[Chuckit]

The original show was so Mormon, it's amazing the characters didn't all wear CTR rings.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

The original show was so Mormon, it's amazing the characters didn't all wear CTR rings.

Yeah. I'm by no means a Mormon nor have I ever been one but from what I do know of the Mormon faith, the Cylons seem to be using Mormon sounding phrases.

It really stands out in in one scene in particular where Six in Gaius's head talks of the Pythian prophesy right after the destruction of the Cylon mining facility and how things are the way they were before and will be again. That was sort of sounds like the Mormon stuff from the original series with the ship of lights and how they said that they had once been like the colonials and one day they would be like them too.

[Millennium]

Personally, I have my doubts that they'll ever really define what Baltar-Six and Six-Baltar really are. It's kind of like Hobbes from Calvin and Hobbes: defining just how 'real' they are would take a lot away from their characters.

[finboy]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I think there is something more to Baltar, but I don't think it's that he's a Cylon. There seems to be a general group of "special" people, but BSG wouldn't make it that easy on us and just call them Cylons.

I think that Baltar may have been the brains behind the original skin jobs. Cloning himself or engineering a copy may have been the work of a young Gaius.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

Aliens? Uh, dude... did you miss the dialog completely? I'm sensing that you feel uncomfortable with the whole Cylon god thing. You do realize that BSG is presented as fiction right? You can leave your prejudices at the door and enjoy it as a good show since it is presented as SciFi.

Speculation is great and all but you are going way out into left field here for some reason and straying away from the new BSG cannon. If you read what the producers, writers and principle actors say about the series, the series could be seen as a social commentary of tensions between different ideologies or religions.

If you know anything about the original BSG, the colonials in that series were sort of Mormons in space and the Cylons were just unemotional killing machines. With this new series, the colonials seem to be more pagan, believing in a pantheon of gods while the Cylons appear to be single-minded mono-theistic Mormons.

Glen Larson was known to be a member of the LDS church during the 80's at least and he produced the original series as well as being one of the producers of this new one.

Settle down. This is fiction, not the pol lounge, and has nothing to do with personal beliefs. We are speculating here, and trying to outguess the writers, which is an interesting exercise because these writers are pretty sharp.

Some outside party is interfering in Colonial and Cylon affairs. There have been assorted incidents, mostly in Season 1, that were not explainable with the visible parties. But those were all ambiguous, or implied Cylon manipulations happening in the background. The tent oracle incident is the first item that can't be accounted for by the visible parties. The Cylons didn't know Hera was alive, and only three Humans on the planet know (Roslin, Tory, Cottle). None of whom were likely to talk. It's not 100% certain that Adm. Adama knew, he's the only other real possibility. He's offworld, and not too likely to talk either.

It is implied to be gods, but we are very unlikely to see any of those on screen. They are too powerful, and tend to wrap everything up. That is not so good for storylines or character development. Also, they are a bit obvious at this point, and BSG likes to surprise.

On the other hand, aliens or machinations by unknown groups are distinct possibilities to be shown. RDM is on record that there will not be any aliens-of-the-week, ala Star Trek or the original BSG. That does not rule out aliens entirely, and it's a big galaxy. In the alternative, it may be possible to fix Tory up with a motive and opportunity somehow.

btw, your sensors need calibration. Having the Cylons go religious for thus-far unexplained reasons adds a great deal of spice to the show. I'm digging that the next few eps will include story arcs on the Cylon side of the fence, we'll finally get some more data to work with.

ps - Glen Larson is credited as a writer on the miniseries under a pseudonym, because RDM felt it was essentially his story retold. The new BSG also lists him as a "Consulting Producer", which looks suspiciously like a polite way to say "Creative Consultant". They accept his phone calls. It doesn't appear that he's done any actual production on the new show.

[ThinkInsane]

Enough out of you, you Mormon sympathizer!

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Edward Olmos has already said he's leaving the show the moment a bumpy headed alien shows up.

P.S. It seems that Battlestar Galactica is coming to HD DVD.

It's no longer listed, but a while back it was one of the "Coming Soon" titles on the Toshiba HD DVD public relations site. However, it seems it p!ssed off some studios because most of the titles listed hadn't officially been announced yet. So now the site only lists officially announced titles. Nonetheless, it does look like BSG is coming to HD.

[Dark Helmet]

Think about what Lucy Lawless said in the last episode.

If the Cylons just went away and let the humans live in piece what would happen? They would tell tales of how the evil Cylons came and nearly destroyed all humans and caused the survivors to become refugees in space. Humans will grow up resenting the cylons and one day venture out to get revenge.

The same thing was said at the end of the pilot.

So what could the solution be, either all humans are eliminated or all Cylons right?

I believe that is why the Cylons want to cross breed so badly. They want to show peaceful co-igsistance with hybrids, OR they want to have so many cylon babies mixed into the human population they they don't know which is which, OR they want the hybrids to live on earth when it is found and the humans can go back to the colonies (radiation permitting) OR all the humans and cylons die and only the hybrids can live on earth. Something along those lines.

[RAILhead]

Okay, this is TWICE today that someone used "piece" instead of "peace." First it was "piece of mind," and now it's "live in piece."

Is today dummkopf day at MacNN?

[paul w]

I just want to know what co-igsistance means. My guess is he's missing the x key.

[RAILhead]

Dang, I didn't make it that far.

[reader50]

Tonight looks like PayBack night. Anyone want to take bets on Gaita getting shot? Most everyone else has at some point.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by reader50 

Tonight looks like PayBack night. Anyone want to take bets on Gaita getting shot? Most everyone else has at some point.

I bet Jammer is a goner.

Perhaps it will even be Cali that busts him even though he saved her life (or tried).

Cali also blackmailed Baltar after he saved her life.

[bstone]

Let's not forget that there is now a known Cylon serving in the Colonial fleet who is married to a human (Sharon Agathon and Helo Agathon). They've already had one baby. Why not more? Young and fertile.

[Dark Helmet]

The writers have said the skinjobs are not replacements of real people and I think the rule for figuring out who MIGHT be a Cylon is the following:

1) People have only known them for 2 years or less.
2) They have no kids nor known parents.
3) They did not fight in the first Cylon war.

So that excludes:

1) Starbuck
2) Adama
3) Apollo
4) Laura
5) Cheif
6) Tigh
7) Ellen
8) Zerek

Off the top of my head the only possibilities are:

1) Dee
2) Gaita
3) Billy
4) Baltar ?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

The writers have said the skinjobs are not replacements of real people and I think the rule for figuring out who MIGHT be a Cylon is the following:

1) People have only known them for 2 years or less.

Cylons might have been in the colonies more than two years ago, don't you think?

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Cylons might have been in the colonies more than two years ago, don't you think?

Well so far the know Cylons like Six and Boomer only showed up 2 years before the attack and I think they have implied that was the start date.

That aside they still haven't have kids... UNLESS there is 2 models that are a child/parernt duo but I doubt it.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by bstone 

Let's not forget that there is now a known Cylon serving in the Colonial fleet who is married to a human (Sharon Agathon and Helo Agathon). They've already had one baby. Why not more? Young and fertile.

It's not outside the realm of possibility. When Dee asked Helo to "take care of the Admiral", Helo replied with something that the closed captions rendered as "take care of our son."

It is entirely possible that he actually said "take care of his son" (the Admiral's son, i.e. Lee) and the captioners just screwed up. That's been known to happen, and it's what my wife thinks happened. But it definitely got my attention.