[Zimphire]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133720,00.html

Why are people beginning to take less responsibilities for their actions lately? Or is it that I have just been noticing it?

20 minutes is not a LONG time for a Ambulance to get to a place. Depending on were it is located.

I am sure she let him play with electrical outlets using forks as well. And then we he got shocked, probably sued the electric company for making such lethal voltages.

[icruise]

Come on, her kid just died. She was probably in the wrong, but can you blame her for wanting to lash out at someone?

[Zimphire]

Yes I can. One's first reaction shouldn't be "Who can I blame this on"

That isn't normal. That isn't helping. People shouldn't be promoting or excusing that kind of behavior.

I am not saying she should sob and blame herself even though ultimately she was really the one to fault.

How many moms do you know that would let there little kid play with a rubber glove? I mean come on.. I even grab for a plastic bag when I was even 5 and my mom have it out of my hand before I could even do anything with it.

Blaming the ambulance wont help if she has another kid, and lets him do what he wishes.

It's not like the lady didn't know, she sat there and SAW him playing with it. Told him to stop, and then went on ignoring. That is not parenting by any means. The lady needed a hard slap of reality. It sucks it had to be this.

I see parents all day long that expect the neighborhood to watch their kids. I've had to personally escort kids home that were playing ON my car, and messing with my outside faucet.

People just don't take raising kids as seriously as they used to. And it's showing.

[the_glassman]

I do blame it on the paramedics, they obviously weren't driving a Neon, or they would of obviously been able to get there in time to save the child!

[itai195]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
People just don't take raising kids as seriously as they used to. And it's showing.

That's impossible to prove. Maybe you never realized there were so many bad parents out in the world.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes I can. One's first reaction shouldn't be "Who can I blame this on"

That isn't normal. That isn't helping. People shouldn't be promoting or excusing that kind of behavior.

I am not saying she should sob and blame herself even though ultimately she was really the one to fault.

Sadly, I think this is more widespread than in just parenting. I'm continually shocked by people I meet from teenagers to retirement age people who are never at fault for anything (in their opinion). I don't know if its really more widespread now than in the past .. or if its just that we hear about it more.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by itai195:
That's impossible to prove. Maybe you never realized there were so many bad parents out in the world.

Maybe indeed. And it's probably the case.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Krusty:
Sadly, I think this is more widespread than in just parenting. I'm continually shocked by people I meet from teenagers to retirement age people who are never at fault for anything (in their opinion). I don't know if its really more widespread now than in the past .. or if its just that we hear about it more.

I hear it all the time. A year ago someone wrecked into me a totaled my car. It was obvious she was at fault. Yet she kept SCREAMING that I hit her and I was at fault. Even though she was in my lane. Doesn't matter, it was my fault. She said so.

The police even had to put her in the back seat because she told them that they better not write her a ticket, and put her as fault or she would SUE THEM. They all laughed about it.

I couldn't believe the denial. She was even talking on her cellphone and admitted it! Then changed her story later.

[qualey2]

should have taken the glove away from the child

[phoenixboy70]

how in the fu<k do you choke on a rubber glove?

anyway, they should have just shot the mother and gotten on with it...

[IonCable]

My sister-in-law was drunk driving and hit a fire-hydrant. After the accident she was complaining that this would have never happened if the city did put that hydrant in such a stupid place. My other sister-in-law was complaining that her Cell-phone that she hadn't paid the bill on for 6 months got shut-off. Her comment, "Don't they understand that I NEED my cellphone." This kind of behavior is all over the place. It's never "my" fault. there is always someone to blame.

I blame the laywers.

[DeathToWindows]

Grrr. Can't we have an intelligence requirement to procreate?

[hayesk]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
how in the fu<k do you choke on a rubber glove?

Latex glove - very light. If the child had it in his mouth, one gasp for air could have sucked it right to the back of the throat.

[dav]

sad, but not surprising. look around here, nobody's ever wrong, arguments boil down to metaphysical crap.

[chris v]

I love the quality journalism there.

"Man, allot of parents are lousy! Grrr!"

Classic stuff.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by hayesk:
Latex glove - very light. If the child had it in his mouth, one gasp for air could have sucked it right to the back of the throat.

the entire glove???

i think that story is total bunk!

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by chris v:
I love the quality journalism there.

"Man, allot of parents are lousy! Grrr!"

Classic stuff.

hmmmm. let's see...oh yeah, - it's FOX NEWS!!! and total garbage! what a surprise.

[andi*pandi]

let's place the blame where it really lies--a five year old should know better.



but all the same this sounds like a completely made up story.

[DeathMan]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
the entire glove???

i think that story is total bunk!

Its not the type of glove you wash your toilet with, its the type of glove your doctor puts on when he checks your prostate.

[wdlove]

Sadly we live in a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions.

[Sven G]

Originally posted by wdlove:
Sadly we live in a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions.

Why?

Maybe those who failed to change the world, years ago, suddenly "decided" that, after all, they could even deal with living without their previous ideals: I think this is a common thing with all failed pseudo-revolutions of the more or less recent past, BTW.

As someone (rather known, maybe, in Europe - don't know elsewhere) said: change everything in order to change nothing...

... Which, essentially, also sums up the history of mankind, if the very concept of change (see responsibility, ultimately) doesn't evolve itself...

