[Dark Helmet]

Ok I watched the last 2 episodes and picked up some interesting info.

First, the humans are interested in the temple only because it can lead to earth. They are not interested in the references to "Five" in any way. Same with the Cylons, they are only there to find earth. It is ONLY Baltar and D'Anna that are after the final 5 Cylons secretly.

Roslin reads the text of "The temple was built for 5 priest devoted to the ones who's name CANNOT BE SPOKEN".

Interesting because the Cylons think of the 5 remaining Cylons as "The ones whos name cannot be spoken".

So they human scriptures speak of "The ONE" that can't be talked about, while the Cylons speak of "The Five" unspeakable ones.

Also if it wasn't obvious enough already the writers are getting at the humans Gods and religion are directly related to the Cylons single god. D'Anna also says "Is it possible there is a connection between their GodS and ours?". Before the Cylons thought the humans Gods were blasphemy and wrong but now think that it is all part of the same thing. At least D'Anna does/did.

Another interesting thing is the only real clues regarding the 5 Cylons being shown to the chosen one is coming from Baltars interpretation of what the Hybrid said. "The Hand in the shadows". Baltar was the one who interpreted "hand" must mean "five", he could be wrong.

It is also possible that they are just unintentionally projecting what they want to see. D'Anna was so convinced she would see 5 Cylons in the temple it could be just she saw what she wanted or it unlocked some memories she already had of them.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

I figured it was about time for another pic of Tricia

Is it just me or is she kinda flat?

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Is it just me or is she kinda flat?

She is but you see that quite often now on many of the top models. Big boobs aren't as in as they used to be.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Also if it wasn't obvious enough already the writers are getting at the humans Gods and religion are directly related to the Cylons single god. D'Anna also says "Is it possible there is a connection between their GodS and ours?". Before the Cylons thought the humans Gods were blasphemy and wrong but now think that it is all part of the same thing. At least D'Anna does/did.

D'Anna did, but D'Anna is known to be a heretic relative to the Cylon faith. While the others may believe slightly different things from the orthodoxy, it's unlikely that many of them share the same beliefs as D'Anna.

Now, here's an interesting point. Leoben believes that the Hybrid is a kind of oracle: the things she says, according to him, come directly from the Cylon God. If that's the case, then why isn't a Leoben standing by recording every thing the Hybrid says? Or perhaps there is one, and we just haven't seen his reaction to all of this yet. He's supposed to be the mystic of the bunch, so where has he been?

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Millennium 

Now, here's an interesting point. Leoben believes that the Hybrid is a kind of oracle: the things she says, according to him, come directly from the Cylon God. If that's the case, then why isn't a Leoben standing by recording every thing the Hybrid says?

What I was wondering if he is so attached to Starbuck why would he stand there while they all talked about destroying galactica and not say a peep?

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Is it just me or is she kinda flat?

It's not how big they are, it's how they use them.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Did anyone notice the picture in the article of the final 5 without fancy light effects?

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....ed/rapture.jpg

Think those are the real actors for the final 5?

Doubtful. Recall the pic of Tie's wife in the Miniseries. The pic used a standin; it didn't get cast until they needed her to act. There was also a pic of President Adar hanging on a wall in an earlier episode. It turned out to be David Eike in heavy makeup. They didn't cast Adar until they needed him in Epiphanies.

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

WOW! Looks like 2 women, 3 men. The last 2 on the right sorta look like Starbuck and Lee though.
...

If the Cylons designed an equal number of male & female models, the Final Five would have three females and two males. However, they picked a female for the Hybrid, so I'm not sure how that balanced out. Maybe the Raiders are males, to balance the Hybrid.

Notes from D'Anna's Rapture.

The five figures are not present when she first steps in. They're only there after she turns around.

She only looks closely at four of them. No recognition reaction until she hits the fourth.
"You. Forgive me, I ... I had no idea."

She never checks out the last one, which would be the one on her far left upon arrival.

Since she only recognized one of them, with an unknown remaining, then two (at most) of the people she's met could be Cylons. That limits things a lot, since she presumably knows most of the higher-level Human staff on sight. Through photographs if not personal experience. She would certainly know Admiral Adama on sight, as well as Helo, and many others who weren't on New Caprica. Intelligence photos.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by reader50 

Since she only recognized one of them, with an unknown remaining, then two (at most) of the people she's met could be Cylons. That limits things a lot, since she presumably knows most of the higher-level Human staff on sight. Through photographs if not personal experience. She would certainly know Admiral Adama on sight, as well as Helo, and many others who weren't on New Caprica. Intelligence photos.

I think it would have to be someone on New Caprica. Her "forgive me" line implies she had direct contact with the person.

[bstone]

I would assume she was apologizing to someone she knew. That can be a lot of people. Adama, Tigh, Doc, Baltar, etc etc etc

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by reader50 

She only looks closely at four of them. No recognition reaction until she hits the fourth.

I didn't get that from her expressions. She might have recognized some or all but she only felt the need to apologize to one of them.

Who has D'Anna directly ****ed with other than Baltar?

On a weird note remember the wide shot right when D'Anna got boxed that showed a huge room with resurrection bathtubs? If you look closely many of the other tanks had cylons leaning over them tending to someone in it. Did they need mass restocking of skinjobs for some reason?

