[waxcrash]

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenbl...es/000369.html

This is an interview with 2 guys that are being sued by Apple for leaking Tiger via BitTorrent. You have to ask yourself why would they do this interview.


Interesting quote:

In all honesty, I assumed that it wouldn't be a big deal if I shared this with like minded mac fans.

You know what happens when you assume?

[Krypton]

It's a very interesting read. Although it highlights as did the RIAA cases, that kids aren't able to put up a fight when being sued by major corporations.

It seems quite sad that these people's lives are going to be ruined forever for these actions, not that this isn't deserved, but because they are being made scapegoats it appears.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Dumb and Dumber.

"I consider myself an active member of several communities from MacRumors, MTKA and MacNN. "

Ok what dumb Canadian member here is it? Spill it!!!

[amsalpemkcus]

Duh! ADC or whatever, if you are going to let the Tiger out of its cage it is going to do its rounds in the jungle no matter waht! Seems like a stupid legal move by Apple on its own zealots! Why am I beginning to think that Apple is just like any other megalomaniac corporation out there that won't hesistate to swat a fly with a sledgehammer? Perfect timing too! Right around christmas time! way to go!

Apple has to go more than just making people sign the NDA if they really care about such leaks. Sueing some stupid kid doesn't really solve their problem.

[ReggieX]

Oh poor me, I'm a good kid who has no money and does volunteer work, I didn't know that distributing NDA-only software was bad!

[roam]

We can all come down hard on him, but do we really think he's not going to be upset or scared? Reading that article, he reacted like anyone else would in a similar situation, whether or not it was a clever thing to do.

[demograph68]

It was me!!! Muahahahaaa!!!!

[amsalpemkcus]

Originally posted by demograph68:
It was me!!! Muahahahaaa!!!!

Steve wants your ass on a frying pan! Now run and hide!!!!

[roam]

I'd do a midnight runner back over to Canada.

[Cody Dawg]

The court clerk / private investigator showed up at my door Christmas Eve. I wasn't home at the time, so he came back on the 27th to serve me.

Nice going, Apple.

[PacHead]

Haha, what jackasses.

I'm one of those hippy-save-the-world Canuks.

Certain people here claim canadians have the legal right to steal MP3s, I suppose that right doesn't extend to prematurely leaking Apple Os'es.

[brapper]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Haha, what jackasses.

I'm one of those hippy-save-the-world Canuks.

Certain people here claim canadians have the legal right to steal MP3s, I suppose that right doesn't extend to prematurely leaking Apple Os'es.

well downloading and distributing aren't the same thing, now are they?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by brapper:
well downloading and distributing aren't the same thing, now are they?

Not really, because on many P2P systems, you're sharing while you're downloading. That's the whole concept behind bitorrent.

[Visnaut]

Originally posted by amsalpemkcus:
Sueing some stupid kid doesn't really solve their problem.

Perhaps not their immediate problem, but it probably is a good deterrent that will make other 'stupid kids' think twice.

The guy is a victim of his own actions. For someone who seems so plugged into "the scene" he sure demonstrated a lot of ignorance in uploading that file. Okay, maybe not ignorant, just very naïve at the time. By his own admission, he's learned in a very harsh way that his actions were indeed wrong, but his lack of malicious intent or simply not knowing better can't and won't save him now. He broke the agreement he effectively signed with Apple, and that left him open to whatever Apple Legal deems fit. And I can't say I disagree with that, Apple has to take steps to protect itself, and it won't stop simply if the perpetrator is presents himself as a "nice guy".

In his situation, I sure as hell wouldn't be giving that file to friends, let alone strangers on a semi-public board. Then again, I couldn't care less for pre-release builds, but still. Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone makes mistakes that gets themselves sued by a multi-national corporation.

Does he deserve it? I say yes.

[Captain Obvious]

There are two other defendants named so far: 'Merkin' and 'dmsmac'. I know you both know dmsmac, but Merkin seems to gone off the grid. Do you know him, and have you talked with him since this happened?

Nessence: I do not know him and he has chosen to remain silent

What he chose was to get an attorney who kept him from doing stupid things like giving an interview that will just alienate Apple and probably cause them to pursue this case to the end rather than settle out of court.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by waxcrash:
You know what happens when you assume?

Yea, you make an ass out of u and me

[Cody Dawg]

I loved this comment there at the bottom of the article because a lot of you who think this guy should burn in Apple hell (along with Jobs) are forgetting a very simple fact:

For some reason, I feel it's worth pointing out/reminding folks that both Steve Wozniak and Jobs were well-known phone "phreakers" back in the day of the Apple //e. (For those unaware, "phreaking" is the "art" of stealing long distance telephone service by either bypassing the billing portion of the system, or much more commonly, by charging your calls to another person's account.) They managed to get away with all of this without being punished, as did quite a few people in that time period. (The long distance phone companies were a few steps behind the technology used by the phone phreakers back in the 80's.)


Isn't it funny how people's concepts of "right and wrong" tend to change once they become more successful and have more money?

[effgee]

Originally posted by Captain Obvious:
What he chose was to get an attorney who kept him from doing stupid things like giving an interview ...

I was wondering about that as well ... an interview? How thick can you get?

As far as punishment is concerned - yep those guys were being incredibly naive/stupid/whatever you want to call it.

If I were Apple, I'd turn this whole fiasco into a publicity stunt for myself - ask the judge for a punishment that won't ruin his life, help others and still be a major pain in the behind for the accused so as to teach him to think twice before pulling a stunt like this again.

Something like social work - e.g., give computer/Mac classes to socially disadvantaged kids for three years - every weekend for eight hours. Then I'd donate a bunch of iMacs to a worthy charity/foundation in the kid's hometown and be the hero in the media.

Should he flunk his teaching "job", sue him for whatever fantasy amount seems applicable.

[E's Lil Theorem]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I loved this comment there at the bottom of the article because a lot of you who think this guy should burn in Apple hell (along with Jobs) are forgetting a very simple fact:

...
Isn't it funny how people's concepts of "right and wrong" tend to change once they become more successful and have more money?

Tends to happen quite often when you have shareholders breathing down your neck.

[Cody Dawg]

Yeah, Jobs is coming across as a pr*ck - along with his battalion of lawyers.

I agree that he did something wrong. But, what ever happened to "cease and desist?"

And why not sue the website that allowed it to happen?

Answer THAT question, will ya?

[amsalpemkcus]

Originally posted by Visnaut:
Perhaps not their immediate problem, but it probably is a good deterrent that will make other 'stupid kids' think twice.

Oh, yeah!!!! it will make them shake in their booties!! LOL!!!!