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Eug Wanker · Feb 12, 2006, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I thought Dee was a jerk. Billy gives his life for her and the next and only thing we see from her the whole episode was her fawning over Lee. You think she would have gone to see the body or given her condolences or something.

Originally Posted by I Bent My Wookiee

I liked this episode buy I hate Dee more that I did before. Billy bites it and she is in the hospital still drooling over Lee? Space Hoe.

Nah. She was bawling her eyes out initially, and then later at Apollo's bedside she seemed to protecting him from the news.

I suppose they could have did a better take for the scene though.

I haven't listened to the podcast... I wonder if Moore talks about it in there.

Corpse of Chewbacca · Feb 12, 2006, 02:25 AM

Whoa, Billy is dead! I am assuming he had a gun that whole time? Why didn't he use it to take out the last two terrorists while they had their backs turned? Seems like that would have been the best time. Weird.

I went Rosalin's pain. That was a mother's grief. Dramatic. Now let's get back to Cylon fighting! Also, all this stuff with Sharon is leading up to something pretty climatic. Is her baby gonna have 2 heads or something?!?!

Eug Wanker · Feb 12, 2006, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Corpse of Chewbacca

Whoa, Billy is dead!

Whoa, Chewy is dead!

I am assuming he had a gun that whole time?

He did not.

I went Rosalin's pain.

?

That was a mother's grief. Dramatic.

I think she did do a pretty good job this episode.

I Bent My Wookiee · Feb 12, 2006, 02:39 AM

So do you think Sharon is actually helping them or is she leading them? I am thinking leading as she is very selective about the info she shares.

Corpse of Chewbacca · Feb 12, 2006, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Whoa, Chewy is dead!

I know!

He did not.

Where did it come from?

?

??

I think she did do a pretty good job this episode.

agreed. the way she played with dead billy's hair was just like a mother. dramatic. good.

Kr0nos · 09:07 AM

This show is really starting to jump the shark.

What's up with the stupid pseudo political melodrama? This is supposed to be a Sci-Fi series and not "24 in Space".

I hope the next couple of series focus on fighting the Cylons and trying to get to...well where ever they were going in Season 1.

It also needs more hawt n00dness involving Six and/or Starbuck.

JoshuaZ · Feb 12, 2006, 07:20 AM

The show is a soap opera in space. In the same way Star Trek was. Not every show has to be filled with 45 minutes of techno mombo jumbo and explosions.

Kr0nos · Feb 12, 2006, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

Not every show has to be filled with 45 minutes of techno mombo jumbo and explosions.

No, some gratuitous nudity here and there is nice as well.

Stradlater · Feb 12, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Corpse of Chewbacca

Where did it come from?

One of the terrorists had an extra gun waggling out of the brim of his pants. Billy noticed this awhile back, shortly after Lee was shot. Dee noticed Billy noticing, and told him not to even think about it—that he had no training in using one of those things. Nevertheless, when Dee was in trouble, Billy ran to grab the gun and immediately fired.

ThinkInsane · Feb 12, 2006, 12:39 PM

I liked that they threw in the "conspiracy theory" that a Cylon had used a contact to get in to the defense ministry or what ever it was. I would assume that they were referring to Baltar and Six. It'll be interesting to see how they develop that further down the road. I don't get the impression that they would use something like that just for dialogue, but more as the first stop on the way to a new plot point.

Eug Wanker · Feb 12, 2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Nah. She was bawling her eyes out initially, and then later at Apollo's bedside she seemed to protecting him from the news.

I suppose they could have did a better take for the scene though.

I haven't listened to the podcast... I wonder if Moore talks about it in there.

Yup, I just listened to the podcast, and that was the intent in the writing of that scene.

However, given the reaction here, it does seem something was missing in the way the scene was done.

Lateralus · Feb 17, 2006, 10:58 PM

Ahhhh... A break from the so-so episodes, finally.

greenamp · Feb 17, 2006, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lateralus

Ahhhh... A break from the so-so episodes, finally.

Hot damn what a great ep

Pagasus can sit there vs 3 Basestars and manage to cripple 1 of them before having to jump? Frackin'-A it is the Beast.
Can't wait till next week!

Teronzhul · Feb 17, 2006, 11:02 PM

I thought Pegasus was going to be lost this episode, but it looks like it will be around for a while longer. And with the change in command, it'll be difficult to destroy it. I just don't see the new commander getting written out of the show.

greenamp · Feb 17, 2006, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Teronzhul

I thought Pegasus was going to be lost this episode, but it looks like it will be around for a while longer. And with the change in command, it'll be difficult to destroy it. I just don't see the new commander getting written out of the show.