[reader50]

What nominal Humans has D'Anna butted heads with? Something that might call for an apology?

as the D'Anna unit that later had the Rapture
President Roslin (diplomatic meeting above algae planet)
Admiral Adama (diplomatic meeting above algae planet)
Anders (in collapsed parking garage)
Baltar (New Caprica occupation, torture session)
Felix Gaeta (New Caprica occupation)
Dodona Selloi (The Tent Oracle)
Doc Cottle (New Caprica occupation)
The Hybrid (assorted BaseShip scenes, treated the Hybrid as a non-person)
Duck (NCP graduation; may not have been the same D'Anna)
Bulldog (aboard BaseShip; may not have been the same D'Anna)

as D'Anna Biers, Fleet News Service. This different #3 copy butted heads with people too
Commander Adama (videotape of Sharon)
Colonel Tie (Setup Interview regarding Gideon Massacre)
Apollo (towel scene)
Helo (missing scene, he runs into her outside Sickbay after Hera's death is faked)
Other people were interviewed, but no emotional involvement.

Of those listed above, some cannot be Cylons:
Admiral Adama Dates back to the first war.
Colonel Tie Dates back to the first war.
Apollo Son of a human. Exposed aboard sick BaseShip, did not get sick.
Laura Roslyn Has a past, going back to teaching years ago. Anyone close to the president would have background checks, Roslyn's just been around too long. Also, contracted cancer.
Helo Because Athena is a Cylon, and Hera is a hybrid baby. Hera's hybrid status established by the magic stem-cell blood, which has given the Prez a cancer remission, and innoculated Athena against a plague that kills straight Cylons.
Anders Caught pneumonia. The only disease that bothers Cylons so far is the ancient plague.

Who does that leave?
Baltar
Bulldog
Cottle
Duck
Gaeta
The Hybrid
The Tent Oracle (Dodona Selloi)

Further analysis. The one she recognized could not reasonably be Baltar, The Hybrid, or Gaeta.

"You. Forgive me, I ... I had no idea."

Baltar had been running his suspicion past her for weeks. She certainly had an idea to watch for Baltar's face. Also, she was on a name basis with Baltar and Gaeta, from working with both during seven months of occupation. And she has an established name to call The Hybrid, rather than "you".

Crossing off those three gives a smaller list.
Bulldog
Cottle
Duck
The Tent Oracle (Dodona Selloi)

All of this assumes her response was an apology. If it was just surprise at someone unexpected, that would let more people into the suspect list. Like Starbuck, The Chief, or Tori Foster. People she would recognize, but not be used to calling by name.

[bstone]

Isn't Duck dead? He blew himself up at the NCP graduation ceremony.

I am thinking Doc Cottle or Starbuck. I know we haven't seen a direct Starbuck/D'Anna interaction, but that doesn't mean D'Anna doesn't know who Starbuck is.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by bstone 

Isn't Duck dead? He blew himself up at the NCP graduation ceremony.

I don't think they ever said outright that he was dead, but the whole thing was described repeatedly as a suicide bombing; I think it's pretty clear that he's dead.

I am thinking Doc Cottle or Starbuck. I know we haven't seen a direct Starbuck/D'Anna interaction, but that doesn't mean D'Anna doesn't know who Starbuck is.

Yeah; Starbuck is probably pretty famous (or rather, infamous) among the Cylons. Aside from the rather impressive number of Raiders she's shot down, not to mention the one she reverse-engineered, there's the whole Leoben thing going on.

But that said, what has D'Anna done to Starbuck that she'd be apologizing for? Leoben and Simon certainly have a lot to answer for, but D'Anna hasn't had a chance to interact with Starbuck at all. She's only just barely interacted with any of the major human cast except for Baltar and Hera: there have been a few meetings, but those were strictly on a professional level and didn't break down into violence or anything. Really, the only two humans we can say for sure have ever been directly harmed by D'Anna were Bulldog and Anders.

Ooh; now there's a thought. What if Anders turned out to be a Cylon sleeper?

[SirCastor]

I think we're done with Cylon Sleeper agents. I don't think any of the 5 are sleepers, at least not in the sense that we've seen them before.

It seems to me that the remaining Cylons aren't Cylon by affiliation, just by origin.

[SirCastor]

Anyone have any thoughts about how Baltar is going to get out of his current situation?

[reader50]

Originally Posted by SirCastor 

Anyone have any thoughts about how Baltar is going to get out of his current situation?

One method comes to mind. When they open the airlock door.

Balter could become very forthcoming on all the valuable intelligence he's been noting concerning the Cylons. Like the best pillow arrangements.

The one item that would make sense, is to keep him alive in exchange for Number Six actually answering questions about Cylon stuff. But this would blow much of the mystery of the show, so they can't go this way.

My guess is they discover Baltar is the only available witness that the Cavils know something about the Final Five. That makes him a bargaining chip. Either the Cavils give something in exchange for Baltar remaining unavailable to the other models, or they sell the Cavils out to the other models, get another model retired. Decrease the Cylon strength by another 16%.

[Dark Helmet]

I think they will have a trial and in the end decide to keep him in a cell because he does have research regarding earths location on top of all the nice inside information about the cylons that he can even make up.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by SirCastor 

I think we're done with Cylon Sleeper agents. I don't think any of the 5 are sleepers, at least not in the sense that we've seen them before.

It seems