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Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

the only one I remember baltar testing was Boomer. And it came out positive but he lied to her.

Yup. He didn't get around to testing even a small percentage of the crew.

Plus that test was based on finding synthetic materials as he saw how Leoben degraded in the Nebula because of the radiation. Remember that the Cheif and Tigh were in that nebula with no problems at all so they must be more human than Cylon or completely different as they have hinted.

Something strange though. Did you notice how JUST before the fleet lost power Roslyn felt ill and the camera rushed towards her as if she felt what was coming. Perhaps it is that Cylon DNA in her. Helo also had a strange feeling about it which could be because of his intimacy with Athena.

I'm kinda bummed out about Roslyns Cancer though as I don't think she will pull out of this one. The scripture says "A dying leader will guide them to their new home but not live to see it" so we might have lied to ourselves before about her not being that leader but RDM pretty much just confirmed that is her. So I am sure she will drop dead before they hit earth.

[Eug]

Ellen was tested, and was negative.

I find it ironic that Tigh the Cylon killed Ellen the human because she betrayed the humans to the Cylons, to protect Tigh the Cylon.

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Originally Posted by Eug 

Ellen was tested, and was negative.

I find it ironic that Tigh the Cylon killed Ellen the human because she betrayed the humans to the Cylons, to protect Tigh the Cylon.

Ellen wasn't negative for sure. Watch it again and you'll see what I mean.

Either way if she is one of the final 5 she probably would have passed anyway as they are more human than Cylon so far. For the recored I don't think she is.

Tigh killing her is even better now. 3 of the 4 Über Cylons we know of so far were the LEADERS of the resistance on New Caprica. Tigh HATES anything Cylon, it is in his very core. To me it seems the purpose of the final 5 is to protect humans to their last dying breath from Cylons.

Ellen was screwing over humans and even risk their entire future as a species so with Sauls hate/programming of Cylons he did what he had to do to make humans win.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Who did Baltar test anyway?

I thought they tested everybody in the first or second season, when they first found out that the new Cylons looked like humans.

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Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I thought they tested everybody in the first or second season, when they first found out that the new Cylons looked like humans.

Nope. Blatar made it clear that he can only do ONE test at a time and it takes 12 hours. then he calculated 2 tests a day and a fleet of 45,000 and concluded it would take something like 60 years of non stop work before everyone was tested.

I don't think he got any further than a handful of tests before there was other problems to deal with.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Nope. Blatar made it clear that he can only do ONE test at a time and it takes 12 hours. then he calculated 2 tests a day and a fleet of 45,000 and concluded it would take something like 60 years of non stop work before everyone was tested.

I don't think he got any further than a handful of tests before there was other problems to deal with.

That and the fact that he lied and said that Boomer's test was negative, so now everyone thinks the test is fundamentally flawed because she turned out to be a Cylon.

P.S. Who knows if it would even work on the final 5 anyway.

P.P.S. It still bugs me that they've totally forgotten about the fact that the Baltar's nuke is responsible for blowing up a ship. ie. Baltar says he needs a nuke for his test. He gets the nuke. Some time later a ship is nuked. Hmmm...

[RAILhead]

Just reminder to the Final Four "new" cylon nay-sayers: RM has stated that they are, in fact, cylons. The discussion of whether or not they're cylons is over -- they are. Also, RM admitted this idea came to him this year, so this hasn't been planned -- which makes looking at history of these 4 pointless as far as seeing cylon traits.

Also, we don't know The 4 are part of the Final 5 -- that's just an assumption. I think The 4 are merely tools used by the Final 5, set in place to help guide Man to Earth and fight the Skinjobs. Some are linking D'Anna's apology to one of the 5 as her apologizing for yanking Saul's eye out, but that's conjecture.

I think we don't know who the 5 are just yet, and the 4 will end up being the catalyst for Man thriving again.

[Eug]

Also, we don't know The 4 are part of the Final 5 -- that's just an assumption. I think The 4 are merely tools used by the Final 5, set in place to help guide Man to Earth and fight the Skinjobs.

There are 12 models.

Boomer
Leoben
Simon
D'Anna
Six
Aaron
Cavil

That's 7, leaving 5 more, the final 5, four of whom have just been outed.

[RAILhead]

Originally Posted by Eug 

There are 12 models.

Boomer
Leoben
Simon
D'Anna
Six
Aaron
Cavil

That's 7, leaving 5 more, the final 5, four of whom have just been outed.

