[Eug Wanker]

My CRT TV has a measured lines of resolution of around 900.

And no, it's not computer CRT. Mind you, it ain't a cheap TV though. Furthermore, I do think the idea of using such a headless Mac on a TV is a bad one, except for maybe playing DVDs.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
My CRT TV has a measured lines of resolution of around 900.

And no, it's not computer CRT. Mind you, it ain't a cheap TV though. Furthermore, I do think the idea of using such a headless Mac on a TV is a bad one.

Oh you mean your HD widescreen TV, ya that is exactly what we are talking about.

[scottiB]

LESS markup? by the sounds of things I would be surprised if Apple made $20 of a sale.

Well at 10% and $500, it'd be only $50 or so. From Apple's last statement, its margins are around 27-28% on everything. It's tough to discern what the mark-up on the current eMac is, but it might be higher than we all assume (25%?). Perhaps Apple feels it will make it up on volume.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Oh you mean your HD widescreen TV, ya that is exactly what we are talking about.

You were talking about non-computer CRT TVs. Mine is one of them. It just happens to do HD too.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
You were talking about non-computer CRT TVs. Mine is one of them. It just happens to do HD too.

We are not the norm and hardly a big enough market to come out with a whole new computer for. Like I said earlier:

Problem is CRT TV's can only do 640x480 which is really useless for anything other than iTunes, but Plasma TV's (and other HDTV's) can do better resolutions.:

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by scottiB:
From Apple's last statement, its margins are around 27-28% on everything.

From what I have heard from people who work there and dealers Apple makes less than 20% and gives less that 10% to dealers. They obviously have better margins on AppleCare and software but NOT hardware. Try to get a dealer to knock off $100 a top of the line G5, they can't do it and offer you more RAM or hard drives instead.

So take $500 with a $90 profit (at best), than take shipping and marketing into account. It isn't worth it and I don't think the company will be any better off having a slightly better market-share but not making more money.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Seriously, how does taking out a $50 monitor make it drop $200-$300 bucks?

There are a lot of hidden costs involved with production and distribution. For one, the cost to transport the items will drop significantly.

Take the cost of moving materials, for example. eMacs are significantly larger and heavier than what most think this thing would possibly be. Also, there may have been a larger-than-desired history of Apple having to repair eMac monitors (while under warranty). Those types of things can add up as well.

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by Hash:
G4 1.25 Ghz with any AGP card will represent huge jump in speed and performance for me. The price is incredible and it will much faster than my current hardware.

I am sold!

Huge jump for me from my Beige G3 too. I can't wait.

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by ambush:
1.25 G4 / 256 MB of RAM

Rock on

I want it shipped with a GeForce 2 MX!!

Would you rather have shipped with Intel Integrated Graphics??

Show me a $500 PeeCee that has a "good" graphics chip?

[ambush]

Originally posted by Cadaver:
Would you rather have shipped with Intel Integrated Graphics??

Show me a $500 PeeCee that has a "good" graphics chip?

well most of the time, you can actually change it... no?

if that new imac is expandable.. I'm sold. Like live now I order one. But I somehow doubt it immensely..

[Rev-O]

Shame that there is no direct ADC connectivity mentioned. Might help the sales of of new displays, in a round about way (Yes, I know I'm full of sh!t on this one). Get a new aluminum (hey, are the displays called brushed aluminium in the UK?) display for the G5 and use the old ADC display on the freshly purchased headless iWhatever. Yah, I know it would only require an adapter, but who wants to mess with adapters?

[Superchicken]

Anyone who says this wouldn't sell is crazy. This sorta thing is something I would buy my mom this summer! I'd stick a copy of office on it, and just hide her Compaq and tell her I installed a new theme

Seriously though my parents have a fine Samsung monitor that they bought maybe 2 years ago, while their compaq was bought a good 6 years ago. It's still an OK monitor and for some people who are cheap and don't care about computers keeping the same monitor is important. That said Apple could add a cheap 17 inch CRT with this, but package it a bit more elegantly and you'd have a sale.
These things would be absolutely great, there are tons of markets for it, heck I'd pick up one if I could raise the cash this summer.

This is a GREAT iPod accessory, and a great idea for dorm guys and what not, I've got several friends interested in Macs but don't want to drop the tons of CND dollars needed for one. If I could get this for 700 or so CND I think I could convince some people to buy. That said the eMac is so freaking not nice looking I don't even think of it when recommending to other people.

[macaddict0001]

Originally posted by ambush:
well most of the time, you can actually change it... no?

if that new imac is expandable.. I'm sold. Like live now I order one. But I somehow doubt it immensely..

a 500 dollar dell is still stuck with a pci bus

[Langdon]

This rumor thing needs to stop. The stock is going to do a header if they dont release one now.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/31/tech...reut/index.htm

[rozwado1]

Originally posted by Langdon:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/12/31/tech...reut/index.htm

Fantastical™

[Fonzie]

Okay, without having read the whole thread yet I want to say this: I think Apple should have done their best to put a G5 in this new headless iMac. Nobody wants something that was/is 'yesterday'. I most certainly would not. I bet the price would be higher though. But they /should/ have done their best to make it a G5.

BTW. does anyone know if the AppleExpo will be streamed Live ?

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by Fonzie:
Okay, without having read the whole thread yet I want to say this: I think Apple should have done their best to put a G5 in this new headless iMac. Nobody wants something that was/is 'yesterday'. I most certainly would not. I bet the price would be higher though. But they /should/ have done their best to make it a G5.

But show me a $500 PC that isn't "yesterday."

A 2.4GHz Celeron, Intel Integrated Graphics with shared memory, a 'value line' 40GB hard drive and a 90 day warranty isn't exactly cutting-edge technology, either. Yet this is what PC manufacturers sell as their $500 PCs. Just check Dell's site.

People who want a cheap computer for email and web surfing don't need or want anything more.

Think of it this way - Apple sells a 1.33GHz 14" iBook G4 for $1300, and very few people say it wont run their standard applications or childrens' games. A desktop with similar specs would be as fast or faster (thanks to standard 7200rpm 3.5" hard drives), and run the same applications just as well. If Apple were to release a $500 desktop, it would do just fine for its intended market.

[wdlove]

If Apple continues the same as last year then it will be streamed via satellite. My wife and I plan to be at our local Apple Store so that we can view the Keynote live. It was a great time last year, enjoyed being with other Mac enthusiasts.

[Astro-Creep]

Originally posted by gumby5647:
dude, you have to start somewhere with proc. speed. You have to start low so that you can grow....something Apple obviously did not take into account with the G5 intro.

Starting at 1.25Ghz now, leaves the door open for updates every six months.

1.25GHz Jan
1.33GHz Aug.
1.42GHz Jan. 06
1.5 or 1.67GHz Aug. 06

etc, etc, etc.

Don't paint yourself into a corner like they did with the G5

Screw that. I want the fastest available speed at the time, regardless of how fast they can update it. Artificially limiting any features of a product just to have an upgrade path is stupid, bad business, and really serves to annoy people like me who really want to like Apple.

I'm not talking about putting a 3 GHz G5 and a 30" display into a $500 computer, I'm talking about putting the fastest available for the money. (Although if they could do that, it'd be cool.) For $500 on the PC side, you can get a damn good computer with a monitor. It'll run all but the most demanding of games and it's even the best they have to offer at that price point. Go figure. What Apple needs is a competitor to light a fire under their ass. With a monopoly (Even like Apple's) the only winner is the monopoly.

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[Eug Wanker]