[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

20 episodes in season 2. 10 episodes in the first half, before the hiatus.

Thanks for the good news

[Eriamjh]

Did anyone notice that the commander of the Pegasus, Cain, will be an admiral AND a woman? I like the change.

I'm getting used to Starbuck being a girl, too.

(Yes, I'm old. Old enough to remember the original from 1978.)

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

Did anyone notice that the commander of the Pegasus, Cain, will be an admiral AND a woman? I like the change.

Isn't that woman from Star Trek: TNG?

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Isn't that woman from Star Trek: TNG?

You got a good eye, I wouldn't have recognized her after all those years. She was playing Lt. Ro Laren, a Bajoran who was supposed to infiltrate the Marquis, but later became one herself (hope I got the story straight after all these years).

[chabig]

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

Not too shabby an episode, but I think there should have been some mention of the baby that Sharon supposedly gave birth to last week. Where is the little brat?

Although she bled, I don't think the baby was born yet.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

You got a good eye, I wouldn't have recognized her after all those years. She was playing Lt. Ro Laren, a Bajoran who was supposed to infiltrate the Marquis, but later became one herself (hope I got the story straight after all these years).

She was suppose to have the part of the first officer on DS9 but she turned it down to do movies (we all know how well that worked out for her). She was brought into TNG to create "conflict".

Guess we know how she got the part.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

She was suppose to have the part of the first officer on DS9 but she turned it down to do movies (we all know how well that worked out for her). She was brought into TNG to create "conflict".

Guess we know how she got the part.

Yeah, bad choice for her. Afterwards you're always smarter, how was she supposed to know the show ran seven seasons

But honestly, I wouldn't have recognized her.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

Yeah, bad choice for her. Afterwards you're always smarter, how was she supposed to know the show ran seven seasons

But honestly, I wouldn't have recognized her.

Well Crosby (tasha yar) and Will (W. Crusher) did the same thing. Movie wise they did a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, I was a big fan of Ro so I am glad to see her in BSG. She did do one good movie actually with David Duchovny called "Kalafonia"

[Eriamjh]

Originally Posted by chabig

Although she bled, I don't think the baby was born yet.

I think you're right. They must have been "fixing" something in that scene. She's not far enough pregnant to be showing yet. She sure didn't look pregnant in the latest virus episode.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Well Crosby (tasha yar) and Will (W. Crusher) did the same thing. Movie wise they did a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, I was a big fan of Ro so I am glad to see her in BSG. She did do one good movie actually with David Duchovny called "Kalafonia"

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Kalifornia was awesome. It was the first time I remember seeing Brad Pitt in a movie, and I was very impressed with his performance.



P.S. I've always thought that Crosby's acting sucked. Or at least it did in TNG - I haven't seen her in anything else besides Trekkies. And I just hate Wesley Crusher. Just because.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

P.S. I've always thought that Crosby's acting sucked. Or at least it did in TNG - I haven't seen her in anything else besides Trekkies. And I just hate Wesley Crusher. Just because.

She was in pet cemetery (as soon as she left Trek). I also saw her play a lawyer VERY briefly in Jackie Brown, she was uncredited.

Funny thing is as soon as she left trek after season one it became hugely popular in season 3 and she tried her best to get back on the show. She played her romulan daughter and she was in the Finale as Tasha.

[scottiB]

Michelle Forbes was also a regular in Homicide: Life on the Street and in season 2 of 24 (as IMDB denotes). I always dug her as an actress; she has a great voice.

[Eug Wanker]

Well, my Season 1 DVDs shipped today from Amazon.ca/HMV.ca. I ordered from them months ago because they were by far the cheapest. However, I think I would have just been better off walking into a store myself to buy the DVD set. All the other major stores (eg. Best Buy & Future Shop) ended up dropping prices to match the price I paid.

Season 1 DVD Set Review

The video quality of this series on DVD is quite good. All of the episodes are presented in anamorphic widescreen, which it should be given that the series itself is shot on HD video. Colors are spot on, and even vibrant at times. Contrast is solid too. Overall image clarity is excellent, with only a few instances of the picture being a little too soft or a little too edgy. When this happens, it appears to be a result of the way the footage was original shot and processed digitally, rather than being caused by over-compression for DVD. You'll notice light to moderate film grain, which was obviously added electronically in-camera or in post to give the footage the look of having been shot on film. In any case, artifacting is rarely noticeable. It's a pleasing picture, and the bigger and wider you view it, the more cinematic the experience becomes.

