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do you still have to consummate a marriage for it to be legal?
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Nov 2, 2003, 02:05 AM
 
or is that some bizarre old law?
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 02:09 AM
 
Really, who would want to check if you did?

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Nov 2, 2003, 02:25 AM
 
No. Are you trying to get out of one?
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 05:50 AM
 
No, but if you don't consummate it within 4 months, then one of the couple can ask for an annulment without having to get the other to agree.

Or something like that. I think it's a church thing.


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Nov 2, 2003, 05:54 AM
 
Even if the answer is yes, I don't think there are too many people out there in danger of their marriage not being legal.
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 06:28 AM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
or is that some bizarre old law?
i'll do it for you...if she's ugly i'll have to charge you tho...

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Nov 2, 2003, 01:16 PM
 
Originally posted by zigzag:
No. Are you trying to get out of one?
LOL that was the first thing that popped into my mind!
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 02:03 PM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
or is that some bizarre old law?
It may still be on the books in some places, but if so then it's one of those bizarre old laws that no one ever bothers to enforce because even most lawyers have forgotten them.

However, the idea of an unconsummated marriage being invalid does pop up in the courts from time to time, usually involving estate disputes. The Anna Nicole Smith case is a recent example of that; her husband's children saw her (probably rightly) as a gold-digger, and so when he left so much to her in his will, they were incensed and tried to fight it. The idea that they might not have consummated the marriage was one of the points they brought up; that her husband was basically manipulated into leaving her his estate while receiving none of the, erm, "benefits" of married life.
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Nov 2, 2003, 04:24 PM
 
Originally posted by zigzag:
No. Are you trying to get out of one?
no. not a personal question. however, if i were to have quantified my question clearly the thread wouldnt have been much fun now would it?

you were the person i was hoping would respond.

heres the story. a friend of mine got married. it probably should have never happened. according to him, after their wedding and the 6 months to a year or so before their status went to "seperated", they never "consummated" their marriage. i was under the impression that there was some legal clause in this. i figured you would know for sure. the wedding happened in vegas. they lived in detroit at the time.
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 04:33 PM
 
Marraige in the 20th century on was strictly a statement of incorperation for tax purposes so far as the law (eg government and judicial system) was concerned. When you get married, its the same as declaring two formerly seperate people are now a single corporate entitiy.

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Nov 2, 2003, 05:11 PM
 
One of my nephews friends was able to get out of a marriage because it was never consummated (the poor boy is gay, and he married whilst in denial).

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Nov 2, 2003, 05:42 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimmerman:
Marraige in the 20th century on was strictly a statement of incorperation for tax purposes so far as the law (eg government and judicial system) was concerned. When you get married, its the same as declaring two formerly seperate people are now a single corporate entitiy.
I don't see any government, judicial, or tax benefits to being married (unless you're a noncitizen married to a citizen, in which case it alters your immigration status and puts you on a faster track to citizenship--United States law, anyway).

maybe you could spell out some of the benefits for me.
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 05:46 PM
 
Originally posted by Mohammed Atef:
I don't see any government, judicial, or tax benefits to being married (unless you're a noncitizen married to a citizen, in which case it alters your immigration status and puts you on a faster track to citizenship--United States law, anyway).

maybe you could spell out some of the benefits for me.
Don't you simply pay less taxes over when your married?
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 08:08 PM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
no. not a personal question. however, if i were to have quantified my question clearly the thread wouldnt have been much fun now would it?

you were the person i was hoping would respond.

heres the story. a friend of mine got married. it probably should have never happened. according to him, after their wedding and the 6 months to a year or so before their status went to "seperated", they never "consummated" their marriage. i was under the impression that there was some legal clause in this. i figured you would know for sure. the wedding happened in vegas. they lived in detroit at the time.
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Nov 2, 2003, 08:10 PM
 
What if you only f*** her up the a**?
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Nov 2, 2003, 08:20 PM
 
Originally posted by l008com:
Don't you simply pay less taxes over when your married?
Actually, you pay more taxes than single people.

You get bumped into a higher tax bracket.

Called "The Marriage Penalty".
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 08:22 PM
 
My brother received a divorce based upon it not being consummated.

It was a weird story. They lived together and a few months before their marriage she said she wanted to stop having sex until they were married. That way the wedding night would be more special. Last sex he ever had with her. Never had any on his wedding night or after.

EDIT:

Forgot to add. His marriage was legal in the eyes of the court hence the need to have a divorce.

But it is a reason for divorce.

There are historical records of the pilgrims granting the women divorces because the husband wouldn't have sex with her.
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 08:33 PM
 
how can making two people have sex to make their marriage legal moral? or even constitutionally correct?
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 09:04 PM
 
Originally posted by fireside:
how can making two people have sex to make their marriage legal moral? or even constitutionally correct?
Try finding marriage in the constitution.

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Nov 2, 2003, 09:07 PM
 
how can the state force someone to have sex to make something legal? how can the state force someone to do something legal (without probable cause)?
     
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Nov 2, 2003, 09:47 PM
 
Originally posted by l008com:
What if you only f*** her up the a**?
Then that's where the baby comes out.


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Nov 2, 2003, 10:08 PM
 
Originally posted by Misanthrope:
Then that's where the baby comes out.
Yep. That's why some some girls during the prom every year give birth on the toilet... It's not until senior year until they let you in on the little secret

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Originally posted by fireside:
how can the state force someone to have sex to make something legal? how can the state force someone to do something legal (without probable cause)?
Why not?
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Originally posted by Misanthrope:
Then that's where the baby comes out.
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Nov 2, 2003, 11:07 PM
 
Originally posted by Kilbey:
My brother received a divorce based upon it not being consummated.

It was a weird story. They lived together and a few months before their marriage she said she wanted to stop having sex until they were married. That way the wedding night would be more special. Last sex he ever had with her. Never had any on his wedding night or after.

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Forgot to add. His marriage was legal in the eyes of the court hence the need to have a divorce.

But it is a reason for divorce.

There are historical records of the pilgrims granting the women divorces because the husband wouldn't have sex with her.
Not an annulment?

I think this is an issue if you are a practicing Catholic. As I understand it, nonconsummation is one of the grounds for an annulment, which means the marriage never happened and you can get married again within the church.
     
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Nov 3, 2003, 02:59 AM
 
Originally posted by The Ginger Rat:
Not an annulment?

I think this is an issue if you are a practicing Catholic. As I understand it, nonconsummation is one of the grounds for an annulment, which means the marriage never happened and you can get married again within the church.
Quite right. My parents marriage was annuled on grounds of non-consumation, yet my brother, sister and I were ruled legitimate. They did eventually get around to it (sort of). but the wedding night counted for something. Go figure.
My mother could then re-marry (or marry given that the first one now never happened) in the church.
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Nov 3, 2003, 03:19 AM
 
doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Catholicism, my cousin had a marriage anulled due to lack of consummation but she is not Catholic....and this was within the last few years
     
   
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