[macintologist]

I just watched a video (thanks Mac Write) of Steve Jobs at Macworld Expo Boston 1997 announcing the partnership between Microsoft and Apple, and WOW, that was incredible. In order to fully enjoy and get emotional over the video, you have to understand the context.

The press was predicting Apple's doom for the past 2 years and the Mac faithful were loosing hope.

We didn't have G3s/G4s/G5 to blow the PCs out of the water in speed tests (although the 604 was pretty nice)
We didn't have cool looking computers like the iMac and super-sexy laptops like the Powerbook 17"
We didn't have Mac OS X, we had just gotten OS 8, and that sucked compared to Windows and Linux (no multitasking, no protected memory, no Aqua)
We didn't have iTunes or iTMS or the iPod to spread the message of Apple to the masses
No iMovie, no Garageband, no iPhoto, no Airport Express
No XServe

It truly was the worst time ever to be a Mac fan, and we were loosing hope, and doubted the future of our platform.

And here was Steve Jobs talking in such a low tone about his plan to rescue Apple, and it involved figuratively becoming Microsoft's bitch.

Wow what an awesome video that was. it was probably one of the smartest moves Apple ever made. Definitely one of the most important events in Apple history.

God Bless Steve Jobs I think many Mac fans have forgotten the gloomy past, and some of us weren't even Mac users back then. We should appreciate what he has done for this company and the Mac platform.

[nate_02]

broken link

[Luca Rescigno]

Fix the link.

[macintologist]

Done. I had to use tinyurl.com The link was getting messed up whenever I posted it for some reason.

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by nate_02:
broken link

Try this!

[angelmb]

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Try this!

Nice one the_glassman, thanks.

[itistoday]

Steve won't be with us forever sadly, and the question arises, who, who could possibly fill his shoes? I hope it's not Shiller. We need someone who's as charismatic as Steve, and someone with his great vision. Let's hope that Steve chooses his successor wisely.

[demograph68]

That was a scary thing to watch. Steve made a good point though when he said,"We have to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose."

[ManOfSteal]

In Steve We Trust.®

[Truepop]

Soooo much hostility from the audience

[ironknee]

too bad the video guys never had a full shot of bill on the screen and steve watching him

[Drakino]

Whoever maintains the second site linked up there might want to check the Macworld 2001 Ney York keynote, as the download I got dies at 1:10:05. Redownloaded it to get the same result.

[OwlBoy]

Wow I have never been able to see this, thanks for posting!

All I have seen the the Pirate of Silicon Valley interpretation

-Owl

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by macintologist:
We didn't have G3s/G4s/G5 to blow the PCs out of the water in speed tests (although the 604 was pretty nice)

Actually the situation with the PowerPC relative to Intel was much better in the 604e days, especially near the end. During those times, we had 350 MHz and Intel only had 266. Plus, the 604e had a clock-for-clock performance advantage.

[Kenneth]

I like the one Steve mention something about the software or the partnership.. something like.. if they didn't do a good job.. it's our fault.

Hey.. I joined the Mac world back in 1996 and I didn't worry about anything. Love to see the reaction from the crowd.

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by manofsteal:
In Steve We Trust.®

... amen

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by Truepop:
Soooo much hostility from the audience

yeah i noticed that too ... bill wasnt too bothered .. probly for the same reason why he had a smug smile on his face the whole time... he's not a very good speaker though .. is he?

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by macintologist:
I just watched a video (thanks Mac Write) of Steve Jobs at Macworld Expo Boston 1997 announcing the partnership between Microsoft and Apple, and WOW, that was incredible. In order to fully enjoy and get emotional over the video, you have to understand the context.

The press was predicting Apple's doom for the past 2 years and the Mac faithful were loosing hope.

We didn't have G3s/G4s/G5 to blow the PCs out of the water in speed tests (although the 604 was pretty nice)
We didn't have cool looking computers like the iMac and super-sexy laptops like the Powerbook 17"
We didn't have Mac OS X, we had just gotten OS 8, and that sucked compared to Windows and Linux (no multitasking, no protected memory, no Aqua)
We didn't have iTunes or iTMS or the iPod to spread the message of Apple to the masses
No iMovie, no Garageband, no iPhoto, no Airport Express
No XServe

It truly was the worst time ever to be a Mac fan, and we were loosing hope, and doubted the future of our platform.

And here was Steve Jobs talking in such a low tone about his plan to rescue Apple, and it involved figuratively becoming Microsoft's bitch.

