[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

I don't think that Starbuck's baby is really hers or necessarily a hybrid. Based on her age, she would be much older than Hera and Hera would not be the "first". Starbucks baby is probably not a cylon/hybrid or not hers. Two hybrids reduces Hera's importance. The writers know better than that.

Or, Starbuck's kid is one of the unknown models. Her injury was rather convenient and was quite effective at changing Starbuck's attitude.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Oh you're right. Good, I like the Pegasus better.

And then the show would have to change names to Battlestar Pegasus

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Lazy bastards.

They can make robots roam the streets and gigantic space battles but think a beard will look fake?

Well, in all honesty, I think the CG centurians look incredibly fake too.

Anyways, they said the beard would look fake. But then again, they did the fat suit for Apollo, and that looks pretty fake too. It's like he has the mumps, but only on one side of his face.

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Or, Starbuck's kid is one of the unknown models. Her injury was rather convenient and was quite effective at changing Starbuck's attitude.

The writers have already gone on record to say it's her kid.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Eug

The writers have already gone on record to say it's her kid.

I didn't think they had. Linkage?

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Eug

The writers have already gone on record to say it's her kid.

Where? On the podcast they mentioned it was her and a follow up to the farm episode but they could just be wanting us to be fooled just like starbuck has.

[Eug]

Well he says Casey is the result of Starbuck's missing ovary, although I don't think he says Leoben is the father.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Eug

Well he says Casey is the result of Starbuck's missing ovary, although I don't he says Leoben is the father.

I've seen it said she believes Casey is her kid, but they don't go as far to say that Casey is her kid.

[Eug]

Well, I must admit that saying that this is a result of the missing ovary can be construed as playing it a bit coy.

Cute kid BTW. She actually looks like the love child of Leoben and Starbuck, too.

[SirCastor]

It seems to me that it would have to be at least half human. We know Cylons and Humans can have kids. We know Cylons and Cylons can't have kids. And it appears that there aren't any children cyclons (as they download to adults)

I think it's Starbucks. I'm not sure if it's Leoben's. I don't doubt that the Cyclons would do it though.

BTW, has anyone noticed that everyone and their dog is married now? I'm all pro marriage, but Cally and Tyrel got Married, Dee and Lee got married, Starbuck and Anders got married, Sharon and Helo are married...
I guess a lot happens in a year...

[reader50]

I'm not sure if the dog is married.

But yeah, I noticed it with the others. Tori is available, and the original Boomer. Gaita seems to be single still too.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

So why is starbuck "special" like they keep mentioning even before she had the baby?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by SirCastor 

I think it's Starbucks. I'm not sure if it's Leoben's. I don't doubt that the Cyclons would do it though.

That's a good point. It could be Ander's.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by goMac 

That's a good point. It could be Ander's.

Why would they want it then?

Oh and I bet anders will die eventually.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker 

So why is starbuck "special" like they keep mentioning even before she had the baby?

Because she has a Minbari soul.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker 

Why would they want it then?

Oh and I bet anders will die eventually.

Dunno. Maybe they altered it or they want to mess with her head.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker 

So why is starbuck "special" like they keep mentioning even before she had the baby?

I've had a theory for awhile on why the Cylons are particularly interested in Starbuck.

Assume that one of the Cylon motives is to find the Gods and ask for their souls. I know that Leoban has claimed under interrogation to have a soul, but that is probably one of those things where you proclaim it loudly to quiet the doubting voices.

Say the Cylons feel that Humanity didn't pass on what it got. Perhaps the Cylons even did some basic tests. Had one group pray while working on a task, and a control group doesn't. If both groups finish at the same time, then there is something wrong with the connection upstairs.

So while the Cylons are infiltrating the colonies in preparation for the attack, some would be checking out temples. Magicians. Charlatans. Anyone who claims to have supernatural skills, in the hope that it's either a god in disguise, or a mortal partially descended from interbreeding with the gods. They apparently found nothing.

The next place to look would be on Kobol, and I still think the Cylons found Kobol before the fleet did, and even herded the fleet to Kobol. But they didn't find any gods hanging around there either. To Cylon logic, if the gods aren't at Kobol anymore, and they aren't at the 12 Colonies ... then they must have gone on to the 13th colony.

In the meantime, all they have to work with is looking for Humans that may have a trace of gods blood. They would look for anyone who beats the odds. Starbuck would come up high on any list like that.

• She can't seem to be beaten in a space fight, even by adaptive learning computers (raiders). Not without ridiculous odds.
• She gets shot down on an inhospitable moon, and comes back several hours after her oxygen runs out. Without having done the usual courtesy of dying first.
• She fought a model Six, which was both stronger and faster than her. Between two machines, the one with the higher specs usually wins. But in that case, Starbuck was the one who survived.
• She escaped the farm. No one else had.
• She escaped Cylon-occupied Caprica. No one else had since the fleet left.

Admittedly, she had some degree of help on most of those exploits. Still, if I were a Cylon looking for humans who show supernatural ability, I'd be watching Starbuck really closely. They grabbed an ovary. Now, they are trying to do another Helo-Sharon exercise. Get Starbuck in love, and get another hybrid kid. Or something like that.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Yeah, they shot some scenes weeks later, after they had shot some future episodes. By that time his beard had already been shaved.

They decided against doing the fake beard thing so they intentionally just glossed over it.

See, ever since I listened to the audio commentary on the first Kobol episode (Season 1, the one where Six shows Baltar the temple and tells him of their child), I've got slightly disillusioned.

Everything in this series seems so slick and seamless and makes so much sense, but alone in that one, there were some MAJOR storyline changes that stemmed from the simple fact that they didn't have the budget to actually build the temple.

Most of this thread seems a little silly in that light, what with people sweating over the meaning of details, most of which probably happened due to forty reasons other than intent, but just seem very consistent, because the writers/director/continuity are good enough to integrate them seamlessly later on, or because the audience WANTS to believe and will somehow construe meaning.

Like the Chief's beard. A production planning bung-up turns into "nice how he had time to shave in Cally's absence. It shows a touch of class."

Note that I'm not knocking the series - I think it's the best television I've seen since Futurama.


BTW, just noticed the ad at the top:

[Sparkletron]

Even when this series was interesting I always felt it was luck more than skill, particularly as kooky details continued to emerge regarding the Cylons and their religiosity and hybrid baby implantation machinations (I mean, jeez, if I wanted to watch shows about aliens impregnating humans I'd watch the History Channel).

The latest season seems to confirm this. Watching a bunch of Cylons in a room bickering over tactics and strategy is like watching a scripted conflict scene on "reality" TV. The occupation seems to me a thinly veiled scenario allowing the writers to make political commentary on the war in Iraq (suicide bombings, etc.). Having the two sides "switch", with the humans becoming cold and merciless and inhumane as they struggle to survive, as meanwhile the Cylons become more human, would have been an interesting twist if they could have pulled it off. But of course they couldn't.

It was better when we didn't know much about the Cylons, when they were alien and mysterious. The writers broke a cardinal rule by revealing way too much way too soon. Meanwhile. if they really wanted to be provocative, instead of suicide bombings, they should have had Starbuck take the baby, snap its neck, and hand it back.

-S

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by reader50