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Superchicken · Oct 1, 2004, 10:54 PM

Well MacNN is reporting rumours of a flash based iPod... or rather MP3 player... granted all they've said is Apple is buying flash mem which could mean a camera or something also. So the question is, if there were an iPod that was smaller and lower capacity than the mini... would it be iPod tiny? Or perhaps they'd go with the angle of it's entirely skip proof and designed for jogging and what not, so they'd call it iPod sport? I've always wondered why Apple seems to be the only music player makers who doesn't have a SPORT model.

ManOfSteal · Oct 1, 2004, 10:56 PM

mini iPod.�

TheBadgerHunter · Oct 1, 2004, 11:10 PM

My guess is the flash one would be the iPod mini. After all the current iPod mini is just an expensive iPod with a ridiculously small HD and a heftier price tag.

Stogieman · Oct 1, 2004, 11:10 PM

microPod�

storer · Oct 1, 2004, 11:24 PM

A camera would be nice - I'm thinking about buying one at the mo.

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:28 AM

nice new sig storer. yeah i read this too ... i wonder ... if it's a flash drive .. i dont see how you can do the ipod interface ... i dont think they will do well with camera's .. it's all about reputation and lens right? apple has great rep for interface and style .. but they have no experience with optics ..?!?

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Stogieman:
microPod�

i think ipod micro would sound better .. but that's just me. it's always ipod ____ so far... so what the heck

storer · 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
nice new sig storer. yeah i read this too ... i wonder ... if it's a flash drive .. i dont see how you can do the ipod interface ... i dont think they will do well with camera's .. it's all about reputation and lens right? apple has great rep for interface and style .. but they have no experience with optics ..?!?

thanks... I have had this one before. i am changing them every week. i will come up with a special 1000 post one soon.

on topic, the iPod didn't have a reputation initially. They might bring out a camera for normal people, not photographers. Like for families and stuff, who are the main consumers. i only want 4-5 MP, nothing super for our family camera.

EDIT: i was just thinking then. a camera would mean software. it would mean we would have to see iPhoto for windows (if it was to be compatible) but i think we will see an mp3 player.

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by storer:
thanks... I have had this one before. i am changing them every week. i will come up with a special 1000 post one soon.

on topic, the iPod didn't have a reputation initially. They might bring out a camera for normal people, not photographers. Like for families and stuff, who are the main consumers. i only want 4-5 MP, nothing super for our family camera.

EDIT: i was just thinking then. a camera would mean software. it would mean we would have to see iPhoto for windows (if it was to be compatible) but i think we will see an mp3 player.

still i highly doubt camera. there are plenty of canon, nikon, pentax, sony, minolta, olympus, casio ... consumer digicams 3.2-5mp ... competative price, good optix, solid reputation. apple cant crack it .. as far as i can tell .. =(

demograph68 · Oct 2, 2004, 04:08 AM

iSosmallilostit

storer · Oct 2, 2004, 04:16 AM

the uneducated consumer doesn't care that much about lens type. i would have no idea. but i too, doubt a camera.

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by storer:
the uneducated consumer doesn't care that much about lens type. i would have no idea. but i too, doubt a camera.

yeah i know. i sorta doubt a ipod flash ... how would they do a scroll wheel on a flash ... well ... i cant even ... iono .. i cant picture it ... i can see them making a flash ipod .. but i dont know how they'd do it ... if u get what i mean

Gankdawg · Oct 2, 2004, 05:24 AM

Pretty soon it will be so small, it will be invisible.

storer · Oct 2, 2004, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Gankdawg:
Pretty soon it will be so small, it will be invisible.

That would be the perfect way to rip someone off;

"here is your new iPod." "oh, they're small. i can't even feel it. thanks."

Great, rip them off apple

A flash iPod doesn't make sense because flash based Mp3 players are going out. If they make one it will have 2 b cheap. Like $150 or less AU.
I'm just wondering when Apple is going to start a new branch, like it did with iPod.

turtle777 · Oct 2, 2004, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by storer:
A camera would be nice - I'm thinking about buying one at the mo.

Apple, please leave that camera crap out.
Cameras already invaded cell phones, please spare us on the iPod.

-t

storer · Oct 2, 2004, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Apple, please leave that camera crap out.
Cameras already invaded cell phones, please spare us on the iPod.
-t

I mean a whole breakout line. But anywho, the company supplying the flash said it themselves; its being used for a flash based music player. i don't know whether or not to believe though, because apple legal would kick their asses if it was true. as if they would let a release clue get out that easy.

Gussy · Oct 2, 2004, 08:57 AM

my bets on the ipod sport
mini ipods are too expensive for what you get bet they wont take the hard drive outta that

iPod Sport it is

you can get like 8gb compact flash cards nowa-days so who knows the size it will be

turtle777 · Oct 2, 2004, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Gussy:
you can get like 8gb compact flash cards nowa-days so who knows the size it will be

Affordable 8 GB compact flash ?

