[goMac]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

His love has nothing to do with anything. The Cylons believe they are His new chosen race, and it's their job to rid the world(s) of Mankind. Please go back and re-watch the mini series as well as season 1.

Thanks.

God hasn't chosen a side. This has already been pointed out many times recently. In addition, it's been pointed out that "God" was one of the twelve original gods who wanted more power for himself.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Maybe they lumped it together here. The first two episodes were two hours, the third episode today was just one hour.

Probably. The mini started out with the old guy meeting #6 at the neutral zone, and she ends up blowing the place to pieces.

[RAILhead]

GoMac, I don't know what show you're watching, but I'm glad you seem to be enjoying it.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Are you serious? Have you even watched the show? Listened to the dialogue?

1. God made Man
2. Man made Cylons
3. Cylons killed Man
4. Man dispersed to 12 colonies
5. Man became ploytheistic
6. Cylons became monotheistic
7. Cylons are God new "Man"
8. Cylons are God's tool to destroy old, bad creation (Man)

Well, the Cylons also claim `God talks to them' and they seem to have some dissent among themselves, too.

Even more importantly, the Cylons know they are not full-fledged life-forms yet (they have said so quite clearly in the The Farm of the episode after that one: one of God's commandments is to procreate – something they are clearly unable to do. Copying is not procreation, either).

You also forget that man was apparently cast out by their Gods from Kobol.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Probably. The mini started out with the old guy meeting #6 at the neutral zone, and she ends up blowing the place to pieces.

If you mean the space-embassy where the blonde human looking Cylon robot seduces the ambassador and then detonates the embassy, then yes, that was the first episode they showed here (see my critique of that episode from last week).

[goMac]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

GoMac, I don't know what show you're watching, but I'm glad you seem to be enjoying it.

You need to read the Battlestar Wiki.

Also, the Cylons were created after the 12 colonies were formed. Your timeline is completely wrong. Human-Cylons have only been around for the last 5 years. Cylons have only been around for 40. Humans left Kobol 1000 years ago iirc.

Edit: Here are the two running theories on the timeline:
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Sacred_Scrolls

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Now being "religious" doesn't make much sense for robots. Robots don't have their own soul. They are just programmed to behave in a certain way. So it's a "fake" religious feeling and the robots must know it. And the humans wouldn't have to fight against the robots. Just reprogram them and - boom - problem solved. You also get your slaves back as a side effect. I bet that blonde robot would sell great as house maid.

Uh

So, I think that fighting against another evil human is more interesting than fighting against simply malprogrammed robots. (But to be fair, I hated the episodes on earth in the original series. The other ones were quite fun to watch though.)

Huh? From the opening sequence: "The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled." They're not "simply malprogrammed robots." The idea of robots that gain sentience and question their "humanity" is a pretty standard science fiction staple.

It sounds like you would fit right in on the Pegasus! (sorry, Season 2 reference).

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by goMac

God hasn't chosen a side. This has already been pointed out many times recently. In addition, it's been pointed out that "God" was one of the twelve original gods who wanted more power for himself.

When was that pointed out?

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

You also forget that man was apparently cast out by their Gods from Kobol.

Actually, this hasn't been confirmed. In the orig series, Man left Kobol due to overpopulation and pollution. They then settled on the 13 different planets.

In the current series, the most we have to go on is that there was supposedly some type of conflict and Man was told that any return would require a "price in blood." We will learn, though, that the history Man currently believes is far from the truth, and all of Mankind's survivors believe nothing but a myth. The Kobol myth is nothing but a smokescreen for hiding Man's true history.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

When was that pointed out?

I'm actually looking for that right now. It was pointed out again recently when Baltar was talking to Six. Baltar was questioning gods motives because it didn't seem like he was doing a very good job of destroying the fleet. It seemed a lot of the stuff Baltar was doing as the hand of god was helping the Galactica fleet sometimes, and it seemed like some actions were hurting the Cylons greatly. Six admonished Baltar and told him that God isn't on anyones side.

I don't want to spoil anything, but a coming of series of episodes will show again that God has nothing against the humans.

Here is the quote:
"God doesn't take sides. He only wants your love. Open your heart to him and he'll show you the way." -- internal Six, The Hand of God

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by goMac

You need to read the Battlestar Wiki.

Also, the Cylons were created after the 12 colonies were formed. Your timeline is completely wrong. Human-Cylons have only been around for the last 5 years. Cylons have only been around for 40. Humans left Kobol 1000 years ago iirc.

Edit: Here are the two running theories on the timeline:
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Sacred_Scrolls

Yes, the Cylons were created after the colonies dispersed. Everything else I said still stands.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Yes, the Cylons were created after the colonies dispersed. Everything else I said still stands.

Huh? Your whole timeline was based on the Cylons living on Kobol.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by goMac

Huh? Your whole timeline was based on the Cylons living on Kobol.

Come on, now. I never said anything about Cylons living ANYWHERE.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

When was that pointed out?

From http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/R...welve_Colonies:

In a scene cut from the episode "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I", Elosha states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when "one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began."

I don't remember anything suggesting that the Cylons' God necessarily had anything to do with the Lords of Kobol, though.

EDIT: Although I just realized that if, as according to the Colonials' philosophy of the Cycle of Time (everything repeats), the Cylons, believing that they are superior to Man, are repeating (metaphysically, at least) the uprising against the creator (Zeus) that occured at Kobol, it would make sense that their God is the original "jealous god" that Elosha described.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Actually, this hasn't been confirmed. In the orig series, Man left Kobol due to overpopulation and pollution. They then settled on the 13 different planets.

