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chris_h · Jun 12, 2002, 01:53 PM

I dare any of you who are of the male persuasion to read this and not get queezy:

from: <a href="http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/ncast12_20020612.htm" target="_blank">http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/ncast12_20020612.htm</a>

It wasin his low-slung Oak Park home, he told police, that he quietly performed a castration on a man who contacted him through the Internet.

The 29-year-old Taiwanese national told police he had performed about 50 castrations before his kitchen-table operation on a 48-year-old Birmingham man went wrong.

Now, police are trying to figure out whether a crime was committed.

The man, who said he performed castrations both here and in his previous home in Australia, told police Saturday he had finished the procedure and the two men were enjoying a postoperative piece of pie when the Birmingham man started laughing.

Then he started bleeding.

The men couldn't stanch the flow. At about 5 a.m. the newly castrated man stepped out to the street. Someone called police, who found him sitting on the curb in a pair of blood-soaked blue jeans.

He said he'd been voluntarily castrated a couple of hours earlier in the nearby ranch house.

Inside, police found two human testicles in a container in the refrigerator.

"I can't even imagine this," said Lt. Bruce Smith, head of the Oak Park Public Safety Department's detective bureau. "It's bewildering to me."

Investigators aren't releasing either man's name until they sort out whether a crime was committed. Likewise, investigators don't know why the Birmingham man went under the knife.

Criminal or not, home castration is not unheard of.

Several Web sites are devoted to the subject, which some men pursue for erotic reasons. The Birmingham man gave investigators the name of one such Web site.

Dr. Jonathan Metzl, a professor in psychiatry and women's studies at the University of Michigan, said the desire to be castrated could stem from a number of psychiatric disorders.

People who suffer from gender identity disorder feel they are living in the body of the wrong sex and are disgusted by their own genitals, Metzl said. Or, a man with an obsessive-compulsive disorder could feel that his genitals are dirty, he said.

"This is very rare," Metzl said. "The fear of castration is much more prevalent than actual castration."

Self-castrations tend to be more common than leaving the job to someone else, said Dr. Dana Ohl, a urologist at the U-M Medical Center who has operated on botched amateur castrations.

"Usually, when these people just chop their own testicle off, they don't pay attention to the blood supply," he said.

The Birmingham man is out of the hospital and recovering after several hours of emergency surgery Saturday morning. The would-be surgeon, who overstayed his visa, has been released as the investigation continues.

"We may not be able to prosecute this guy," Smith said.

Legally, according to Jim Halushka of the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office, you can't commit a criminal assault on a consenting person.

But other legal options are being explored, Halushka said. Police found a bottle labeled "zylocaine" in the Oak Park house, which is being tested in case a prescription-drug law was violated.

Another possibility is a charge of practicing medicine without a license.

Either way, the would-be surgeon has overstayed a student visa by about a year, Halushka said, and that information has been turned over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

"This makes no sense," Halushka said. "This is just too weird."

<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/chris_h/.Pictures/heh.gif" target="_blank">LOL</a>

driven · Jun 12, 2002, 01:56 PM

chris_h · Jun 12, 2002, 02:02 PM

this whole thing makes me very sad in pants.

OldManMac · Jun 12, 2002, 02:05 PM

Just goes to show that there are lots of wackos running loose on the streets!

boots · Jun 12, 2002, 02:05 PM

A couple of things made me go "huh?" (I mean besides the obvious getting whacked.)

1st) the psychologist is a womens studies prof at UM...good person to be explaining men's psyches.

2nd) What the hell did the guy put them in the fridge for. A late night snack? I know Mt. Oysters are popular in some places, but puleeze!

WTF

boots · Jun 12, 2002, 02:07 PM

Oh, wow. The city just hit me. My brother is a cop in Oak Park. I'll have to give him a call tonight.

cdhostage · Jun 12, 2002, 02:08 PM

Odd.

I wonder why these fellows who want to be castrated don't go to an actual doctor to get a sex change.

There are a few places around the US that will chop off the male genitals and create a hole (note - no substitute for a real vagina. This is just a fleashy hole). I dunno how the plumbing is worked out, nor how sexuall sensitive nerves are moved (if at all).

My guess is that these fellows were rejected by the ladymaking doctorrs.

boots · Jun 12, 2002, 02:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cdhostage:
Odd.

I wonder why these fellows who want to be castrated don't go to an actual doctor to get a sex change.

There are a few places around the US that will chop off the male genitals and create a hole (note - no substitute for a real vagina. This is just a fleashy hole). I dunno how the plumbing is worked out, nor how sexuall sensitive nerves are moved (if at all).

My guess is that these fellows were rejected by the ladymaking doctorrs.<hr /></blockquote>Or there are immigration issues. Oak Park has a lot of immigrants (many from the Middle East). That would be my guess.

voodoo · Jun 12, 2002, 03:15 PM

This story makes me feel uneasy, to say the least! Ouch!!

Beyond Redemption · Jun 12, 2002, 03:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KarlG:
Just goes to show that there are lots of wackos running loose on the streets!<hr /></blockquote>At least they won't be able to spead their seed.

anarkisst · Jun 12, 2002, 03:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chris_h:
Criminal or not, home castration is not unheard of.

Several Web sites are devoted to the subject, which some men pursue for erotic reasons.<hr /></blockquote>How can you get excited about castration if your testicles and penis are cut off?!!! confused

AlbertWu · Jun 12, 2002, 03:42 PM

uh... ok

MikeM32 · Jun 12, 2002, 06:05 PM

Damn chris_h maybe you should leave these boards. This post is about the sickest shiznit I've ever read.

I look forward to you returning to your good old self again (hopefully).

Mike

juanvaldes · Jun 12, 2002, 06:19 PM

flatcatch · Jun 13, 2002, 12:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chris_h:
I dare any of you who are of the male persuasion to read this and not get queezy:<hr /></blockquote>My god... are you talking about your new sig? 'Cause if so, hell ya I get queezy just looking at it! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Stogieman · Jun 13, 2002, 12:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by boots:
A couple of things made me go "huh?" (I mean besides the obvious getting whacked.)

1st) the psychologist is a womens studies prof at UM...good person to be explaining men's psyches.

2nd) What the hell did the guy put them in the fridge for. A late night snack? I know Mt. Oysters are popular in some places, but puleeze!

WTF<hr /></blockquote>3rd)

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> told police Saturday he had finished the procedure and the two men were enjoying a postoperative piece of pie when the Birmingham man started laughing.

Then he started bleeding.

The men couldn't stanch the flow. At about 5 a.m. the newly castrated man stepped out to the street. <hr /></blockquote>That's really weird. What the f*ck is he doing eating pie that early in the morning?

Tigerabbit · Jun 13, 2002, 01:09 AM

Sounds like someone hacked the Detroit Free Press and stuck in a couple of fake stories instead of defacing the Index page.

I'll look for this in print tomorrow. If nothing else, we'll get a good laugh at watching the two guys at work squirm.

MikeM32 · Jun 13, 2002, 01:52 AM

I guess someone really wanted to collect some weiners eh?

<img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

Mike