Keep dreaming !

-t

SafariX · Oct 2, 2004, 10:32 AM

Actually, former CFO Fred Anderson is building his new guest house out of 860,000 flash drives. Sorry to ruin the surprise.

Superchicken · Oct 2, 2004, 10:41 AM

Crap, darn you Fred!

Yah, I HIGHLY doubt Apple would go with a Camera, just stating it. I do not think there will be an iShot any time soon, the iPod was a reaction against the lack of decent MP3 players on the market, and their even worse support for the Mac. So Apple blew everyone out of the water. Canon, Fujifilm, HP, Pentax, Kodak, Minolta, essentially all the traditional camera makers are still doing a good job with the digital camera. Unless Apple started selling HP cameras by Apple I wouldn't understand it. And from what I understand HP ones use Pentax parts (though I heard that from an untrusty nerd do don't hold me to it.)

That said if Apple came out with an aluminum 4 megapixel camera that matched my PB... I would buy

MacGorilla · Oct 2, 2004, 11:38 AM

I was thinking it would be used in the next generation apple mouse, you know the one with two buttons. When a song plays, it vibrates to the beat and when you hold the mouse up to your ear, you'll hear the song.

Gussy · Oct 2, 2004, 11:59 AM

Affordable 8 GB compact flash ?

Keep dreaming !

-t

never said they would use it, just the fact that size will not be an issue

Landos Mustache · Oct 2, 2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
My guess is the flash one would be the iPod mini. After all the current iPod mini is just an expensive iPod with a ridiculously small HD and a heftier price tag.

And selling like friggin' hotcakes.

MaxPower2k3 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:15 PM

my nothing-else-to-do-and-bad-at-photoshop prototype

edit:

SuperChicken: I do not think there will be an iShot any time soon,

iShot the sheriff, but i did not shoot the deputy...

Landos Mustache · Oct 2, 2004, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by MaxPower2k3:
my nothing-else-to-do-and-bad-at-photoshop prototype

I can't see Apple dropping the wheel otherwise it will look like any other MP3 player. Not to mention they will have to tweak the interface.

MaxPower2k3 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I can't see Apple dropping the wheel otherwise it will look like any other MP3 player. Not to mention they will have to tweak the interface.

i dunno where they could put a wheel and make it much smaller than the mini, since the wheel basically doubles the height of it. unless they put it on the back, but that'd be kinda weird.

Superchicken · Oct 2, 2004, 12:46 PM

I could see wheel behind the screen. That said I don't think the iPod sport would be smaller than the mini, if anything it'd be bigger than the iPod. Remember people who buy SPORT products are looking for something that looks durable and ugly. Apple would have to put coloured plastic bumpers on it.

MacMan4000 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by MaxPower2k3:
i dunno where they could put a wheel and make it much smaller than the mini, since the wheel basically doubles the height of it. unless they put it on the back, but that'd be kinda weird.

It wouldn't be that weird... I came up with this design a while ago for the ipodlounge.com ipod of the future contest (i don't think thats the right name... but it was something like that).

About the iCamera... I doubt this would happen, but all you guys need to quit mentioning the crappy brands as having "good reputation".

The good ones are: Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Fuji, Olympus, and *maybe* Sony, Casio and Kodak.

Kodak's pro digital models are great, but the consumer models are just OK. Minolta used to be great until they started shipping everything to 5 different countries to make it. Nowadays they suck. All there stuff is so poorly made people would buy a camera and be back the same day to get it replaced because it was broken/malfunctioning already.

HP and Panasonic are both crap. terrible terrible crap.

Landos Mustache · Oct 2, 2004, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by MacMan4000:
It wouldn't be that weird... I came up with this design a while ago for the ipodlounge.com ipod of the future contest (i don't think thats the right name... but it was something like that).

That is the worst idea ever in the history of ideas.

Superchicken · Oct 2, 2004, 12:55 PM

You guys forget the wheel is what makes the iPod. It's not just the storage.

The wheel will not die. It might shrink a BIT, but not a whole lot.

That said I would not be surprised at all if they shrunk the screen a bit, put it and a wheel on a bluetooth controler and stuck the HD in a set of larger ear eating headphones.

MacMan4000 · Oct 2, 2004, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
That is the worst idea ever in the history of ideas.

Landos Mustache · Oct 2, 2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by MacMan4000:

Sorry man but nobody is going to flip over to scroll and not be able to see the screen. It is also hard as hell to scroll on the back and still view the front.

Superchicken · Oct 2, 2004, 01:28 PM

That said, I was just trying to scroll around back, hypothetically with my thumb, and a half scroll wheel on the side of the device might not be such a bad idea. Think about it. Yes it's not as great as the full scroll wheel but if it wasn't THE iPod but rather just one of them it might be a nifty idea. That said I'm not sure how you'd FF hahaha. And it's not very lefty friendly.

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Crap, darn you Fred!