Yeah if anything this kinda assures us Pegasus will be a permanent fixture. With Lee being in command the writers can integrate it better in the show. And the way he handled the command vs the Basestars he's sure to have the crews respect.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 18, 2006, 12:04 PM

Wow 217 was a great episode, finally. The show works much better when they involve all the characters.

I found it predictable again but at least it was entertaining. I saw the lee in command coming for a mile and now I REALLY don't want "the beast" to get nuked. I hope they keep her into next season.

ThinkInsane · Feb 18, 2006, 12:18 PM

Where the hell are the senior officers on these ships? Seriously, they show skippers and XO's and that's it for senior officers. And there must not be any more, otherwise they wouldn't be promoting a guy that had just made Major again and giving him his own ship. Doesn't fit in with Moore's aircraft carrier analogy. Giving the command to Lee seems like pure nepotism, nothing more. Not to mention it must be playing hell with the Pegasus crew, having three skippers in such a short amount of time.

But hey, it's TV, so whatever. As someone stated above, I too thought the Pegasus was done in this episode, and if Lee hadn't been on board, I would have sworn it's destruction was imminent. Pretty good episode overall though. I'm looking forward to the podcast.

jcadam · Feb 18, 2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

Where the hell are the senior officers on these ships? Seriously, they show skippers and XO's and that's it for senior officers. And there must not be any more, otherwise they wouldn't be promoting a guy that had just made Major again and giving him his own ship. Doesn't fit in with Moore's aircraft carrier analogy. Giving the command to Lee seems like pure nepotism, nothing more. Not to mention it must be playing hell with the Pegasus crew, having three skippers in such a short amount of time.

But hey, it's TV, so whatever. As someone stated above, I too thought the Pegasus was done in this episode, and if Lee hadn't been on board, I would have sworn it's destruction was imminent. Pretty good episode overall though. I'm looking forward to the podcast.

Nepotism - I was thinking the same thing. Of course, historically, good performers could get promoted quickly during wartime when more experienced officers were in short supply/getting killed off.

gumby5647 · Feb 18, 2006, 03:03 PM

Gods Damnit I Love This Show!!!!

Eriamjh · Feb 18, 2006, 03:58 PM

This was better than last week's, but still very slow.

Pegasus will likely be around for the whole season. Expect some big attack or two-parter to wipe it out or make it less important. It's Battlestar Galactica, not Battlestar Pegasus. They can't keep it around too long.

My wife hates this show. It is WAY too boring. I like it, but have to agree with her on the boring part.

cpt kangarooski · Feb 18, 2006, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

Where the hell are the senior officers on these ships? Seriously, they show skippers and XO's and that's it for senior officers. And there must not be any more, otherwise they wouldn't be promoting a guy that had just made Major again and giving him his own ship. Doesn't fit in with Moore's aircraft carrier analogy. Giving the command to Lee seems like pure nepotism, nothing more. Not to mention it must be playing hell with the Pegasus crew, having three skippers in such a short amount of time.

But hey, it's TV, so whatever. As someone stated above, I too thought the Pegasus was done in this episode, and if Lee hadn't been on board, I would have sworn it's destruction was imminent. Pretty good episode overall though. I'm looking forward to the podcast.

Yeah, I think it's silly.

However, according to Cain, at the time of the attack, Pegasus was in dock for an overhaul, and a lot of their crew was going to go on leave. Pegasus lost over 700 men in the time it took her to get from her quarters to her CIC. It's possible that a lot of the officers were already off the ship and so Pegasus has been light on officers. Galactica, meanwhile, was just about to be decommissioned, and had already gotten rid of some things, such as their ammo (which is why they had to resupply in the pilot). So they may have lost quite a few of their officers to transfers.

Plus of course, Adama wants someone he can trust to run Pegasus. Cain was dangerous, the next guy was a crook, and the guy after that wasn't fit to command the ship. Apollo has some experience leading people, is pretty trustworthy (even if he disagrees with Adama, as happened at the end of season 1, he'd still try to do the right thing), and probably got a good reputation when he helped to save Pegasus in this last ep.

Tigh can't get the job since he's no good at being anything more than an XO. But there really should've been someone else to fit the bill. Maybe they spent so much on effects that they couldn't hire another actor for it.

greenamp · Feb 18, 2006, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

This was better than last week's, but still very slow.

Pegasus will likely be around for the whole season. Expect some big attack or two-parter to wipe it out or make it less important. It's Battlestar Galactica, not Battlestar Pegasus. They can't keep it around too long.