Audio is available in Dolby Digital 5.1. The surround sound isn't going to make your head turn - this is a more subtly atmospheric surround mix. You'll hear light use of the rear channels for ambient effects and music, but there's not a great deal of front-to-back panning. Still, the front soundstage is big and wide, and there's adequate bass in the mix. Most critically, the dialogue and music sound just fine, making the audio a good match to the visuals.

There's a surprisingly nice batch of extras on these five discs, but there's also a disappointment. Back to that in a minute. First, the good. The set includes the same full-length audio commentary track (with producers Moore and David Eick, along with director David Rymer) that was found on the previous miniseries DVD. Of the thirteen additional episodes in this set, nine of them feature audio commentary as well. Some of these are new, but you'll be pleased to know that all of Moore's "podcast" commentaries from SciFi.com are here as well. Disc Five contains the remaining bonus features, which include about 48 minutes of deleted scenes from the season's various episodes (identical to those offered on the Best Buy Season One (U.K. Version) exclusive - the only extra on that set), seven behind-the-scenes featurettes (63 minutes worth in all, including From Miniseries to Series, Change is Good - Now They're Babes, The Cylon Centurion, Future/Past Technology, The Doctor Is Out (Of His Mind), Production, Visual Effects and Epilogue), a short video of production artwork and set photos set to music, and the 20-minute Battlestar Galactica: The Series - The Lowdown documentary that aired on SciFi at the start of the season.

All of the commentaries are fascinating and worth your time if you're a fan of the show, and surprisingly all of the featurettes and the documentary are interesting as well (together the video features total over two hours in all, all of it full frame or letterboxed). So what's disappointing you might ask? Well... first of all, the behind-the-scenes featurettes are the same ones that have been available for viewing on SciFi.com for months. That's not bad in and of itself, but the thing is that four of the featurettes from the website were left out (specifically, Writing a Dark, Sexy, Political Sci-Fi Show, Women in Pivotal Roles, Like Father, Like Son and Director's Cut are all missing). While we're talking about things being left out, here's my biggest complaint about this set: Save for the audio commentary, NONE of the extras that were included on the previous miniseries DVD release are here. Missing is the original 40-minute Battlestar Galactica: The Lowdown documentary that focused specifically on the miniseries (which many of you may recall featured Sackhoff and Dirk Benedict talking about the character of Starbuck). Missing also are all 20 minutes worth of deleted scenes from the miniseries. So if you want ALL of the extras that are available on DVD, you have to buy the miniseries twice. It's little details like this - little omissions and oversights - that really make fans want to pull their hair out. Universal should have gone the extra mile and added another disc to this set (or just made Disc One, which contains the miniseries, double-sided like most copies of the previous DVD edition were in the first place).

Dammit. I already gave away my original miniseries disc.

[JHromadka]

Originally Posted by goMac

Not really. Carbon composites are much weaker than metal. Thats why they had to stop the President from smashing the wine bottle into the ship. It would have broken the ship wide open.

I figured it was because there aren't that many champagne bottles left. Otherwise that thing's gonna get shot up pretty quick.

[Eug Wanker]

w00t! The BSG DVDs arrived today. That was quick. It only shipped yesterday.

Originally Posted by JHromadka

I figured it was because there aren't that many champagne bottles left. Otherwise that thing's gonna get shot up pretty quick.

Well, its advantage is stealth mode. It's kind of odd though, since it's a stealth fighter, not a stealth bomber. That thing looks pretty damn fragile for a dogfight.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

w00t! The BSG DVDs arrived today. That was quick. It only shipped yesterday.

Well, its advantage is stealth mode. It's kind of odd though, since it's a stealth fighter, not a stealth bomber. That thing looks pretty damn fragile for a dogfight.

I think they are going to use it for reconnaissance and fighting is only a last resort.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

w00t! The BSG DVDs arrived today. That was quick. It only shipped yesterday.

Well, its advantage is stealth mode. It's kind of odd though, since it's a stealth fighter, not a stealth bomber. That thing looks pretty damn fragile for a dogfight.

Well, you kind of eventually got the idea it was never meant to be a real fighter. Just something for the crew to build to keep them busy.

