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ringo · Jul 5, 2002, 02:06 PM

Saw this at slashdot, thought this group would be interested as well...
<a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/05/0626205" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/05/0626205</a>
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Ethan writes: "A developer on the Yahoo Amiga One mailing list has successfully installed MacOS 9.2 using Mac On Linux. And it seems that adding OS X support is on the to-do horizon for the MOL developers. I think that it will be interesting to see the people at Apple lose some sleep now that a low cost, fast, off the shelf solution exists to run Mac OS, without any Apple hardware. If it doesn't do anything else, at least it will give the people buying the new Amiga One G3 PPC board an existing software base." Mind you, I've never even seen an Amiga One, but it would be a pretty silly thing to make up <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Update: 07/05 07:03 GMT by T: Mike Bouma piped up with a link to a page featuring the same hardware, in this case running Debian, OpenOffice.org and Mozilla. <hr /></blockquote>Interesting, could Apple have new competition on the hardware front?

mchladek · Jul 5, 2002, 02:22 PM

Looks pretty interesting, but I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. This is just geeks playing in the OS sandbox, it's not providing to much a viable consumers.

Even if it is a 'virtual' implementation rather than an emulation I'm sure there's going to be some very noticeable speed hits. Unless they can port this over to the i3/486 architecture and greatly increase performance, Apple will just ignore their efforts.

olePigeon · Jul 5, 2002, 02:22 PM

First of all, the Amiga One does exist. It's a G3 (and even G4 now) replacement for the T series Amigas (2000, 3000, and 4000). Basically just replaces the motherboard. Emulation is nothing new on the Amiga. My friend ran MacOS 7 on his 4000T faster than the LCIII and current Macs of the day. Kinda funny. The fastest Mac you could get was an Amiga. Hah.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ringo:
Saw this at slashdot, thought this group would be interested as well...
<a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/05/0626205" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/05/0626205</a>
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Ethan writes: "A developer on the Yahoo Amiga One mailing list has successfully installed MacOS 9.2 using Mac On Linux. And it seems that adding OS X support is on the to-do horizon for the MOL developers. I think that it will be interesting to see the people at Apple lose some sleep now that a low cost, fast, off the shelf solution exists to run Mac OS, without any Apple hardware. If it doesn't do anything else, at least it will give the people buying the new Amiga One G3 PPC board an existing software base." Mind you, I've never even seen an Amiga One, but it would be a pretty silly thing to make up <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Update: 07/05 07:03 GMT by T: Mike Bouma piped up with a link to a page featuring the same hardware, in this case running Debian, OpenOffice.org and Mozilla. <hr /></blockquote>Interesting, could Apple have new competition on the hardware front?<hr /></blockquote>

The Godfather · Jul 5, 2002, 02:25 PM

I am a big fan of Mac-On-Linux too. I've used the runtime environment in 1999 and it was awesome. In 2002, it supports multiple sessions of MacOS 9 and suspend a-la Virtual PC.

Samuel Ridh (author) is very dedicated and always listening to his user requests. I bet that this article has made him very proud

However, MacOS in Amiga is not too impressive. It wouldn't take too much that someone takes a G4 upgrade and fits it in a PCI card for PCs. That would be truly revoltionary: Power PC Linux Beowulf inside a beige case, running multiple copies of 3D rendering software for MacOS

The Godfather · Jul 5, 2002, 02:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mchladek:
Looks pretty interesting, but I don't think Apple has anything to worry about. This is just geeks playing in the OS sandbox, it's not providing to much a viable consumers.

Even if it is a 'virtual' implementation rather than an emulation I'm sure there's going to be some very noticeable speed hits. Unless they can port this over to the i3/486 architecture and greatly increase performance, Apple will just ignore their efforts.<hr /></blockquote>Don't be so sure. The speed hit is about 10%, with a 1999 version.

And they can't port it to i386. The philosophy of the program requires a PowerPC CPU. A hybrid x86/PPC would be able to run MOL.

mchladek · Jul 5, 2002, 02:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Godfather:
Don't be so sure. The speed hit is about 10%, with a 1999 version.

And they can't port it to i386. The philosophy of the program requires a PowerPC CPU. A hybrid x86/PPC would be able to run MOL.<hr /></blockquote>Well dang then, I guess Apple should take notice. Man, this could be really cool. I can just imagine the day I'll be able to run Mac, Linux, and Windows all on the same hardware with no noticeable performance hit. That'll be quite neat indeed

jchen · Jul 5, 2002, 04:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Godfather:
That would be truly revoltionary: Power PC Linux Beowulf inside a beige case, running multiple copies of 3D rendering software for MacOS

<hr /></blockquote>Not particulary, the mac's stronghold is NOT 3D rendering as has been shown in 3D rendering benchmarks through various modelers (Maya, Cinema 4D, Lightwave)

mchladek · Jul 5, 2002, 06:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jchen:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by The Godfather:
That would be truly revoltionary: Power PC Linux Beowulf inside a beige case, running multiple copies of 3D rendering software for MacOS

<hr /></blockquote>Not particulary, the mac's stronghold is NOT 3D rendering as has been shown in 3D rendering benchmarks through various modelers (Maya, Cinema 4D, Lightwave)<hr /></blockquote>Personally I've always been skeptical of these benchmarks. What renderers are they using. If they're just using the built in ones I imagine those are heavily optimized for wintels since that's the largest market. If the renderer ports are done very badly (which they probably are) then of course the mac isn't going to do as good.

Is there a benchmark test where a renderer is custom built and fully optimised for each platform?

Zytryx · Jul 6, 2002, 12:09 AM

well if it's Maya, it's a horrible rendering engine, that's why everyone uses renderman, or something of the sort.