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MRTrauffer · Oct 30, 2006, 06:50 PM

The colonization by the cylons was an "experiment" that was brought on by Caprica 6 and Sharon, an attempt to live together.

brapper · Oct 30, 2006, 07:29 PM

Wait, how did the cylons find New Caprica at all?
They kinda just showed up, and then the season ended.....

MRTrauffer · Oct 30, 2006, 07:32 PM

They were about a light year away, when they detected a radiation signature from a nuclear explosion. The nuke that destroyed Cloud 9.

So they found New Caprica "by accident".

brapper · Oct 30, 2006, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by MRTrauffer

They were about a light year away, when they detected a radiation signature from a nuclear explosion. The nuke that destroyed Cloud 9.

So they found New Caprica "by accident".

How freeeeeeaking convenient!

paul w · Oct 30, 2006, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by brapper

How freeeeeeaking convenient!

Baltar's fault for giving that 6 the nuke he had. Basically he's in some part responsible for 2 Cylon attacks/invasions. Despite his brilliance he's become quite the pawn of the Cylons. Tragic figure really.

I gather that the nuclear detonation's signature was fairly easy to detect for the Cylons. Not like it occurs very often in space, after all.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Oct 30, 2006, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by brapper

How freeeeeeaking convenient!

They way I understood it is that the radiation from the nuke travels at the speed of light so it took a year for it to expand to where they Cylons were and it isn't a large spike but a continues signal for a while.

So it wasn't like they just jumped 1 light year away at just the right time.

SirCastor · Oct 31, 2006, 12:12 AM

I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, (or if it will come up) but Gina, the 6 that set off the Bomb had to know somewhat that she wasn't going to be downloaded when it went off. It was a complete sacrifice for her own race (or maybe just bitterness against humanity...)

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Oct 31, 2006, 12:17 AM

Hey in the American trailer for next week did the show someone in a birthing pod and baltar walking around in a space suite plus Lawless saying "We've decided earth is going to be our new home".

Anywho, who was that in the birthing pod. It didn't look like 6.

SirCastor · Oct 31, 2006, 10:15 AM

Does it seem to anyone else like the cyclons really DON'T have a plan? Like they're really wandering around trying to get it all figured out? First it was destroy the human race, then it was co-exist.. now they want to live on earth? What is up with these people?

bstone · Oct 31, 2006, 10:21 AM

Anyone have a link for the trailers? For whatever reason I didn't get to see them.

Dark Helmet · Oct 31, 2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Does it seem to anyone else like the cyclons really DON'T have a plan? Like they're really wandering around trying to get it all figured out? First it was destroy the human race, then it was co-exist.. now they want to live on earth? What is up with these people?

Yes, I am hoping that is on purpose and not just bad writing like the X-Files.

Chuckit · Oct 31, 2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Does it seem to anyone else like the cyclons really DON'T have a plan? Like they're really wandering around trying to get it all figured out? First it was destroy the human race, then it was co-exist.. now they want to live on earth? What is up with these people?

They had a plan, which was to take humanity's place. It very nearly succeeded. Then Boomer and Six were all like, "Hey, guys, let's do this other thing instead." That plan didn't work as well, so now I think they're trying to figure out how to come back from loss.

Dark Helmet · Nov 1, 2006, 11:36 AM

Familiar looking person in this movie:

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aristotles · Nov 2, 2006, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by reader50

Settle down. This is fiction, not the pol lounge, and has nothing to do with personal beliefs. We are speculating here, and trying to outguess the writers, which is an interesting exercise because these writers are pretty sharp.

Speculation is fine but it leads to nowhere if it goes into left field and completely ignores the dialogue between the Oracle and Lucy Lawless and the countless other conversations involving the imaginary/real Caprica six and everything that Cylon obsessed with Kara said.

To buy your speculation we would have to completely ignore virtually everything any of the cylons have said in the series. If it's not about your personal beliefs or the lack there of, why would you choose to ignore all the dialogue up to this point? Is it because of the brothers? There are agnostic/atheist characters on both sides but they are in the minority.

Give us some solid reason why we should jump into left field with you.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 01:02 AM

Ok so gaita is not a Cylons, Taigh commented he has known him for 4 years.

Now here is a blast form the past. In the season one finalie i have a couple questions after watching it again.

1) How did the cylons not pick up the radiation from the nuke boomer delivered into the landing bay?