For the lack of champagne they did a good job opening it up and spraying it everywhere, so I'm not sure that's it.

[Eug Wanker]

Well, I'm glad to have my DVDs now, but the image quality is just as bad as the miniseries DVD. WTF?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Well, I'm glad to have my DVDs now, but the image quality is just as bad as the miniseries DVD. WTF?

Yup, the image quality is totally ass on this DVD set. Grainy and the colours are bad. Such a shame watching it in High def and down to this crap.

Anyway, I guess I have to get it when it comes out on Blu-Ray.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Ok one thing I don't get. Why is landing in the hanger bay like landing in atmosphere? Those vehicles can stop dead on a dime, why do they do that strange manner like they are worrying about wind-speed and gravity?

[chabig]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Ok one thing I don't get. Why is landing in the hanger bay like landing in atmosphere? Those vehicles can stop dead on a dime, why do they do that strange manner like they are worrying about wind-speed and gravity?

The producer explained in his podcast that they do this because they can recover the vipers more quickly. We've seen them recover the vipers before they jump.

[iLikebeer]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Ok one thing I don't get. Why is landing in the hanger bay like landing in atmosphere? Those vehicles can stop dead on a dime, why do they do that strange manner like they are worrying about wind-speed and gravity?

At least they don't fall off the edge like in wing commander, ugh.
Also, because the ships have artificial gravity (I assume), that's another way they could explain it away.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Yup, the image quality is totally ass on this DVD set. Grainy and the colours are bad. Such a shame watching it in High def and down to this crap.

Anyway, I guess I have to get it when it comes out on Blu-Ray.

So none of the graininess is in the HD version? I note that some of the shots in the hangar bay in "33" for instance are VERY grainy, but "33" was shot in HD, not film, and it doesn't look like DVD MPEG2 artifacting. The graininess is similar to the miniseries DVD, and that was shot on film.

Could they have been intentionally adding grain to some of the shots?

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Could they have been intentionally adding grain to some of the shots?

I have the Season 1 Finale on my high Def PVR and it is leaps and bounds in quality over these DVD. The colour is much more accurate.

[reader50]

Some of my observations from watching BSG.

• Episode #104 (Act of Contrition). There is something odd about the Doctor. Not Baltar, the medical Doctor Cottle. He's intelligent, but chain-smokes. He chided President Roslin for being intelligent, but missing her regular breast cancer exams. Dr Cottle has to know chainsmoking will kill him within 20 years or so. It follows that he has reason to know he won't be around in 20 years anyway. So he may have something terminal himself, though it isn't immediately fatal. This idea is possibly backed up by dialog in #107, where he is weaning Starbuck off the magic pills (pain killers) in part because he needs them himself. Alternative: He's got a terminal case of old age. Still an odd habit to pick up just for the last few years.
  
• In #108 (Flesh and Bone) they capture a Cylon humanoid model. Starbuck is sent to interrogate him. Although he looks human, he is software code running in an embedded computer. So, you are trying to question a computer and it isn't giving satisfactory answers. Do you follow this plan:
  1. Ask a question, get an unuseful answer.
  2. Hit it in the speaker grille many times.
  3. Dunk the monitor and keyboard in water.
  4. Re ask question and expect a different answer.
  Or, do you:
  1. Take it to a computer repair shop.
  2. Figure a way to tap in wirelessly.
  3. Hack through the access restrictions.
  4. Do a root job, gain full memory access.
  
  The Cylons had come back and infiltrated the Colonies some years before the attack. Boomer came from Troy, where a mining explosion "killed off her family". That would be when she was inserted into human society with fake memories from before. Allowing the Cylons some lead time to scout the Colonies and set up the accident, plus the time (4 years?) for Boomer to go through the academy afterwards, you get possibly 5 years of infiltration before the attack. This time frame depends on how long one spends in the academy. Assuming 2 years of academy, that could put the Cylon infiltration at perhaps 3 years back.
  
  With the Cylons having that much preparation time, they would have collected information on every senior government official and every senior military officer. Including medical records. Since they can penetrate any Colonial computer that they can get physical or network access to, it is reasonable to assume they reached all the medical records. ie - they knew Roslin had cancer before she left, and may even have set up her reasons for not getting exams. She never said why she didn't get exams, only that she was busy and the reasons were none of his business. Since she didn't get an exam for 5 years, this is another possible hint about when the Cylons first came back.
  