My wife hates this show. It is WAY too boring. I like it, but have to agree with her on the boring part.

The show isn't about a space ship. It's about 50,000 humans dealing with life after an apocalypse. Having another battlestar in the mix changes nothing. Especially now that both are commanded by Adamas. It merely opens up the writing potential a bit.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 18, 2006, 06:42 PM

Ok this is from the nerd in me. On the Pegasus it seems it has 4 hanger decks (2 on each "wing"). It also looked like the bottom port they land upsidedown! That's pretty cool as in every other Sci-fi show they act as if there is only one way up or down.

ThinkInsane · Feb 18, 2006, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by jcadam

Nepotism - I was thinking the same thing. Of course, historically, good performers could get promoted quickly during wartime when more experienced officers were in short supply/getting killed off.

True, good officers can get bumped up quick in war time, but have you ever seen anything on this show that makes Apollo look like a particularly good officer? I think this is the first episode where he acts like an officer at all. I wouldn't be thrilled to have him as my CO.

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Ok this is from the nerd in me. On the Pegasus it seems it has 4 hanger decks (2 on each "wing"). It also looked like the bottom port they land upsidedown! That's pretty cool as in every other Sci-fi show they act as if there is only one way up or down.

That was a pretty cool shot.

Dale Sorel · Feb 18, 2006, 10:33 PM

Here's the description for next week's episode off my TiVo:

On Caprica, the reincarnated Number Six and the Sharon who shot Adama become heroes of the Cylon; a human-Cylon hybrid is born on Galactica.

I can't wait

Eug Wanker · Feb 18, 2006, 11:23 PM

OK. It's about friggin' time. I was really starting to lose interest in the show... until this episode.

P.S. I finally got the first 10 episodes of Season 2 on DVD. The last time around, Canada Customs sent it back.

Too bad the video quality is just as mediocre as last season's.

Why the frack is so bad? They shoot it HD so it should be much better.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 19, 2006, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

Here's the description for next week's episode off my TiVo:

I can't wait

it is also told from the Cylon point of view. Should be awesome!

But I thought they wouldn't be re-encarnated anymore?

greenamp · Feb 19, 2006, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

it is also told from the Cylon point of view. Should be awesome!

But I thought they wouldn't be re-encarnated anymore?

Just the ones too far away from the homeworld. The Sharon that shot Adama was killed before they destroyed the Resurection ship aswell.

JoshuaZ · Feb 19, 2006, 09:53 AM

I thought this was a really good ep. Honestly, last weeks ep wasn't all that interesting. Terrorists take over a bar because of revenge. Eh. This week was interesting. We get to see some stuff get blown up (good for the gun ho guys), we got to see some crazy political stuff happening (good for the drama crowd), and we got to see friends dealing with issues (good for the "I wish I had a girlfriend who flew a viper and fracked me every once in a while crowd).

Eug Wanker · 12:49 PM

No podcast this week? Too bad, because I was looking forward to it, given that this is the first decent episode in quite some time.

I didn't really expect the change-in-command thing, when I started watching the episode. I was kinda expecting Pegasus to be blown up. The change-in-command thing didn't become obvious to me until halfway thru the episode. This makes for good future episodes... Pegasus's attributes are really highlighted in this episode. It goes up against 3 basestars, and makes one scurry away with its tail between its legs.

I really liked Baltar's manipulation of the prez too.

EDIT:

EPISODE 217: "THE CAPTAIN'S HAND"
• Due to technical difficulties, Ronald Moore was unable to record this episode's podcast in time for broadcast.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 19, 2006, 12:46 PM

The question is how are they going to get StarBuck and Lee off the Pegasus before it is nuked.

greenamp · Feb 19, 2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

The question is how are they going to get StarBuck and Lee off the Pegasus before it is nuked.

Starbuck is taking over as CAG on Galactica. And Lee needs to visit his dad and his cute little honey every once in a while

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 19, 2006, 01:33 PM

So why do you think Pegusus will get nuked? Will Baltar be involved and do it to win presidency somehow? Will Gina do it all on her own with the terrorist group she is in?

greenamp · Feb 19, 2006, 01:50 PM

I actually don't think The Beast™ will get nuked anytime soon, at least not until she cranks out a bunch of new raptors/vipers or something which will be a while. To me it seems like the past 2 or 3 episodes were purely meant to develop Lee into the kinda guy who we would believe could easily command a Battlestar (The bar holdup, the black market eps ). And if his command were to only last a couple episodes, why even bother with stinky character development eps in the 1st place?

I dunno, I get the feeling the writers are trying to make Pegasus something of a permanent figure. Gina nuking Pegasus seems way too predictable.

