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Battlestar Galactica [SPOILERS] (Page 39)
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Originally Posted by finboy 
Has anyone asked yet why Cylons can't just back themselves up before battle and then go in fearless?
It's already been established they value (their) lives too much to do suicide. And if not suicide, why backup? The ressurectionship is always at hand.
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Originally Posted by Ganesha
Wouldn't the Cylons have deactivated all of Athena's access codes by now? You think after she stole all the launch keys on NC they would of tightened up their network security.
Can they deactivate Athena's access codes? Although the Cylons do seem to have a concept of individual personalities, it is only in a very limited sense: they don't even use names among themselves. While the different Agents seem to be able to tell her apart from other Eights, we know for sure that the Centurions can't. Perhaps the Hybrid can't either: to "her" (does the concept of gender even really apply?), Athena may appear no different from any other Eight.
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They sure seem to have a concept of individuality. Athena dressed up as a "regular" Cylon while on New Caprica and she was recognized. Also, on the dying Basestar she was recognized by one of her own models and called a traitor.
Seems their abilities at recognition are just fine.
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Originally Posted by SirCastor
It's already been established they value (their) lives too much to do suicide.
Has it? Didn't several Cylons (including Six) do suicide missions in the first season?
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Originally Posted by bstone
They sure seem to have a concept of individuality. Athena dressed up as a "regular" Cylon while on New Caprica and she was recognized. Also, on the dying Basestar she was recognized by one of her own models and called a traitor.
Yes, the Agents can recognize individuals. The Centurions, however, cannot. They haven't said about the Hybrid, but consider the Cylon system of government: one person seems to tap into the hive-mind to represent all the Agents of its model, and the representatives meet as a council. It seems to be implied that any Agent could represent its own model, and they never state how representatives are picked.
Seems their abilities at recognition are just fine.
For the Agents, yes. For the centurions, no. For the hybrids? That's uncertain.
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Originally Posted by Millennium
Yes, the Agents can recognize individuals. The Centurions, however, cannot. They haven't said about the Hybrid, but consider the Cylon system of government: one person seems to tap into the hive-mind to represent all the Agents of its model, and the representatives meet as a council. It seems to be implied that any Agent could represent its own model, and they never state how representatives are picked.
For the Agents, yes. For the centurions, no. For the hybrids? That's uncertain.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
Has it? Didn't several Cylons (including Six) do suicide missions in the first season?
Hmm, I guess you're right. Doral did blow himself up early on.
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I was disappointed they didn't show any centurions on the sick basestar as it would have been cool to see them get scared by one standing in the corner only to find out they can walk right up to it and kick it in the crotch.
The centurions are 100% machines and no organics right? If so why weren't they active when the ship was dying? If they need to have the basestar for orders how do they operate when on a planet or BSG?
I didn't find part 2 rather disappointing compared to part one though, I really wanted to learn more about that whole projection thing. The beacon wasn't really explained and Adama seemed to take it rather casually that it was there and had a Cylon killing virus on it.
I also found it really difficult watching Baltar get tortured as it was quite graphic, the scene was really well done and he is an amazing actor.
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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
The centurions are 100% machines and no organics right? If so why weren't they active when the ship was dying? If they need to have the basestar for orders how do they operate when on a planet or BSG?
When they were debating whether to send a rescue mission, the Cylons on Baltar's basestar seemed to think it could affect anything Cylon because they were all made from the same basic blueprint (or something like that). Presumably it ties in with why they thought the disease could be spread by resurrection.
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The Cylon killing virus was explained at the end of part 2. Basically one of the people who built the beacon sneezed on it. The virus lay dormant until brought onto the Cylon ship and (I guess) came back to life when it hit room temperature. Adama remarks at the end of part 2 that the disease matches one that plagued humans about 3000 years ago, cementing the notion the beacon had been left by the 13th tribe when they went to Earth.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
When they were debating whether to send a rescue mission, the Cylons on Baltar's basestar seemed to think it could affect anything Cylon because they were all made from the same basic blueprint (or something like that). Presumably it ties in with why they thought the disease could be spread by resurrection.
That is what I thought also but every time a centurion has been blown up they are all metal from what I remember.
Even the raiders have "personalities" as we found out in scar so I would think we would have found out about a centurion that was reborn with a grudge by now.
Heck I just want to hear one talk.
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darn, I've completely caught up with the series via DVDs and downloads. Now I have to wait with the rest of you for Friday nights.
Can't you guys at least argue for a while longer about the moral implications of Cylon self-awareness or something to tide me over?
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Originally Posted by hart
darn, I've completely caught up with the series via DVDs and downloads. Now I have to wait with the rest of you for Friday nights.
Can't you guys at least argue for a while longer about the moral implications of Cylon self-awareness or something to tide me over?
I remember when that happened for me. It sucks.
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Cylons are not self-aware.
Human are only half-aware.
The gods are not real, nor is the Cylon god.
Does anyone think that Sharon Agathon projects while walking through the Galactica? Is she trying to do a Data and become human or being the Cylon-ally?
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Originally Posted by bstone
Cylons are not self-aware.
Human are only half-aware.
Elaborate. Because I disagree. I think humans and Cylons are just as "living" and self aware.
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Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
So is there any question that Athena blew up the basestar?
There was an exchange of looks while Apollo mentioned that they had been lucky to get off in time. I read both their expressions to mean something like this.
"Uh, yeah. Lucky we got in and out in time to be infected. With a disease that is killing the ship's entire crew. Yep, we sure were lucky."
Originally Posted by Dark Helmet
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The centurions are 100% machines and no organics right? If so why weren't they active when the ship was dying? If they need to have the basestar for orders how do they operate when on a planet or BSG?
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My impression is that the Hybrid takes the place of a ship's central computer. She has ultimate control of all connected baseship systems and hardware. The humanoid models would be the main items she doesn't control.
So when she went delirious with the virus, she'd have overwritten the software (and possibly firmware too) of all connected systems. With random garbage.
That is why all the Centurions in that baseship shut down. Also why the internal network went sour, and why the engineering systems eventually blew. A software garbage overwrite might have taken out the Raiders, or they might have been gotten by the virus directly through umbilical supply connections.
Originally Posted by hart
darn, I've completely caught up with the series via DVDs and downloads. Now I have to wait with the rest of you for Friday nights.
Can't you guys at least argue for a while longer about the moral implications of Cylon self-awareness or something to tide me over?
If you've read all 39 pages after catching up on the eps, I'm impressed. I jumped in at 7 pages, and thought the discussion was long at that point. 
If you haven't read the entire thread, go ahead. There is a lot of intelligent discussion.
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Originally Posted by bstone
Cylons are not self-aware.
Human are only half-aware.
The gods are not real, nor is the Cylon god.
You realize this is science fiction right? Let's wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
You realize this is science fiction right? Let's wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
I was actually just trying to be funny in that. However my original real quesiton remains- does Sharon Agathon project while serving on the galactica?
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