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by wdlove:
Sadly we live in a society that doesn't want to take responsibility for their actions.

yes, especially those in power. sad indeed.

[PacHead]

I blame the parents. (again)

[James L]

Originally posted by the_glassman:
I do blame it on the paramedics, they obviously weren't driving a Neon, or they would of obviously been able to get there in time to save the child!

You obviously have NO concept of a day in the life of a paramedic, and if you weren't joking in that post than you possibly are the most ignorant person I have ever read a post from.

Here was my day yesterday at work (a 14 hour shift):

1) A stat (lights and sirens transfer) from a community hospital to a pediatric speciality hospital with a young menengitis patient.

2) On the way back from that call, a 3 car MVA with 2 fatalities... one of them a 2 year old child of one of the drivers). It was a bad day for kids.

3) Helped a lady who was senile and had been on the floor of her apartment for days before being found up. Wiped poo off her bottom, convinced her to come to the hospital with me, assessed her, fed her cat, and discussed her situation with a social worker.

4) Had 24 minutes of down time, then transported a gentleman having chest pain to the hospital.

5) Got vomited on twice by a patient having an allergic reaction to his dinner.

6) Did another routine transfer from a hospital back to a nursing home post hip replacement.

7) Transported an unconscious teenager from a basketball court to a level one trauma center with a head injury.

8) Got assaulted by a drunk that didn't want our help after a bystander called us. He spit in the eye of my partner. he was HIV positive. She is now undergoing tests as he had a bleed near his mouth and some blood might have hit her eye. She will know in 6 months whether she has HIV or not.

9) Assisted another crew with a lift assist on a large patient.

10) Performed CPR on a 93 year old gentleman who went into a cardiac arrest. he did not survive.

... dude, if you don't know what our days are like then you have NO idea of what you speak.

[storer]

Originally posted by Icruise:
Come on, her kid just died. She was probably in the wrong, but can you blame her for wanting to lash out at someone?

yeh, exactly. She just lost her child, so she wants someone to blame. It probably wasn't completely her fault.

[drive-thru]

Originally posted by DeathMan:
Its not the type of glove you wash your toilet with, its the type of glove your doctor puts on when he checks your prostate.

[hayesk]

Originally posted by James L:
You obviously have NO concept of a day in the life of a paramedic, and if you weren't joking in that post than you possibly are the most ignorant person I have ever read a post from.

He was joking about Zimphire's Neon zealotry.

[rjenkinson]

20 min. is too long for an ambulance to arrive. i can take the bus to one of the farther away ambulance stations in my city, passing the hospital along the way.

-r.

[chris v]

Originally posted by James L:
You obviously have NO concept of a day in the life of a paramedic, and if you weren't joking in that post than you possibly are the most ignorant person I have ever read a post from.

Here was my day yesterday at work (a 14 hour shift):

1) A stat (lights and sirens transfer) from a community hospital to a pediatric speciality hospital with a young menengitis patient.

2) On the way back from that call, a 3 car MVA with 2 fatalities... one of them a 2 year old child of one of the drivers). It was a bad day for kids.

3) Helped a lady who was senile and had been on the floor of her apartment for days before being found up. Wiped poo off her bottom, convinced her to come to the hospital with me, assessed her, fed her cat, and discussed her situation with a social worker.

4) Had 24 minutes of down time, then transported a gentleman having chest pain to the hospital.

5) Got vomited on twice by a patient having an allergic reaction to his dinner.

6) Did another routine transfer from a hospital back to a nursing home post hip replacement.

7) Transported an unconscious teenager from a basketball court to a level one trauma center with a head injury.

8) Got assaulted by a drunk that didn't want our help after a bystander called us. He spit in the eye of my partner. he was HIV positive. She is now undergoing tests as he had a bleed near his mouth and some blood might have hit her eye. She will know in 6 months whether she has HIV or not.

9) Assisted another crew with a lift assist on a large patient.

10) Performed CPR on a 93 year old gentleman who went into a cardiac arrest. he did not survive.

... dude, if you don't know what our days are like then you have NO idea of what you speak.

Keep up the good work. Thank you.

[*not racist*]

20 minutes is a long time for an ambulence, but it doesn't matter since the woman is a **** and her idiot kid choked himself dead.

[James L]

Originally posted by hayesk:
He was joking about Zimphire's Neon zealotry.

If it was a joke then I apologize, but I hate it when people think they can do whatever stupid things they want, and then it is the paramedics fault when it doesn't come out smelling like roses.

While I agree that 20 minute response times are too long, this is not the fault of the paramedics. If anything, it is probably a result of a health care system where there are too few emerg beds resulting in crews being unable to get back out on the streets in a timely fashion, and understaffing on the street level of ambulances resulting in too few cars to handle the call volume. This creates situations where there are calls coming into the dispatch center, and no available cars on the streets to handle them. Dispatchers killing themselves trying to pull cars in from outlying communities to cross cover, or yank cars out of the hospital before they are done to get them rolling to the next call.

Then, when something goes wrong, it is the guys on the street that get blamed. And, it could easily be fixed, but then we would have to raise taxes to do it and people freak over that.

The real bummer is that in a call with an electrocution, those people quite often never come back. The ambulance could arrive in 5 seconds, 5 minutes, or 5 hours and it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other. Ambulances are the safety net when all other things have failed. Where was the mother or the primary caregiver of this child? Where was the education?

Cheers!

James