[reader50]

The podcast will be delayed somewhat longer, though the Berkeley after-finale Q&A will get posted anytime.

Originally Posted by RDM blog

More podcast delay

Sorry, all -- but I'm deeply under the weather since our return from Berkeley and still haven't done my podcast for the Season Three finale. (I doubt anyone's looking forward to another congestion-filled audio recording.) So as soon as I'm well, I'll finish up the season. I don't know why they haven't posted the Q&A session yet, but I'm sure it'll be up shortly.

[lavar78]

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane 

Tigh also brings up an interesting notion: Cylon people have the same human failings (i.e. addiction issues) as People people. Well, interesting to me at at least...

Is it really that interesting, though? I thought the point all along was that the Cylons have proven to be just as human as the humans.

How did Lampkin know about Ellen? Did he put it together himself, was it a shot in the dark, or what?

Upon rewatching, I couldn't find anyone else who noticed the music. Lampkin could've been ignoring it (after all, he did proclaim to possess great lying skills), but that's probably unlikely. If those stand-ins that 3 saw are at least of the correct gender, then the fifth Cylon is female. Starbuck and Roslin both seem way too obvious while Dualla and Cally didn't seem to hear the music. I'd say it's likely that the final Cylon is someone who has a much smaller role than the four they revealed.

[zerock]

i think the final cylon wasnt in galactica at the time

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by lavar78 

How did Lampkin know about Ellen? Did he put it together himself, was it a shot in the dark, or what?

I figured that the answer he was looking for was just something like "Yeah, yeah, it wasn't Baltar," and Tigh admitting to murder was just kind of a bonus point.

[lavar78]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I figured that the answer he was looking for was just something like "Yeah, yeah, it wasn't Baltar," and Tigh admitting to murder was just kind of a bonus point.

I don't know... the way he was asking who killed her suggested to me that he knew the answer.

[ThinkInsane]

Originally Posted by lavar78 

Is it really that interesting, though? I thought the point all along was that the Cylons have proven to be just as human as the humans.

Well, that's why I said interesting to me. They started out with a 'better than the original' attitude, and over the course of the show have shown the exact same failings that so disgusted them when displayed by real humans. This just shows another human flaw that the Cylon agents are susceptible too. I thought it was an interesting point about Cylon nature, both biological and psychological.

[lavar78]

Originally Posted by ThinkInsane 

Well, that's why I said interesting to me. They started out with a 'better than the original' attitude, and over the course of the show have shown the exact same failings that so disgusted them when displayed by real humans. This just shows another human flaw that the Cylon agents are susceptible too. I thought it was an interesting point about Cylon nature, both biological and psychological.

I get what you're saying and I agree; I just thought the point had already been driven home.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by lavar78 

I don't know... the way he was asking who killed her suggested to me that he knew the answer.

Well, he knew she was hanging out with Cylons on New Caprica. He knew how Tigh felt about collaborators. And, he knew Ellen's death was unexplained. Probably did the math and figured there was a decent chance that Tigh killed her ... at least enough of a chance to go on a little fishing trip to see if he was right.

[ThinkInsane]

The Berkley Q&A is up. Kind of interesting, Ron Moore does it immediately after his friends watch the finale at a "frak party". Still listening to it, but he's said that Adama, Apollo and Roslin are not Cylons. And Tyrol's kid is a hybrid. The finale five are different, but in the path they take or some ****. The four are genuine synthetic people.

[Eug]

Surprise! She's dead. Double surprise! She's back - How Battlestar Galactica faked out fans and staff alike

At first, the producers wanted to deceive the whole Battlestar Galactica production, including the cast, into thinking that Sackhoff was really leaving. "They said, `We're not telling anyone,'" she recounted. "`We're not telling the entire crew. The entire cast. Some of the writers aren't even going to know.' I was like, `You've got to be kidding me!'''

The cast found out Starbuck was "dying" while production was underway last year when they received the outline of the episode in which she blew up. "Everyone flipped out," Sackhoff said.

Sackhoff found it difficult to lie to her fellow actors. (Deceit doesn't seem to be her forte, generally speaking: In the first minute of this interview, Sackhoff admitted that she was hung over, because, she said, "I don't want you to think I'm stupid. I'd rather you think I'm, you know, a drunk.'')