  Assuming the Cylons knew of Roslin's condition in advance, they could reasonably expect a medical call would go out within the fleet for Komala extract. Someone conveniently had a stash they'd protected through the end of the world, but that someone was willing to share once the medical call went out. Did the Cylons supply Roslin's pill supply? If so, some memory RNA in the pills would go a long way towards explaining her visions later on.
  
  President Roslin made a critical error in this episode. Once the Cylon lied to her, she had him tossed out the airlock. The Colonies are suffering from a critical lack of intelligence about the Cylons, and she just found out the nuke story was a lie. So there is no time limit, they could torture him as long as they liked. Instead, cut off the intelligence source. Of course, Adama made a worse error back in the miniseries. Mr. Dorel, having been implicated as a Cylon, is questioned extensively then executed. No wait, that would be the smart thing to do. Let's see, he's had virtually unlimited access within Galactica, including to the CIS. He's observed all the senior officers since the war began, and has an excellent idea how things stand in the fleet. So, you leave him on the Ragnar station with precious food and water. Let the Cylons pick him up so he can give them current intelligence. Yes, that's what we'll do.
  
• In #110 (The Hand of God) the fleet pulls a raid on a Cylon tillium refinery. They ask Dr. Baltar to look over the photographs and determine where partially-processed tillium is present in a refinery of this design. Why did they ask the doctor of computer software? I would have asked the lead engineer on the fleet's own tillium refining ship.
  
• #112 (Kobol part 1). They Cylons had found Kobol first, and sent the humans to find it. Boomer punched apparently random coordinates into her Raptor to survey a nearby sector. The Raptor jumped to low orbit of Kobol. Jumping light years and coming out that close isn't chance. Next, the base ship turns up too soon afterwards. There doesn't seem to be enough time for Boomer to get back, the word to get passed to other Cylon agents for transmission, and a base ship to be reassigned to Kobol. If the Cylons knew about it already and put on a show to make things difficult, the timing works out a lot better. This would also explain why a 2nd base ship never appeared when the first one didn't come back. Note: This isn't completely solid. If the base ship discovered Kobol during searches for the fleet, and sent the coordinates to Boomer, then there was no replacement base ship because the first base ship never reported the discovery. However, notes on #207 suggest the Cylons did reach Kobol first.
  
• In #202 (Valley of Darkness) we learn that Starbuck has a flat in Delphi. She was a combat flight instructor for the fleet, but often didn't pay her power bills. She does play cards a lot, which might explain where her pay goes, except that she has a reputation for winning. So where did most of her pay used to go? Maybe into all the guns she laid in for her truck. Still feels like she had something else her pay was going to.
  
  Does Starbuck living in Delphi mean the fleet academy is in Delphi? Not neccessarily, Starbuck may bunk at the fleet academy, which could be at Pychon fleet headquarters. However, if the Viper training school was at Delphi, there is an interesting chance to sneak in and load up on Vipers. Vipers that the Cylons may have worked on.
  
• #204 (Resistance) Background: The human brain and nervous system doesn't have enough power for long range radio transmissions. Especially if the body has just died and needs to make the transmission on residual power. The humanoid Cylon models upload their memory and personality data on death. The Cylons could increase the transmission power, but any serious changes would show up in medical scans. Therefore, it is implied that the system requires a relay network to function. Relays with longer range and buffer capability, for when they are out of range of other relays. Each Cylon on a solo mission should carry one around. Also, every Cylon ship should have one, just in case. Such a relay device would need to recognize other relays when they came within range. Do any such devices come to mind? The Colonials decided they were ID transponders only. They remind me of an Airport base station, with additional heat ventilation.
  
  
  Boomer died in an unsecured corridor via a shot through the heart. At least, we assume through the heart, because this explains why she died so quickly. Obviously Trinity didn't get stuck through the heart, because she stuck around long enough to give a sermon. Anyway, Boomer has a Cylon body and wasn't injured in the head. So did she die for keeps in that corridor, or did she get buffered in the nearest relay? If her body uploaded her to the network successfully, she'll eventually wake up in a spare body somewhere. Assuming the writers ever go that way.
  