Wow what an awesome video that was. it was probably one of the smartest moves Apple ever made. Definitely one of the most important events in Apple history.

God Bless Steve Jobs I think many Mac fans have forgotten the gloomy past, and some of us weren't even Mac users back then. We should appreciate what he has done for this company and the Mac platform.

i saw that after trying to figure out a times news cover where it says microsoft saves apple and i was wondering what that meant... it's a trip ...

[MilkmanDan]

Apple needs to start work on a Robo-Steve, one that will never die and has the ability to absorb new Apple technology at will.

Plus, now he'll have a built in microphone and built in wireless connection, so you can stream video directly from his brain!

[cszar2001]

Originally posted by manofsteal:
In Steve We Trust.®

[Truepop]

Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
Apple needs to start work on a Robo-Steve, one that will never die and has the ability to absorb new Apple technology at will.

Plus, now he'll have a built in microphone and built in wireless connection, so you can stream video directly from his brain!

nah, they'll just train noah wyle.

[cszar2001]

Thanks for the link!
Should be required viewing for every Mac fan.
I loved the way he let the audiences reaction go on and on and then said "We at Apple believe in choice"!

[wdlove]

I enjoyed the video, thanks for the link.

God Bless Steve Jobs.

[ironknee]

Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
Apple needs to start work on a Robo-Steve, one that will never die and has the ability to absorb new Apple technology at will.

Plus, now he'll have a built in microphone and built in wireless connection, so you can stream video directly from his brain!

how about combining steve's dna into OS X

[MallyMal]

Originally posted by ironknee:
how about combining steve's dna into OS X

Then OS X would just say "Boom" all the time.

[demograph68]

Steve Jobs returns to Apple Real Media (Fast Connection)

[dlefebvre]

He spoke like a true visionary.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by manofsteal:
In Steve We Trust.®

What would happen to Apple if he is gone ?

M$ will always be able to exist without Bill.
As we see right now, it can be run by a monkey.

But Apple w/o Steve, gosh, scary thought...

-t

[macintologist]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Steve Jobs returns to Apple Real Media (Fast Connection)

Is there any way to hack a realmedia stream and have it download to your computer? This thing rebuffers every 15 seconds :/

[Superchicken]

Downloading... I've always wanted to see this.

[demograph68]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Is there any way to hack a realmedia stream and have it download to your computer? This thing rebuffers every 15 seconds :/

MPEG1 287.2 MB Option Click

[driven]

Case in point: Look how Apple's stock tanked when Steve went into the hospital for his recent illness.

We need a SIT. (Steve-in-training). (Assuming such a thing CAN be trained.).

I kind of rank Jobs up there with Edison and the like. His type is EXTREMELY rare.

[funkboy]

Originally posted by driven:
Case in point: Look how Apple's stock tanked when Steve went into the hospital for his recent illness.

We need a SIT. (Steve-in-training). (Assuming such a thing CAN be trained.).

I kind of rank Jobs up there with Edison and the like. His type is EXTREMELY rare.

I imagine there are some Steves-in-training. I'm sure Jobs would be absolutely and completely picky over who would be this person - unless he gets ousted by the board again, he will probably handpick who secedes him.

Will the next Jobs come from the league of Mac-heads out there? Will he be a more business-y type guy? I think that idea of Apple CEO tanked with Gil, though I could be wrong.

We need a holistic CEO.

I think I could do it... but how will Steve allow someone to try?

[Hash]

Its a long story, but I will never forget that I owe Apple so much I probably never can repay. Long live Jobs, Apple and Macintosh computer,the father, son and the saint spirit.

[tavilach]

Originally posted by funkboy:
I imagine there are some Steves-in-training. I'm sure Jobs would be absolutely and completely picky over who would be this person - unless he gets ousted by the board again, he will probably handpick who secedes him.

Will the next Jobs come from the league of Mac-heads out there? Will he be a more business-y type guy? I think that idea of Apple CEO tanked with Gil, though I could be wrong.

We need a holistic CEO.

I think I could do it... but how will Steve allow someone to try?

Omar!

[ironknee]

Originally posted by demograph68:
MPEG1 287.2 MB Option Click

thank you man this rocks

i remember watching computer chronicals and thought the guy was pretty fair to macs...