2) What was going on with the helmet off in the cylon ship? Was there air or wasn't there? How could there be if there was no forcefield? If there wasn't and she didn't need to breath how did she talk?

aristotles · Nov 2, 2006, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane

Enough out of you, you Mormon sympathizer!

Who is the Mormon sympathizer. Me? ROFLMAO I'm not a Mormon. Am I religious? Yes. I would definitely identify with the monotheistic characteristics of the cylons however.

Millennium · Nov 2, 2006, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

1) How did the cylons not pick up the radiation from the nuke boomer delivered into the landing bay?

They may have, but that basestar wasn't in orbit around New Caprica.

2) What was going on with the helmet off in the cylon ship? Was there air or wasn't there? How could there be if there was no forcefield? If there wasn't and she didn't need to breath how did she talk?

During the birth sequence, Doc Cottle remarks that the Cylons went to a lot of trouble to mimic humans, to the point where "they didn't upgrade the plumbing." He was talking about the reproductive system at the time, but it may be true for other systems as well. Boomer was a sleeper agent, programmed to think she was human; she probably would have started to question that if she didn't breathe.

This doesn't explain how exactly the Cylons keep air in their basestars when they don't seem to put doors on their launch bays. But it does mean there's air there.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

They may have, but that basestar wasn't in orbit around New Caprica.

I don't get what you are saying.

In Resurrection ship they make a point that they can't just jump the stealth ship in and nuke the basestar because the Cylons will pick up the radiation signature and jump away before they can shoot.

In the episode I am talking about a human Raptor shows up with a nuke signature and they let it land happily?

analogika · Nov 2, 2006, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by aristotles

Who is the Mormon sympathizer. Me? ROFLMAO I'm not a Mormon. Am I religious? Yes. I would definitely identify with the monotheistic characteristics of the cylons however.

Pull that broomstick out of your ass. It appears to have damaged the humor center of your brain.

goMac · Nov 2, 2006, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

In Resurrection ship they make a point that they can't just jump the stealth ship in and nuke the basestar because the Cylons will pick up the radiation signature and jump away before they can shoot.

They already knew the ship was in the landing bay. Whether or not they had a radiological alarm is irrelevant.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

They already knew the ship was in the landing bay. Whether or not they had a radiological alarm is irrelevant.

I don't follow. They would have picked it up the second it arrived especially since a wave of raiders flew by to check it out.

bstone · Nov 2, 2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I don't follow. They would have picked it up the second it arrived especially since a wave of raiders flew by to check it out.

They didnt seem too upset with a nuke coming into the Basestar. The other 6s were touching it and embracing it. Perhaps the Cylons were ok with being nuked? They didn't seem to make much of an effort to prevent it.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by bstone

They didnt seem too upset with a nuke coming into the Basestar. The other 6s were touching it and embracing it. Perhaps the Cylons were ok with being nuked? They didn't seem to make much of an effort to prevent it.

Either it was part of their vision somehow (convenient that only a bunch of #8's were outside the landing bay) or they just new by the point it was laying in the heart of the ship with nothing but some naked chicks around it they couldn't do anything about it within 5 seconds the had left. Especially since the skinjobs don't seem to have any sort of wireless communications to call a bombsquad.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 11:27 AM

Trisha Helfer isn't hosting Canada's next top model this year which is kinda sad

Don't know why but I think she was very intimidating, overly serious and harsh to the models but on the photo-shoots she lightened up and was an amazing art director and very personable.

In one episode she wore this creepy black dress that was all cleavage down to her belly button and she had black makeup around her eyes. She scared the hell out of me as she looked like something from Bladerunner or the Cylon ring leader.

Paco500 · Nov 2, 2006, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by bstone

They didnt seem too upset with a nuke coming into the Basestar. The other 6s were touching it and embracing it. Perhaps the Cylons were ok with being nuked? They didn't seem to make much of an effort to prevent it.

I think it's one of three explainations:

1) They knew a Cylon was in the ship and assumed she would not detonate the nuke.
2) They sacrificed the ship in order to "turn" Boomer.
3) It's just a TV show and is sometimes inconsistent.

I'm hoping it was reason 1 or 2.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Paco500

I think it's one of three explainations:

1) They knew a Cylon was in the ship and assumed she would not detonate the nuke.