• #206 (Home part 1) there is a stock footage glitch. Right after Sharon #2 plugs the last mechanical, there is an external shot of the Galactica in the 2/3 fleet. The older rotating-ring ship is visible in this shot, but it was one of the ships that jumped off to join the president's 1/3 fleet in #205.
  
• In #207 (Home part 2), they get into Athena's Tomb. The lobby anyway. The Cylons had been there first, but hadn't figured out anything. The tomb door didn't have any plant growth crossing between the door and frame, nothing that needed cutting. The door had been opened within recent weeks. The air inside wasn't stale, another indication it had been open recently. But there were no rodent or insect signs inside, which says it hadn't been open to the outside world for all those thousands of years.
  
  Starbuck sets the arrow into place and the group is transferred to some sort of pocket reality. The arrow didn't obviously go with them. How did they get back out afterwards? I can think of 3 possible reasons why the answer wasn't shown:
  1) The writers couldn't figure this one out themselves.
  2) It was cut for time reasons. We'll see it on DVD.
  3) It is important, so it will turn up in flashbacks and other clues over time.
  
• Episode #209, Flight of the Phoenix. The Cylon attack fleet approaches, sans base ships. We think they plan to destroy the fleet, but this contradicts the ending of #208 (Final Cut) where the humanoid Cylons discuss Sharon #2's baby, and that they must protect it at all costs. May this attack indicate factions within the Cylon organization? Perhaps the dominant faction witheld base ship support.
  
  Major continuity glitch in this episode: Vipers are launched to meet the Cylon attack fleet. Approximately half the Vipers are Mark 2's, the other half are Mark 7's. There is only one Mark 7 on Galactica at this time. Speculation: This episode was originally planned to follow Pegasus.

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General notes, not specific to any one episode.

We're told that some 40 years ago, the Colonies stopped a war they were presumably winning to call an armistice with the Cylons. The Cylons pull out to other worlds, the Colonials stay put. No monitoring. Since the Colonials stay put (within the Red Line?), they have basically conceded the rest of the galaxy to the Cylons. Afterwards, the Colonies do not seem to engage in a massive 40-year military buildup. Instead, life as usual, Cylon problem taken care of. On the face of it, this is beyond stupid. It is the sort of solution that would have Cabinet members resigning in protest, and Commanders having to be arrested for refusing orders and continuing the fight.

Alternative: The Colonies had begun to lose the last war. The Cylon's superior organizing and computer networks were making a difference. A loss isn't imminent, but it is clear the Colonies will lose within a decade or two. So the human leaders cut a deal. The Cylons withdraw and the humans stay put. The Cylons are free to develop resources, and the humans get peace for their children, until all the leaders of the time die natural deaths. In this scenario, the Cylons have actually kept their end of the bargain.

Question, does President Roslin really have cancer? All her scans were done by computerized medical systems. The Cylons had access to the computers on Caprica whenever they felt like it, and multiple agents were aboard Galactica before/during most of Roslin's scans.

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I'm liking this series. The background details are being paid attention to.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

reader50 some interesting points but I think you are looking too deep into little things which probably are just oversights.

For example the Dr. seems like he was making a joke about needing the pills himself.

The biggest mystery for me is Dr. Baltar and 6. 6 seems to be helping in most regards but if she wanted to she could give away the fleet position at any time. Other times she seems just as surprised at the Cylons actions. Almost like there are two factions and the human Cylons have their own agenda secretly without the toasters.

[Ozmodiar]

[Ganesha]

Extra Mark 7's is not an error.

In the final battle sequence (of the miniseries) you can clearly see a mix of Mark 7's and 2's during the viper launch sequence.

Early Gaeta makes a comment about purging the command and control program from the remaining Mark 7. Of course where these Mark 7's come from, is anyone's guess. They clearly were not available when Starbuck got out of the brig, because they would of used them if they were (Galactica's fighters hadn't been wiped out yet). My guess? They are random surviving fighters each of them having a 'hardware' program them rendered them immune and saved them long enough to find the fleet.

[Eriamjh]

reader50: Holy Frak. That's a lot of felgercarb! How long did that take?

Starbuck sets the arrow into place and the group is transferred to some sort of pocket reality. The arrow didn't obviously go with them. How did they get back out afterwards?

My answer: Holgram projection with limited time. Once it ended, they were back in the room they started in. They left after emptying their shorts. No need to show it.