On the other hand, I think Baltar's involvement with Six on Caprica will be exposed by Rosyln for political reasons. This will tank his chances of winning, and will basically solidify his allegiance against the fleet.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 19, 2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by greenamp

I actually don't think The Beast™ will get nuked anytime soon, at least not until she cranks out a bunch of new raptors/vipers or something which will be a while. To me it seems like the past 2 or 3 episodes were purely meant to develop Lee into the kinda guy who we would believe could easily command a Battlestar (The bar holdup, the black market eps ). And if his command were to only last a couple episodes, why even bother with stinky character development eps in the 1st place?

I dunno, I get the feeling the writers are trying to make Pegasus something of a permanent figure. Gina nuking Pegasus seems way too predictable.

On the other hand, I think Baltar's involvement with Six on Caprica will be exposed by Rosyln for political reasons. This will tank his chances of winning, and will basically solidify his allegiance against the fleet.

I think the writers also gave Lee the Beast to get him out of the depression he was in.

I also think Rosyln will get desperate and try to expose baltar as a Cylon collaborator so he doesn't win.

Dale Sorel · Feb 19, 2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by greenamp

The Sharon that shot Adama was killed before they destroyed the Resurection ship aswell.

Don't forget that Tyrol's Sharon's memories made it into the Sharon in Galactica's brig.

Eriamjh · Feb 19, 2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by greenamp

The show isn't about a space ship. It's about 50,000 humans dealing with life after an apocalypse. Having another battlestar in the mix changes nothing. Especially now that both are commanded by Adamas. It merely opens up the writing potential a bit.

I guess boredom is a big problem after an apocalypse! The show would be boring no matter where they are!

The writing is good, the storylines are good, except it's all so BORING. I watch it because I want it to be interesting. I want to see something happen regarding the group back on Caprica. I want to see more about the stupid Cylon-huggers! I guess I gotta wait... and waiting is BORING!

The Pegasus episodes where great. Why can't more be like that?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 19, 2006, 02:59 PM

I don't think the show is boring at all. It is slow but I like slow.

If you think it is boring you should stop watching it like I did with Lost. Now that was a snooze.

Stradlater · Feb 19, 2006, 03:30 PM

I don't find it boring. The characters keep me interested in their relationships, and I--generally--like the plot a lot.

The show that's boring me lately is Lost. I'm losing interest in the characters AND the storylines--it's all just blah.

Corpse of Chewbacca · Feb 20, 2006, 07:30 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but did they kill off three successive Pegasus commanders three episodes in a row?

If so, whoa!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 20, 2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Corpse of Chewbacca

Correct me if I am wrong, but did they kill off three successive Pegasus commanders three episodes in a row?

If so, whoa!

I told ya, they are all Redshirts.

Eug Wanker · Feb 20, 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I told ya, they are all Redshirts.

Apollo's next?

JoshuaZ · Feb 20, 2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Apollo's next?

He's fine as long as he doesn't go on any away missions.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 20, 2006, 09:54 PM

Now those are photoshop skillz

Eug Wanker · Feb 20, 2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Now those are photoshop skillz

My ps skillz pwn j00!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 20, 2006, 11:01 PM

That's better

SpaceMonkey · Feb 21, 2006, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

Where the hell are the senior officers on these ships? Seriously, they show skippers and XO's and that's it for senior officers. And there must not be any more, otherwise they wouldn't be promoting a guy that had just made Major again and giving him his own ship. Doesn't fit in with Moore's aircraft carrier analogy.

I thought, in modern aircraft carrier operations, that the CAG is a senior officer? Galactica's original CAG (before Lee showed up) was a major.

Chuckit · Feb 21, 2006, 12:54 PM

Next episode looks like it will be interesting. Maybe it just shows how little I remember of last season that I'm looking forward to a Boomer plot, but it looks cool.

SpaceMonkey · Feb 21, 2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Next episode looks like it will be interesting. Maybe it just shows how little I remember of last season that I'm looking forward to a Boomer plot, but it looks cool.

Heh. Yeah. I was starting to feel a little sorry for Grace Park, since the writers haven't been giving her much to do. I figured they would eventually re-introduce the original sleeper-agent Boomer after her consciousness was transferred, but I didn't expect them to take this long to get around to it.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 21, 2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Heh. Yeah. I was starting to feel a little sorry for Grace Park, since the writers haven't been giving her much to do. I figured they would eventually re-introduce the original sleeper-agent Boomer after her consciousness was transferred, but I didn't expect them to take this long to get around to it.

She should just be happy they didn't kill her off completely.