I'm hoping it was NOT that one as there is no reason a Cylon agent in a tiny raptor needs a nuke on its belly.

Paco500 · Nov 2, 2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I'm hoping it was NOT that one as there is no reason a Cylon agent in a tiny raptor needs a nuke on its belly.

What I mean to say is that perhaps they assumed that as a Cylon, she would not do harm to the ship. Not necessarily a good assumption, but they are computers, and computers are basically stupid.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Paco500

What I mean to say is that perhaps they assumed that as a Cylon, she would not do harm to the ship. Not necessarily a good assumption, but they are computers, and computers are basically stupid.

Well perhaps I'll listen to the podcast. Not that big of a deal but I thought I was missing something obvious or it was just an oversight which they have had a couple in the past.

reader50 · Nov 2, 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

They way I understood it is that the radiation from the nuke travels at the speed of light so it took a year for it to expand to where they Cylons were and it isn't a large spike but a continues signal for a while.

So it wasn't like they just jumped 1 light year away at just the right time.

It would still be a large spike, but it would take a year to travel one lightyear. However, the Cylons are not telling the whole story. In order to "just happen" to have a ship outside the nebula, the Cylons would need to have a whole heck of a lot of ships doing survey work in the area.

They claimed they had let the humans go their separate way. So the Cylons either got stupendously lucky with one ship ... or they were burning up tylium poking around the fleet's last known location, trying to regain contact.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

...
Now here is a blast form the past. In the season one finalie i have a couple questions after watching it again.

1) How did the cylons not pick up the radiation from the nuke boomer delivered into the landing bay?

2) What was going on with the helmet off in the cylon ship? Was there air or wasn't there? How could there be if there was no forcefield? If there wasn't and she didn't need to breath how did she talk?

1) Sharon was coming in with one of the Cylon ID transponders installed in her Raptor. This would indicate a Cylon agent was on board and returning. I'm sure there was a radiological alarm, but the Baseship crew assumed Sharon was coming in with a stolen Colonial nuke.

From Bastille Day, we learn that Galactica only had 5 nukes left. One was issued to Dr. Baltar for the Cylon detector. With only 4 left, an agent who steals one is bringing in at least 25% of the Colonials strategic weapons. If you assume the radiological alarm can't distinguish between one or multiple nukes, then the returning agent might have all the Colonial nukes.

As Paco500 pointed out, this wasn't the best assumption to make. But the Cylons do seem to trust each other a great deal, and skip the internal security protocols that we would expect.

2) The inside of the bay is pressurized. No force fields, there are pressure doors at the bay enterance. You only get to see them for an instant, when the Raptor is going in. About 21 minutes into the DVD.

Apologies for the picture quality. It was very dark, and I had to boost the levels up a lot. I assume there were at least two doors, so the entire bay didn't have to be pressurized all at once. Probably a succession of doors so the pressure could be brought up gradually, also so the bay would remain operational even if 1-2 doors got shot up.

Dark Helmet · Nov 2, 2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by reader50

2) The inside of the bay is pressurized. No force fields, there are pressure doors at the bay enterance. You only get to see them for an instant, when the Raptor is going in. About 21 minutes into the DVD.

Phew, ok it was nice of them to open up the doors again as I guess they just thought the returning agent with the nuke wanted to go back to the fleet without the nuke.

reader50 · Nov 2, 2006, 04:00 PM

One does have to assume some serious communications breakdown there.

aristotles · Nov 2, 2006, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Pull that broomstick out of your ass. It appears to have damaged the humor center of your brain.

My humour is fine but that was not called for. Look for a message from a friendly neighbourhood mod.

If you have a problem with me, take it outside to a PM or better yet, tell it to your therapist.

ThinkInsane · 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by aristotles

My humour is fine but that was not called for. Look for a message from a friendly neighbourhood mod.

If you have a problem with me, take it outside to a PM or better yet, tell it to your therapist.

Actually, what Analogika was referring to was the fact that I was just poking a little fun at my good buddy Reader, based on your comment comment referring to his take on the religious aspect of the show. It's all good. I think. I don't have time to go back and look, as I am a very busy and dunk man.

EDIT: I probably should have quoted readers post, but since it immediately proceed mine, I didn't think it was necessary. My mistake. Sorruy if it caused confusion. Analogika got the good natured teasin, you didn't. My bad.

