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Buckaroo · Mar 25, 2007, 12:09 PM

I know this is off topic, but I can't get the macnn search engine to work worth a crap.

What happened to Dr. Who? Was it cancelled?

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 25, 2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I know this is off topic, but I can't get the macnn search engine to work worth a crap.

What happened to Dr. Who? Was it cancelled?

No it is still on. Going into the 4th season.

And yes the search here sucks.

reader50 · Mar 25, 2007, 12:33 PM

The Dr. Who thread. Looks like the Search index starts with 4-letter words.

Back on-topic.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

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Season 2 was almost perfect with the exception of Blackmarket and a couple other "meh" ones.
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I agree, but find it interesting that we don't agree on which other eps were the low ones.

Season 3 was great through Rapture, but then had the slower self-contained eps since. Much of the slowness seems attributable to the Saggitaron storyline that got nuked late. If they'd written farther ahead and realized in the trial that it wouldn't work ... before they started filming the slower eps, then they could have written completely different eps for that part of the season.

I'm thinking maybe the studio agrees. That would explain why they pushed Season 4 back so far, to give still more production time. Room to recover better from errors, before things go in front of the camera.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

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I remember before Voyager went off the air the writers were considering having them get home at the beginning of the season and spend the rest of the shows life dealing with the consequences of what happened while they were lost and the **** they have to deal with now that they are back. If you saw the final episode and season the way it actually went you wish they would have had the balls to go trough with their original idea.

That would have been interesting. The legal fallout for the Maquis crew members, the nonstandard mods to Voyager, and the many decisions made by desperate people. Not sure if they could spend a whole season on it though. I had hoped for a couple eps after the finale to explore things like that.

finboy · Mar 25, 2007, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

I agree. Whether or not Moore is writing them, the bottom line is that it is losing coherence.

A lot of the intended "dramatic tension" introduced in some episodes is either just irritating or else just 'meh' and superfluous.

It lost it's edge a while ago, maybe with the Cylon virus. I'm just extremely disappointed with the continual character flip-flops and lack of direction in general. I can't really see how they're going to pull out next season -- they can't colonize another planet this time, can they?

The reliance on Sackoff and Bamber's acting to carry them for most of this season really didn't help anything. As for the "Starbuck comes back" spoiler, remember that you heard it here first (like, a year ago).

Don Pickett · Mar 25, 2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by finboy

It lost it's edge a while ago, maybe with the Cylon virus. I'm just extremely disappointed with the continual character flip-flops and lack of direction in general. I can't really see how they're going to pull out next season -- they can't colonize another planet this time, can they?

The reliance on Sackoff and Bamber's acting to carry them for most of this season really didn't help anything. As for the "Starbuck comes back" spoiler, remember that you heard it here first (like, a year ago).

Starbuck is coming back for one very simple reason. If Sackoff had been sacked from the show, we would've read about it in the trades.

Thorzdad · Mar 25, 2007, 05:16 PM

If they actually DO bring Starbuck back (as a flesh-and-blood regualr character, and not some "reborn" higher-entity or something lame like that (think: Daniel Jackson) I hope to hell they start writing the character better. I quickly became tired of the whole "Starbuck is psycho" thing. I sort of felt the writers wrote that character into a corner with it and HAD to kill her off (or open the door for a rebirth) in order to correct a bad direction.

scottiB · Mar 25, 2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by reader50

Season 3 was great through Rapture, but then had the slower self-contained eps since. Much of the slowness seems attributable to the Saggitaron storyline that got nuked late. If they'd written farther ahead and realized in the trial that it wouldn't work ... before they started filming the slower eps, then they could have written completely different eps for that part of the season.

100% agreement.

jokell82 · Mar 25, 2007, 10:00 PM

Why would they be hearing a Bob Dylan song?

That was just eating at me the entire time. WTF?

Sourbook · Mar 25, 2007, 10:04 PM

Damned great ending.

SpaceMonkey · Mar 25, 2007, 10:06 PM

I did not understand that at all. Why are they all so certain that they are Cylons now? Because they heard the same music?

Lateralus · Mar 25, 2007, 10:07 PM

That episode confused the **** outta me.

greenamp · Mar 25, 2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Damned great ending.

Agreed. The ended was beautiful.

greenamp · Mar 25, 2007, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

Why would they be hearing a Bob Dylan song?

That was just eating at me the entire time. WTF?

It's coming from Earth. They're pretty close.

xi_hyperon · Mar 25, 2007, 10:11 PM

^ But how does the music tell them they're cylons? I just didn't get that.

aristotles · Mar 25, 2007, 10:11 PM

Awesome. That spoiler site linked to earlier was right on the money. Some of you thought they got only part of it right last week but that was only because it was a two part story which we saw the conclusion of today.

aristotles · Mar 25, 2007, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by xi_hyperon

^ But how does the music tell them they're cylons? I just didn't get that.

Uh, because nobody else is hearing it? Unless they all have fillings that is acting like a radio, I have to say that a cylon might be more likely to pick up frequencies like Earth radio than a regular human being.

There is also the fact that all of them were drawn to one place for some reason.

SpaceMonkey · Mar 25, 2007, 10:17 PM

I'm sure if they all sat around and analyzed it that would be one possible conclusion they would come up with. My problem is more that they just showed up there and then all of a sudden they were like "oh, yup, we're Cylons, DUH" with 100% certainty. Especially since Tigh was ranting about it being Cylon sabotage in his previous scene.

aristotles · Mar 25, 2007, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Oh dear lord. I just watched the trailer for next week with anders flat out saying "It's true, we're Cylons" with flashes of Adama and some others.

Unless there is a damn good story behind that I think the show just jumped the shark for me in one damn episode.

Do you know what has jumped the shark? People saying "blah blah just jumped the shark". That pop-culture phrase has officially lost all common meaning.

greenamp · Mar 25, 2007, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by xi_hyperon

^ But how does the music tell them they're cylons? I just didn't get that.

I think it's just the coincidence of it and that it just happened "like a switch being switched on..." as Tyrol said.

It's really the only logical explanation, and it kinda makes good sense for them to be 4 of the final five, as they are all 4 in key support positions to ensure the humans make it to Earth.