Eick soon realized that this part of the plan simply wouldn't work among the close group of friends in the Battlestar cast. "It wasn't fair to her," he said. "She was going to have to lie to literally everybody in the cast: `Yeah, yeah, I know, it's awfully sad. I'm gonna miss you guys!' It got ridiculous at a certain point. She was a trouper; I think she would have done anything we asked her to. But she's not inhuman!''

So the cast was told that Sackhoff and Starbuck were there to stay, but anyone else deemed a potential leak was kept in the dark. Including Sackhoff's own father. "My dad has a big mouth, and I knew he would get on his email list and tell everyone," she said.

[exca1ibur]

For some of the hardcore fans...
Beyond the Red Line

[SirCastor]

I don't know when it went up, but it must've been in the past few days because I checked it a bit ago. Crossroads pt 2 Podcast is available.

[hart]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Isn't Chief and Cally's kid a hybrid, then? So why is Hera still so important?

Makes me question if they're really Cylons. They passed Baltar's Cylon test. I'm sure the Doc and Baltar can test them again.

If I'm not mistaken the Chief/Cally child is a boy. That means we now have "breeding pair" of hybrids to work with. That could be an Adam/Eve kind of story line kicking in there.

[hart]

Finally caught up with all the episodes via itunes (was saving them as a treat) and read all this ... well I think I skipped pages 38 to 48 ... so I think the idea of the twelve Greek gods and each cylon representing a character trait can be fleshed out now:

Originally Posted by SirCastor 

I've been thinking about the whole 'each cylon model represents something about humanity' here's my list:

Simon: Logic
Doral: Doubt
D'Anna: Leadership
Six/Gina: Love
Leoben: Faith
Sharon: Hope
Bro. Cavel: I'm not sure. Somewhere in Authority I think or something. I dunno.

Originally Posted by greenamp 

I still think the remaining 5 humanoid Cylons split from the seven for some reason, possibly in a disagreement over attacking Caprica. And those 5 Cylons are Adama(Zues), Lee(Apollo), Tigh(Ares), Roselyn(Hera?), and Baltar(Hades) (the colonial variants think they are human)


Six(Aphrodite)
Boomer(Athena)
[others?]

The 12 models are symbolic of the 12 main greek gods.

tigh turns out to be Ares apparently

Chief=haephestus

tory and sam?

here's a complete list. Please fiil in the blanks.

Aphrodite Goddess of love and beauty
Apollo God of the sun (light), music, healing, prophecy, and poetry
Ares God of war, revenge, anger, courage, fertility and bloodshed
Artemis Goddess of hunting and archery, twin sister of Apollo
Athena Goddess of wisdom, crafts, defensive warfare.
Demeter Goddess of agriculture, grain, harvest and earth
Hades God of the Dead and lord of the Underworld and of the riches found within the earth. Brother of Poseidon and Zeus
Hephaestus God of fire and the forge (god of fire and smiths). Makes armor for the gods and other heroes like Achilles.
HeraGoddess of marriage, family, motherhood and queen of the gods. Zeus' jealous wife.
Hermes God of travel, thieves, and commerce. Messenger of the gods.He showed the way for the dead souls to Hades's realm.
Poseidon God of the sea and horses. Brother of Hades and Zeus and father of
Hestia Goddess of the hearth and domestic life. Eventually replaced by
Dionysus.
Zeus King of the gods. God of thunder and lightning. Brother of Poseidon and Hades. Husband of Hera. Destroyed his father, Ruler of the titans (Cronus), with a sickle. Loves women and has various relationships throughout Greek mythology


Idiot question: who's Doral? I've drawn a blank....NM, looked it up.

[Chuckit]

Shouldn't Tigh be Dionysus?

[hart]

Dionysus seems too fun to be Tigh. I think Dionysus was more like a party animal than a miserable drunk.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I thought RDM said each Cylon Model was created after what the cylons thought was each aspect of humans.

[hart]

I believe the Greek gods also represent that concept.

[goMac]

RDM has said on the topic of Kara:

 

Lee is not imagining Kara.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by goMac 

RDM has said on the topic of Kara:

 

Lee is not imaging Kara.

Ok, but is he imagining her?