JoshuaZ · Nov 3, 2006, 04:20 AM

While reading last night it occurred to me that if this show does find earth, what will happen? Will it be like the old show, where they stumble across 1980s Earth? (which would be funny if they found 1980s earth) Clearly they can't play the old "Wagon Train in Space" theme forever?

Paco500 · Nov 3, 2006, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by JoshuaZ

While reading last night it occurred to me that if this show does find earth, what will happen? Will it be like the old show, where they stumble across 1980s Earth? (which would be funny if they found 1980s earth) Clearly they can't play the old "Wagon Train in Space" theme forever?

I think they can keep the "wagon train in space" thing for long enough. The series clearly can't last forever.

I think if they found earth it would pretty much end the dramatic tension and the the show would go downhill.

Dark Helmet · Nov 3, 2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Paco500

I think they can keep the "wagon train in space" thing for long enough. The series clearly can't last forever.

RDM has said he has always had a 5 year plan for the show.

reader50 · Nov 3, 2006, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

RDM has said he has always had a 5 year plan for the show.

I don't recall reading that anywhere, could you be thinking of JMS on B5? The only reference that I can recall is after Season 2, the writers were going to talk about more general story arcs. About where the series was going.

Dark Helmet · Nov 3, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by reader50

I don't recall reading that anywhere, could you be thinking of JMS on B5? The only reference that I can recall is after Season 2, the writers were going to talk about more general story arcs. About where the series was going.

No I am 100% positive he said it in an interview.

Millennium · Nov 3, 2006, 10:38 PM

"Who are the Final Five," huh? Is it me, or have the writers of this show started reading the wiki?

Wiskedjak · Nov 3, 2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Paco500

I think if they found earth it would pretty much end the dramatic tension and the the show would go downhill.

Which is pretty much what happened in the original series. It turned into a comedy after they found Earth.

Millennium · Nov 3, 2006, 11:02 PM

And, oh yeah; for lack of any better name, I hereby dub the hybrids "Homsar."

greenamp · 12:55 AM

Well, we learned from tonight's episode that the 7 with Six, Sharon, etc, "don't speak of the other 5" for some reason. Seems like there is some kind of contention between them, or something happened which caused a split.

We know that the Cylons rule by majority opinion amongst the human models, so could it be that the decision to invade Caprica and destroy the human race was not a unanimous decision, and the other 5 models were against it? Might this have caused the 7 to split from the 5? What if the 5 cylon models who were against destroying the humans consisted of some of the pivotal individuals like Adama, Roslyn, Baltar, Starbuck, etc?

Oh yeah and we learned that an FTL jump gives the hybrid an orgasm.

SpaceMonkey · Nov 4, 2006, 12:01 AM

Can someone tell me what "Athena" said right at the end there, when they realized they were sitting underneath the base ship? I missed it.

greenamp · Nov 4, 2006, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Can someone tell me what "Athena" said right at the end there, when they realized they were sitting underneath the base ship? I missed it.

She was quoting something from their religious texts I think. Something about, "and the mighty shall fall..."

chaddiman · Nov 4, 2006, 12:33 AM

Did anyone get the code for tonight?

goMac · Nov 4, 2006, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by greenamp

What if the 5 cylon models who were against destroying the humans consisted of some of the pivotal individuals like Adama, Roslyn, Baltar, Starbuck, etc?

I doubt it. I think the other 5 are different because they're not humanoid. I think we've seen the last of the human infiltration Cylons.

goMac · Nov 4, 2006, 01:11 AM

Did anybody else see Saul hearing Ellen's voice as maybe a sign that she could be in his head like Baltar's Six?

greenamp · Nov 4, 2006, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I doubt it. I think the other 5 are different because they're not humanoid. I think we've seen the last of the human infiltration Cylons.

The remaining 5 are humanoid. There are 12 humanoid models.

greenamp · Nov 4, 2006, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

Did anybody else see Saul hearing Ellen's voice as maybe a sign that she could be in his head like Baltar's Six?

Yeah I think that's what the writers were hinting at. Should be interesting to see what happens with Saul. I was sure there for a moment tonight that he was going to commit suicide.

goMac · Nov 4, 2006, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by greenamp

The remaining 5 are humanoid. There are 12 humanoid models.

I don't think they ever say that, and this episode told us the hybrid is one of the remaining 5.