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If you talk too loud, you're thrown to the ground
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Since I'm currently living and working in Washington DC, I encounter people like this on the Metro each and every day. They yell into their cell phones and have a total disregard for the other passengers. I don't feel bad that the police have decided to curb the cellphone behavior, however, it is very wrong of that officer to physically handle a pregnant woman like that.
Thanks for sharing the article. I haven't heard any news about this on the tv or Washington Post. I'm glad that you mentioned this article...now I can share it with some co-workers.
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Hmm... methinks that the cop will be out on his arse shortly...
That is called enforcing an incorrect law with undue violence...
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He should have wrote her a ticket and be done with it. Physical force was not necessary.
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Speech is not a crime. Disturbing the peace, however, is a misdemeanor, and even if you do so using speech, the First Amendment will not save you from prosecution for that.
This is a rather common misconception: the truth is, there are no limits on free speech itself. In the famous example, you cannot be arrested for yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. You can be arrested for causing a panic, but if you don't cause a panic -for example, if there actually is a fire in the theater- then the law cannot touch you.
This said, however, it certainly appears that undue violence was used in this arrest, and that is a problem. The concept of the arrest, however, was not.
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I think it's the violence that has me shaking my head. I'm sure there's many steps one could take before manhandling someone as the officer did. As to those who blast a lung-full down their cell phones; it is annoying to be standing next to them, especially in a shop, or somewhere inside.
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i'm sure the metro cop is going to get off free with no punishments. he needs to be fired for throwing a pregnant woman onto the ground, and then kneeing her back.
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Originally posted by fireside:
i'm sure the metro cop is going to get off free with no punishments. he needs to be fired for throwing a pregnant woman onto the ground, and then kneeing her back.
Oh, I quite agree. I was just hoping to make clear that the issue here was police brutality, not free speech.
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was the cop being "brutal"? was the woman being loud and abusive towards an officer of the law? was the cop actually threatened enough by a pregnant woman on a celphone that he felt it necessary to put her on the ground and cuff her?
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According to this...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/28/pho....ap/index.html
Woman was abusive, uncooperative, and cursing during her cell phone conversation.
Woman was "placed" to the ground, not necessarily "thrown" to the ground.
Not everything is the cops fault. If the woman wasn't pregnant, she wouldn't make the news. I really don't think someone would be placed to the ground unless that person was acting harshly.
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Yeah, yeah... Bla bla bla.
Sick country: metro police? What's that? Do you need policemen to behave in a civil way? (Question also for the Europeans, of course, as the situation here isn't all that better.)
Give me a break...
(Then, the woman in question might or might not have had a "disrespectful" (?) behaviour: that's only for the other metro users to decide upon, ultimately, and maybe try to talk with her - not some policeman pseudo-slave, who does it only for the money of his/her salary!)
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Don't they arrest you on the Metro if you're eating, too? 
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Originally posted by GoGoReggieXPowars:
Don't they arrest you on the Metro if you're eating, too?
If they catch you, yes. The metro is nice and clean. Last weekend, in the train I was on, there were some people working on their mcdonalds food, and making a mess.
Personally, I think it'd be easier, if, if you are making a racket on your phone, the cop or whoever simply removes the phone from your hand, smashes it to pieces, and walks away. People would shut up so much faster.
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