is EXACTLY THE SAME in X as it is in 9!

Exactly! I can't even believe you said that, because it is so exactly the same!!! On a PC mouse movement is clumsy and jagged, on a mac, its silky smooth. Every mac I've ever used, excluding an old mac when its reading the floppy.

[Superchicken]

My mouse is a bit jumpy.. although that's mainly ebcause it's optical and my desk isn't clean

Mine only ever jumps in FreeHand, and sometimes I wanna take my hockey punk and hook it up but I love my optical one to much to shame it that way

yeah my mom tried to convince me to get a PC before I got my iMac. Man am I glad I held under the pressure.
haha their compaq sucks SOO MUCH!
I mean I could surive on a PC... for about a month. But my iMac is soooooo much better!
I love it soo much!

I could not imagin trying to run a graphics program with a PC keyboard.

Like I'm a comand key junkie, and my hands are always on the keyboard or the mouse

I could not imagin living with garbage like the ctrl key on windows

[bbt]

That's why I loved Apple's slogan, Think Different™. We have a choice on what we want to use

so you let apple tell you how to think instead of microsoft?

how is that thinking?

i don't like companies telling people what to do

<small>[ 06-03-2002, 07:07 PM: Message edited by: bbt ]</small>

[Macola]

Well...maybe I'll have the last word on this, maybe not...

I'm often asked this question, and my typical reply is something like this:

My PC is a tool. I use it to get a few things done. If it blew up tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it at all.

My Mac is an extension of myself. I could probably live without it, but it would be like losing an arm or a leg.

[OldManMac]

I had a conversation with a customer today who happened to own a printing and graphic design business. She's used Macs since day one, because: they work, color is accurate, and she has to do a lot of rework when she gets files from Windows users!

[buchrob]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by KarlG:
<strong>I had a conversation with a customer today who happened to own a printing and graphic design business. She's used Macs since day one, because: they work, color is accurate, and she has to do a lot of rework when she gets files from Windows users!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I've handled literally tens of millions of dollars of projects produced on the mac and PC. Almost invariably, the jobs produced on PC were done by people who, as much as they wanted to cut corners on buying the CPU, got professionally cheap when it came to training , support and most especially "evaluating" software.

Some the of the problems were due to limitations in earlier Windows systems, but mostly came from the customers' unwillingness to master even the basics of design and publishing (fonts, images, links, colour spaces--- these were apparently something that I was supposed to automatically fix for free since they had "done all the work").

We obviously had some problems when dealing with mac "newbies", but at least the fonts and "recompose the entire publication for new target printer resolution" were something we didn't have to worry about.

[ironknee]

Back in 1987, IBM compatible computers were still line command based- DOS.

I went to an early Mac "show" in NYC and saw the first demo of PageMaker 1.0. For me, seeing "real type faces" on the screen was amazing! But the knockout punch was when the demo person moved around an image between 2 collumns, the type re-wrapped around the image...in seconds!!!!

That's when I saw the light and never looked back.

inseconds as appose to waiting 2 or more days for the typesetter to reset it...

<small>[ 06-11-2002, 01:27 AM: Message edited by: ironknee ]</small>

[van6ogh]

Check out: <a href="http://www.apple.com/switch" target="_blank">www.apple.com/switch</a>

and

<a href="http://www.apple.com/creative/" target="_blank">www.apple.com/creatitve/</a>

[andreas_g4]

My Mac is part of my life. I have fun on my Mac. Isn't it just so cool to earn money with what you can have fun, too?

And here the more technical answer

Setup a Mac with all your apps and the system.
Do the same with a PC.
Next step on a Mac is working.
Next step on a pc is solving the problems...

And that's not stupid mac talking. I work in the graphics industry all day long and I can see it again and again every day. Sure there are (as always) exceptions, but it is truly true!

[Superchicken]

I like the arm comment.
Although if you said that to an amputie, they'd probably kick you in the groin.
And your responce just might be "least they didn't kick my Mac"