They said so while being on Kobol at the end of season 1.

While you are right that it is a myth, so to speak, a lot has come true. Still, I share your objection that everything in the Scrolls should be taken at face value. Nevertheless, that's what was said.

[goMac]

My guess at the timeline is something like this:

God created mankind and mankind lived with him on Kobol. The humans appointed twelve leaders to work with God and brings Gods word to everyone and manage the local cable company. One of the twelve leaders wanted to rival God's power and rule for himself, and he convinced the other 11 lords to follow him promising them more power. The war on Kobol began, and in the end, God exiled all of humanity. God condemned the corrupt twelve lords to be killed. The followers of each of the twelve lords left to go find a colony each for themselves. One group was so disgusted with what had happened that they no longer wished to have anything to do with the followers of the twelve lords and set off on the exact opposite direction. The followers of the twelve lords settle on the twelve colonies, while the 13th group settles on Earth. The twelve colonies re-write history without god, elevating their own twelve lords to being gods. Also, in order to mask their sins, the 13th group is now a "lost tribe" instead of the dissenting tribe.

The twelve colonies never give up their dream of playing god though, and in their efforts to be gods they bring destruction upon themselves. Now realizing the error of their ways they seek out the 13th splinter group for help. With mankind now reunited and fully aware of how they have sinned, mankind as a whole has reached a point of redemption in God's eyes. God decides to help the newly redeemed mankind, however, he will destroy the evil by destroying the whole universe. In the end he chooses twelve people who he sees as best showing a quality that is part of mankind. He brings them to Kobol to live with him, while he destroys the rest of the universe, essentially bringing everything back to a clean slate. The twelve survivors are made the new twelve lords of Kobol, and are allowed to repopulate mankind. The cycle then repeats.

The cylons have figured out this cycle. They also know that when God destroys the universe they will be destroyed. They look at humans and see an ungrateful people that don't even know how much god loves them, despite how much they sin. They believe they could be a better mankind for god, and that they are more deserving of being saved from the end of the universe. To this degree they decide that they want to replace mankind in the cycle, and be the ones that God chooses to live with him on Kobol in the end. So they then strive to become more human. They build 12 cylons that would act as a more loyal 12 lords of Kobol. Each of these cylons exemplifies some sort of human nature, like what god wants from the twelve survivors. Then the cylons know that in order to be the ones chosen by god they will need to be able to repopulate after the universe ends. God needs a people that can repopulate the galaxy after he cleanses it. As a final act of proving themselves to god, they decide to take it upon themselves to wipe out the descendants of the twelve lords of Kobol that sinned against god.

So the cylons attack the twelve colonies and destroy them. However, this fails to win God's approval. God feels sorry for his waylaid children, not angry. Not only that, but not all the people living in the twelve colonies are sinners. A small group escapes. This small group begins to ask themselves if they are really sinners and begins looking for forgiveness. They also begin to seek out Earth, setting in motion the reuniting of mankind, the end of the galaxy, and mankind's return to Kobol to live with God. The Cylons now realize that they've been acting as god's instrument to bring mankind back to him. This puts the Cylons in an interesting position. If they take strong action against the fleet, they will be attacking God's chosen people and therefore attacking God. If they stop attacking the survivors they might be giving up their chance to win over God as being the people more deserving of God's approval. If the human fleet reaches Earth this will start the apocalypse. But the fleet has to reach Earth to start the apocalypse so that the Cylon's can be taken to Kobol. So, for the most part currently, they sit and whine about how much mankind doesn't deserve god's love.

Just my theory on it. Hope it made some sense.

[SpaceMonkey]

Interesting. I'm not sure I like the idea that the singular God is so active and distinct a figure (wouldn't he see how destructive and futile the cycle continues to be?). I guess it depends on whether you think the cycle of events is a literal cycle of continuing exodus and re-population of Kobol, or if you think it is like the more metaphorical cycle that I talked about a few posts up.

[I Bent My Wookiee]

What was the story with the original?

[greenamp]

Originally Posted by goMac

My guess at the timeline is something like this:

God created mankind and mankind lived with him on Kobol. The humans appointed twelve leaders to work with God and brings Gods word to everyone and manage the local cable company. One of the twelve leaders wanted to rival God's power and rule for himself, and he convinced the other 11 lords to follow him promising them more power. The war on Kobol began, and in the end, God exiled all of humanity. God condemned the corrupt twelve lords to be killed. The followers of each of the twelve lords left to go find a colony each for themselves. One group was so disgusted with what had happened that they no longer wished to have anything to do with the followers of the twelve lords and set off on the exact opposite direction. The followers of the twelve lords settle on the twelve colonies, while the 13th group settles on Earth. The twelve colonies re-write history without god, elevating their own twelve lords to being gods. Also, in order to mask their sins, the 13th group is now a "lost tribe" instead of the dissenting tribe.

The twelve colonies never give up their dream of playing god though, and in their efforts to be gods they bring destruction upon themselves. Now realizing the error of their ways they seek out the 13th splinter group for help. With mankind now reunited and fully aware of how they have sinned, mankind as a whole has reached a point of redemption in God's eyes. God decides to help the newly redeemed mankind, however, he will destroy the evil by destroying the whole universe. In the end he chooses twelve people who he sees as best showing a quality that is part of mankind. He brings them to Kobol to live with him, while he destroys the rest of the universe, essentially bringing everything back to a clean slate. The twelve survivors are made the new twelve lords of Kobol, and are allowed to repopulate mankind. The cycle then repeats.

The cylons have figured out this cycle. They also know that when God destroys the universe they will be destroyed. They look at humans and see an ungrateful peo