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woowooo · Jun 21, 2002, 09:42 AM

Ok, the two DTP heavyweights are to be NO Show at MWNY.

Does this bother you?
Does it make sen$e as Seybold is around the corner?
How many of you designers are on the East Coast and can travel to SFMW next year? Or atleast afford to fly rather than take the train or subway to MWNY?
Would MWNY be better in Boston (like old days)?
Would it not make sense just to wrap MacWorld in with PC World and have one big Texpo in NYC ?

How many mac designers use Flash? Wouldn't you like to see the new MX products at MWNY? Or are you going to Seybold?

Funny how some websites aren't making a deal out of this. I look forward to seeing colleagues in NYC and allover. And in light of what happened last year, I would think there would be more need to visit the Big Apple and pay respect...

I know..its my opinion.

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mitchell_pgh · Jun 21, 2002, 11:30 AM

No big deal... EVERYONE is trying to save money and I also think they are trying to show up at a few more small events...

I would rather them release X versions of their Software then be at a trade show...

mitchell_pgh · Jun 21, 2002, 11:31 AM

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KaptainKaya · Jun 21, 2002, 12:26 PM

Not like they're dropping support for the platform, they're just trying to cut costs right now. No biggie, I'll support them

godzookie2k · Jun 21, 2002, 05:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Ok, the two DTP heavyweights are to be NO Show at MWNY.

Does this bother you?<hr /></blockquote>Not in the slightest. I *know* Adobe and MM are dedicated to the platform, so why should I care? Most designers (the non-mac "dork" ones) couldn't give two hoots about macworld, at least the ones I know.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Does it make sen$e as Seybold is around the corner?<hr /></blockquote>For Design, Seybold = important Macworld = luxury.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />How many of you designers are on the East Coast and can travel to SFMW next year?<hr /></blockquote>See comment about designers and the [lack of] two hoots about macworld. Hardware aside, not much 'designy' stuff is showcased at macworld. its a computer show, NOT a web/print/design show. *thats* what seybold is for. Though to be honest, *I* wouldn't really die or anything if macworlds and seybolds never showed up again. As long as products are released on schedule[ish] who needs the big splash anyway?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Would MWNY be better in Boston (like old days)?<hr /></blockquote>IMO NYC is much more convinient than boston, plus easier to get to.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />How many mac designers use Flash? Wouldn't you like to see the new MX products at MWNY? Or are you going to Seybold?<hr /></blockquote>Neither, MM is making a presentation to my local area user group [as they almost always do], and I sure as ****e aint gonna pay a couple grand just to go see the same thing at a big show, when I can do it at a local pub with a few folks over a pint. [or six]

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Funny how some websites aren't making a deal out of this. I look forward to seeing colleagues in NYC and allover.<hr /></blockquote>I don't know about you *but* if I want to see my NY collegues I drag my ass up to NY and see them. In the event that I want to go hang out with a bunch of designers I don't know [no offense to anyone, but *not* my idea of a good time] I'll go to the HOW conference in Orlando and suck up some rays while I'm at it. As I said before: Macworld is for hardware and Apple stuff. Apple just makes the tool, they sure as ****e don't affect my design. Seybold is usually just a bunch of grouchy printers looking at...printers. More designers too but...things like the HOW conference or Flash Forward or BD4D, those are geared for design and are always entertaining to go. Siggraph is also supposed to be a wicked cool time I've heard.

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Fink-Nottle · Jun 25, 2002, 09:01 PM

I agree that this is no big deal... they both have lots of software for OS X and that's really what counts. Plus as someone pointed out, they're spending all their spare change on suing each other...

Jerome · Jun 25, 2002, 10:22 PM

Expos, I wouldn't go there even if I lived in NY or SF. I just check Apple's site after Steve is done and I find out everything I need.

ironknee · Jun 25, 2002, 11:07 PM

I agree shame on them....yeah yeah money...bla bla bla

but for Adobe, Isn't this the oportunity to really dig into Quark? I'm sure Quark won't be there like always...

Issuppose adobe and Macromedia sees each other as the main comp...too bad

both companies started on Macs

godzookie2k · Jun 25, 2002, 11:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ironknee:
I agree shame on them....yeah yeah money...bla bla bla

but for Adobe, Isn't this the oportunity to really dig into Quark? I'm sure Quark won't be there like always...

Issuppose adobe and Macromedia sees each other as the main comp...too bad

both companies started on Macs<hr /></blockquote>"yeah, yeah money"?!?!?!? uhm, shows like macworld cost hundreds of thousands to attend, especially for a big firm like adobe or mm. (I work with a company that does trade shows, trust me) In hard economic times like these, its simply *not* worth it. Adobe/MM's bread and butter are the big design studios and print shops (read: probably not you personally), as I explained earlier, Big design studios and printers don't send people to macworld because its not design related. Adobe took their jabs last SEYBOLD with their "Tools for the New Work" campaign that has been going on [kinda weak imho]. Its not like macworld will suddenly make a whole bunch of designers drop quark out of the blue.

cheers

ironknee · Jun 26, 2002, 11:00 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by godzookie2k:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ironknee:
I agree shame on them....yeah yeah money...bla bla bla

but for Adobe, Isn't this the oportunity to really dig into Quark? I'm sure Quark won't be there like always...

Issuppose adobe and Macromedia sees each other as the main comp...too bad

both companies started on Macs<hr /></blockquote>"yeah, yeah money"?!?!?!? uhm, shows like macworld cost hundreds of thousands to attend, especially for a big firm like adobe or mm. (I work with a company that does trade shows, trust me) In hard economic times like these, its simply *not* worth it. Adobe/MM's bread and butter are the big design studios and print shops (read: probably not you personally), as I explained earlier, Big design studios and printers don't send people to macworld because its not design related. Adobe took their jabs last SEYBOLD with their "Tools for the New Work" campaign that has been going on [kinda weak imho]. Its not like macworld will suddenly make a whole bunch of designers drop quark out of the blue.

cheers<hr /></blockquote>Hey I hear you. The economy is still weak and if I were Adobe or Macromedia, I would consider spending money in the right place.

By the way, I have been a graphic designer for close to 20 years now and have witnessed the transition from PageMaker and 123 Go to Quark. Then the long and painful evolution from Q 3.0 to 3.1. Nevermind the other updates years later.

For Adobe, isn't their Mac income of all products close to 45%? several hundred dollars to assure Indesign is up to speed and may lead to a new publishing empire....cha ching!! My point is, sure the whole printing industry is based on quark, but when can we expect a carbon version? in a year? By then Indesign (I have not tried it yet) may be at v3.5 and more standardized.

Why don't we designers shun Quark? They don't seem to care either way...

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