12 skinjobs, yes. RM has said that The 4 are a "wholly different" cylon, but I don't know that we can just assume The 4 are part of the Final 5. The Final 5 could be still unknown, and The 4 are the 5's method of helping Man find Earth. So, the Final 5 are still the "godlike" overseers, and The 4 are their creations/tools.

My point is that I don't know that we should be assuming the The 4 are for certain part of the FInal 5.

[ThinkInsane]

Where the hell is the podcast? Someone owes me some frakking answers and I'm starting to get a bit impatient waiting for them. Are you hearing me Mr. Moore? And please kick your wife out of the room for this one. Send her to the store or something. Thanks so much.

Here's another thing that's bugging me, and I'm not sure if I've brought this up before. Boomer flies into and docks with a Cylon Baseship. She gets out and he inside of the Baseship looks a lot like... the inside of Rosie O'Donnell's colon. Nasty, gooey and covered in growths and polyps (Note: I have no idea what the inside of Rosie's colon looks like, nor do I want to. When I saw the Baseship, I just naturally thought: "I bet that what it looks like inside Rosie's colon"). Fast forward a season or two, we get episodes showing the inside of a Baseship, and it's sleek, modern and streamlined, not a single ass-polyp in sight. 'Sup with that?

[Eug]

That's remarkably descriptive actually.



* NB. AFAIK, this isn't Rosie O'Donnell's.

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by RAILhead 

12 skinjobs, yes. RM has said that The 4 are a "wholly different" cylon, but I don't know that we can just assume The 4 are part of the Final 5. The Final 5 could be still unknown, and The 4 are the 5's method of helping Man find Earth. So, the Final 5 are still the "godlike" overseers, and The 4 are their creations/tools.

My point is that I don't know that we should be assuming the The 4 are for certain part of the FInal 5.

this would work with my theory that these 4 are cylon tools, perhaps meddled with in childhood. Sci fi is all about the brain chips.

[RAILhead]

Yup. RM has to know how stupid it would be to have 4 of the Final 5 be those revealed.

[olePigeon]

Argh. They're ruining the series for me. Killing Starbuck and making the Chief and Tigh cylons.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

the only one I remember baltar testing was Boomer. And it came out positive but he lied to her.

He also tested Ellen but never revealed what the test said.

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Originally Posted by Eug 

That and the fact that he lied and said that Boomer's test was negative, so now everyone thinks the test is fundamentally flawed because she turned out to be a Cylon.

P.P.S. It still bugs me that they've totally forgotten about the fact that the Baltar's nuke is responsible for blowing up a ship. ie. Baltar says he needs a nuke for his test. He gets the nuke. Some time later a ship is nuked. Hmmm...

Sorta. Tigh ask him how Boomer passed and Baltar said she was a beta test and he has revised his methods of detection since.

As for the nuke Adama did say "As best we can gather someone stole your nuke from the lab and smuggled it to cloud 9". Remember at the time Baltar was a hero and VP so they wouldn't accuse him without some serious evidence. Baltar also had no reason to do this.

[SirCastor]

Here's a bit of a thought:

All 4 of the new cylons have been key leaders in some contention:

Tigh: Leader of New Caprica Resistance.
Anders: Leader of Old Caprica Resistance.
Tyrol: Leader of Strikes on New Caprica, and in the fleet.
Maya: Leader of Roslin's campaign.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane 

Where the hell is the podcast? Someone owes me some frakking answers and I'm starting to get a bit impatient waiting for them. Are you hearing me Mr. Moore? And please kick your wife out of the room for this one. Send her to the store or something. Thanks so much.

Here's another thing that's bugging me, and I'm not sure if I've brought this up before. Boomer flies into and docks with a Cylon Baseship. She gets out and he inside of the Baseship looks a lot like... the inside of Rosie O'Donnell's colon. Nasty, gooey and covered in growths and polyps (Note: I have no idea what the inside of Rosie's colon looks like, nor do I want to. When I saw the Baseship, I just naturally thought: "I bet that what it looks like inside Rosie's colon"). Fast forward a season or two, we get episodes showing the inside of a Baseship, and it's sleek, modern and streamlined, not a single ass-polyp in sight. 'Sup with that?

Think of the Raider as an analogue. It's got a metallic exterior and enough of a convention control system that Kara could pilot it, but it also has organic components. The Base Stars are the same. There are organic tissues used in the docking areas--probably to feed and nurture the Raiders--but inside there are also crew compartments that are more, um, refined.

[reader50]

Originally Posted by SirCastor 

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Maya: Leader of Roslin's campaign.

Maya (deceased) was the adoptive mother of He