[Eug Wanker]

Wow. I thought I was a BSG fan, but I get visions of reader50 showing up at a sci-fi convention, following Ronald D. Moore into the bathroom, and then locking him in there and giving him the 3rd degree.

Anyways, a few of the things are answered in his podcasts and DVD commentaries, etc. One comment from Ronald Moore that seems pertinent here... In the commentary on the DVD for Episode 101 - "33", he states that when he wrote the Helo/Boomer on Caprica thing, he had absolutely no idea what was going to come of it. There was no plan whatsoever.

BTW, a LOT of doctors around the world smoke, even now. In the past a LOT of doctors in North America smoked too. In fact, I've met a chain-smoking thoracic surgeon. Cottle smokes... cuz he smokes. It's stupid, and a bad example for his patients and for young TV viewers, but it adds colour to his character.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

I found a tiny blooper. You know when starbuck is interrogating the cylon and the throws the desk. Look at starbuck when he tosses the desk, it is a stunt double and it is really obvious.

Also, I mentioned the XO officers wife picture being a different woman in the picture in the premiere. Before the episode where they find her they do that "last time on battlestar" and they show the same scene with the XO burning the whole in the pic, but this time they reshot it to have the new acress's face.

[deej5871]

That. Was. AWESOME.

Best episode yet by far.

I'm off to listen to the podcast.

[Myriad]

I think tonight's episode had a few weak points and wasn't the best of the season. It seemed a little strange that an entire battlestar can be crewed by nothing but assholes, and some of the music in the episode was a departure from previous episodes, and it didn't quite work for me. The scene at the end with Caine and Adama speaking makes up for most of that though. No other scene has created quite as much tension in the series so far.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by deej5871

That. Was. AWESOME.

Best episode yet by far.

I'm off to listen to the podcast.

I thought it was a bit heavy-handed. Oooh, she shoots anyone who won't follow orders! Oooh, their interrogator is a sadistic rapist! They were so obvious about it, the only surprise was that the first officer wasn't Snidely Whiplash.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Myriad

I think tonight's episode had a few weak points and wasn't the best of the season. It seemed a little strange that an entire battlestar can be crewed by nothing but assholes

It didn't seem like it was. I got the impression that it was led by assholes and crewed by people too afraid to do anything about it. Remember the guy Tigh was talking to, who let spill about Caine being eeevil? And the engineer Tyrol met who seemed to be serving on the Pegasus against his will?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Myriad

I think tonight's episode had a few weak points and wasn't the best of the season. It seemed a little strange that an entire battlestar can be crewed by nothing but assholes, and some of the music in the episode was a departure from previous episodes, and it didn't quite work for me. The scene at the end with Caine and Adama speaking makes up for most of that though. No other scene has created quite as much tension in the series so far.

It's a newer Battlestar and the crew is cocky.

I also get the feeling the upper ups have always been corrupt. Something is wrong with Adama being the older officer and having so much experience (remember he was in the first Cylon war) and he's still in command of the rickity old Galatica. Somewhere politics have kept him from really getting ahead.

Galatica was not the ship full of the hot shots, it probably was given the worst crew. This is why Galactica is probably ego free compared to Pegasus.

[cpt kangarooski]

Well, Adama was also out of the service for a while after the war (when he met Tigh), and so that could've also delayed his career somewhat.

With regards to this latest episode, I wonder if Adama will try to pull in Roslin. He has an ok relationship with her, and she's Cain's commander-in-chief, presumably. One would expect that she can give her orders, grant pardons, or even fire her if need be. Of course, I recall the Pegasus episode from the old Galactica -- Cain was basically an asshole there too. Not so dangerous, but in need of being reined in all the time.

[iLikebeer]

woah, i need to stop reading before i see last night's episode
almost got some spoilers there

[Eriamjh]

Militarily, the Galactica's crew are bunch of slackers. However, in a situation such as theirs, there is room for slack.

Ironically, the usually under-paced episode seemed to fly by in this instance. Within the hour, the whole "Meeting the Pegasus" thing is on rocky ground. We know how it will end, though (duH!).

Now we wait till january for some new shows. No European posts here please before the broadcast in the US, please! (If they are showing the second half of the season in Europe before it airs here.)

[scottiB]

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

No European posts here please before the broadcast in the US, please! (If they are showing the second half of the season in Europe before it airs here.)