[macaddict0001]

Originally posted by Lancer409:
yeah i noticed that too ... bill wasnt too bothered .. probly for the same reason why he had a smug smile on his face the whole time... he's not a very good speaker though .. is he?

it might have been a prerecorded message

[goMac]

Originally posted by macintologist:
We didn't have Mac OS X, we had just gotten OS 8, and that sucked compared to Windows and Linux (no multitasking, no protected memory, no Aqua)

Actually Mac OS 8 may have saved the Mac platform by acting as a stop gap against Windows. A new feature in Mac OS 8 was pre-emptive multitasking. It wasn't true multitasking, but it allowed applications to do more than one thing at once. It wasn't until Mac OS 8 that you could copy a file while you do other things. Mac OS 7.6 had no multitasking whatsoever. If you were, say, copying a file you could not do anything else on the machine. Only one action could be running at a time. Compare this to Windows 9.X which always had pre-emptive multitasking (only NT had full multitasking).

[MindFad]

[Lancer409]

Originally posted by MindFad:

lol

[driven]

Originally posted by goMac:
Actually Mac OS 8 may have saved the Mac platform by acting as a stop gap against Windows. A new feature in Mac OS 8 was pre-emptive multitasking. It wasn't true multitasking, but it allowed applications to do more than one thing at once. It wasn't until Mac OS 8 that you could copy a file while you do other things. Mac OS 7.6 had no multitasking whatsoever. If you were, say, copying a file you could not do anything else on the machine. Only one action could be running at a time. Compare this to Windows 9.X which always had pre-emptive multitasking (only NT had full multitasking).

I think you are referring to cooperative multi-tasking.
Windows 9x only had pre-emptive mt on 32 bit apps. 16 bit apps still acted cooperatively.

[Stogieman]

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Try this!

I can't get the link to work.

[Brass]

Originally posted by goMac:
Actually Mac OS 8 may have saved the Mac platform by acting as a stop gap against Windows. A new feature in Mac OS 8 was pre-emptive multitasking. It wasn't true multitasking, but it allowed applications to do more than one thing at once. It wasn't until Mac OS 8 that you could copy a file while you do other things. Mac OS 7.6 had no multitasking whatsoever. If you were, say, copying a file you could not do anything else on the machine. Only one action could be running at a time. Compare this to Windows 9.X which always had pre-emptive multitasking (only NT had full multitasking).

errr.... no.

Macs back as far as System 6 had multi-tasking. It was a cooperative multi-tasking, not a pre-emptive multitasking, but it worked reasonably well, allowing you to run several applications simultaneously.

Pre-emptive multi-tasking was introduced on the Mac with Mac OS X, NOT 8.

Cooperative multi-tasking WAS true multi-tasking. It just wasn't pre-emptive multi-tasking.

I think maybe you're getting multi-tasking confused with multi-threading. It is multi-threading that allows a single application to do more than one thing at a time.

Eg, Finder could have one thread copy files and and another thread empty the Trash.

[goMac]

Originally posted by Brass:
errr.... no.

Macs back as far as System 6 had multi-tasking. It was a cooperative multi-tasking, not a pre-emptive multitasking, but it worked reasonably well, allowing you to run several applications simultaneously.

Pre-emptive multi-tasking was introduced on the Mac with Mac OS X, NOT 8.

Cooperative multi-tasking WAS true multi-tasking. It just wasn't pre-emptive multi-tasking.

I think maybe you're getting multi-tasking confused with multi-threading. It is multi-threading that allows a single application to do more than one thing at a time.

Eg, Finder could have one thread copy files and and another thread empty the Trash.

Fraid you're wrong on both counts.

http://www.pearson.ch/pageid/34/arti...Technical.aspx

"How Mac OS 8 exploits preemptive multitasking to perform many operations concurrently"


System 6 also did not contain any multitasking whatsoever. What you're probably thinking of is MultiFinder. MultiFinder allowed you to run multiple applications at once, and was built into System 7 eventually. I spent long periods of time on System 6 and 7 waiting for it to finish tasks because it could only do one thing at once. Multiple Applications at once != MultiTasking. MultiTasking is the ability for all the apps to be doing several tasks at once. For example, Under System 7 I could not play write an email and perform a copy at the same time. On System 8 you could.

[SamuraiDL]

still having trouble seeing the link...

[euphras]

Originally posted by manofsteal:
In Steve We Trust.®

Secondinated

[macaddict0001]

Originally posted by euphras:

Originally posted by manofsteal:

In Steve We Trust.®

Secondinated

Thirdinated

[driven]

Originally posted by macaddict0001:
Secondinated

Thirdinated [/QUOTE]

Quadrated !?!?!

[turtle777]

Originally posted by driven:
Quadrated !?!?! [/B]

It's Quadrinated, is that so hard ?

-t