I believe Europe and Canada will be seeing the remaining 10 episodes of season 2 at the same time or after the U.S. does.

Also, Moore said that the director's initial edit of the episode clocked-in at 90 minutes. That version will be on the the season 2 DVDs (whether in addition to or instead of this episode, he didn't say).

Good ep (B+). It did fly by, but I think that was due to the extreme editing needed for 60 minutes. Some of the Pegasus background had to be omitted.

Also, the podcast for last week's episode, "The Flight of the Phoenix", is available. Moore said that after he recorded and submitted it, half of the file was missing, so he redid it. Very nice of him.

[deej5871]

Originally Posted by cpt kangarooski

With regards to this latest episode, I wonder if Adama will try to pull in Roslin. He has an ok relationship with her, and she's Cain's commander-in-chief, presumably. One would expect that she can give her orders, grant pardons, or even fire her if need be. Of course, I recall the Pegasus episode from the old Galactica -- Cain was basically an asshole there too. Not so dangerous, but in need of being reined in all the time.

That's what I had thought, that Roslin was commander-in-chief. Yet in the ep, she talks about how Cain won't even take her calls. Weird.

And I wouldn't try and draw too many parallels between this ep and the Pegasus episode from the old Galactica; in the podcast Moore says he wanted to do something completely different than the original.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Funny how the early posts in this thread are really negative. The premiere blew me away. Before this new series I never watched 1 second of the original, perhaps that is why I liked it.

I watched the original movie a couple months ago, I was so bored that after and hour I didn't pay much attention.

[Ozmodiar]

Agreed. Sometimes I catch an episode of the original series on Sci Fi and it's just incredibly boring.

[cpt kangarooski]

Re: Roslin and Cain, the main problem is that Cain doesn't really seem to acknowledge Roslin's authority. But then, what else is new in BSG. Still, Cain disobeying orders from her CinC -- if they're given in the next ep. -- might undermine her position aboard Pegasus if its officers and crew are more inclined to respect Roslin. Given that it sounds as though Cain's been impressing people from other surviving ships and is a trigger-happy nutjob, she might not have as solid a position as she thinks.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by cpt kangarooski

Re: Roslin and Cain, the main problem is that Cain doesn't really seem to acknowledge Roslin's authority. But then, what else is new in BSG. Still, Cain disobeying orders from her CinC -- if they're given in the next ep. -- might undermine her position aboard Pegasus if its officers and crew are more inclined to respect Roslin. Given that it sounds as though Cain's been impressing people from other surviving ships and is a trigger-happy nutjob, she might not have as solid a position as she thinks.

Exactly, a few of the other ships are armed and her crew is not going to want to kill off the rest of the human fleet. Roslin could also pull the religious card on the Pegasus.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by deej5871

That's what I had thought, that Roslin was commander-in-chief. Yet in the ep, she talks about how Cain won't even take her calls. Weird.

If you remember, Adama didn't initially recognize her authority either. Remember when Apollo was siding with Roslin, and Adama said the same thing Caine did? "That's the SECRETARY OF EDUCATION!"

What's really weird is that everybody in the military seems to know who the secretary of education was. Can you name the U.S. Secretary of Education?

[Eug Wanker]

It was very good, but the music at the beginning of the Pegasus really annoyed the hell out of me. Now we get to wait until 2006 to see what happens.

P.S. My sis' is annoyed. I gave her son season 1 and he watched all of it in 3 days. Didn't want to leave the house for anything.

I believe Europe and Canada will be seeing the remaining 10 episodes of season 2 at the same time or after the U.S. does.

Apparently the plan was to have the last 10 episodes of season 2 air in Canada near the same as it does in the US, but it sounds now like it might be several weeks later. Not sure though.

Anyone have an exact air date for season 2 part 2 in the US (or England)?

[Ozmodiar]

I remember reading somewhere that the seasons pick up again on January 14th, but I can't seem to find it now.

[iLikebeer]

I thought it was odd that in the meeting with the President, Adamo, and the Admiral, they didn't talk about anything about finding earth or what the plan would be with 2 battlestars in the fleet. They didn't really talk about anything, they got emotional and called it a day.

[Gankdawg]

I've been really impressed with this new series, I'm hooked.

And for those that have never seen the original series and are now catching episodes here and there, I think you'll never get it unless you grew up watching it.