Yah, I HIGHLY doubt Apple would go with a Camera, just stating it. I do not think there will be an iShot any time soon, the iPod was a reaction against the lack of decent MP3 players on the market, and their even worse support for the Mac. So Apple blew everyone out of the water. Canon, Fujifilm, HP, Pentax, Kodak, Minolta, essentially all the traditional camera makers are still doing a good job with the digital camera. Unless Apple started selling HP cameras by Apple I wouldn't understand it. And from what I understand HP ones use Pentax parts (though I heard that from an untrusty nerd do don't hold me to it.)

That said if Apple came out with an aluminum 4 megapixel camera that matched my PB... I would buy

Check out Canon. less than 1 inch thick, aluminum ... i'm sure you'll find their new sd line pairs up well (sd200 lined up for me!)

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by MaxPower2k3:
my nothing-else-to-do-and-bad-at-photoshop prototype

edit:

iShot the sheriff, but i did not shoot the deputy...

wierd strip ...

Lancer409 · Oct 2, 2004, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
That is the worst idea ever in the history of ideas.

dude, i think your idea rocks *hands you a kleenex* ... size means a lot to me, and it isnt very hard to scroll with your finger .... dude .. it's a circle .. how could you scroll wrong?!?!? ... the select button is on the front, and so is the display .. it's kinda like .... well... grab your ipod, and try rubbing circles on the back. or turn your 3g ipod around and play with the wheel while looking at the chrome side. the raised plexi clear material guides the hand. what's so hard?!? ... and it's friggin small .. i'd buy one ...

storer · Oct 2, 2004, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by SafariX:
Actually, former CFO Fred Anderson is building his new guest house out of 860,000 flash drives. Sorry to ruin the surprise.

yes, I mean, as you do. these days its all the rage to do so.

its nice, its different, its unewesual.

mike one · Oct 2, 2004, 04:36 PM

what about an apple cell-phone/pda?

i think the first rev would be a POS. but it'd be better than that treo 270 i had for 1.5 years. my God!

oh, i don't really want one.
but, what the hell. i'll throw it out there.
this was the first thing that came to mind... phone you can interface with address-book/ical/mail(blah!), well crap, what about iphoto/keynote too!
and if it played mp3s well duh itunes.

or maybe it'll be an ipod/pda or cell-pod or camera/pda/pod/cell.

the possibilities, well they are finite.

Parky · Oct 2, 2004, 05:44 PM

Would you really need a Click Wheel with only a small number of tracks?

Maybe they have come up with another great 'user interface' (tactile and visual) that works well with 50-100 tracks.

They could put the display on the headphone cord / remote, and just have a click wheel on the unit that would make it easily less than the mini size.

I think a 512Mb flash player at the right price and great style would sell will.
The iPod brand is so huge now that Apple can start to move into the cheaper areas.

If they can get an iPod micro out for $100 - $120 then they will sell.

Ian

storer · Oct 2, 2004, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by mike one:
what about an apple cell-phone/pda?
i think the first rev would be a POS. but it'd be better than that treo 270 i had for 1.5 years. my God!
oh, i don't really want one.
but, what the hell. i'll throw it out there.
this was the first thing that came to mind... phone you can interface with address-book/ical/mail(blah!), well crap, what about iphoto/keynote too!
and if it played mp3s well duh itunes.
or maybe it'll be an ipod/pda or cell-pod or camera/pda/pod/cell.
the possibilities, well they are finite.

I'd buy it. Maybe an Apple/Motorola deal?

macaddict0001 · Oct 3, 2004, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by MaxPower2k3:
i dunno where they could put a wheel and make it much smaller than the mini, since the wheel basically doubles the height of it. unless they put it on the back, but that'd be kinda weird.

A flip phone design would work and you wouldn't need a hold button.

CharlesS · Oct 3, 2004, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
i dont think they will do well with camera's .. it's all about reputation and lens right? apple has great rep for interface and style .. but they have no experience with optics ..?!?

storer · Oct 3, 2004, 02:57 AM

UGLY...

and BTW, apple has the iSight, so it does have SOME experience in optics...

Parky · Oct 3, 2004, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by CharlesS:

I had one of those, at the time it was admired by everyone.

It also worked quite well !

Ian

amsalpemkcus · Oct 3, 2004, 09:41 AM

its probably an addon for all those cell phones that can accomodate an SD card? card comes loaded with itunes and music? should be useful come to think of it. just being imaginative..

MilkmanDan · Oct 3, 2004, 10:00 AM

Nah, its implanted in your ear, moves data via wireless, powered by your body heat, and controlled by your nose.

Bad news for people with allergies.

MaxPower2k3 · Oct 3, 2004, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
Bad news for people with allergies.

lol

MilkmanDan · Oct 3, 2004, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
And selling like friggin' hotcakes.

Depends on how fast hot cakes sell. I for one, never enjoyed hot cakes.

ort888 · Oct 3, 2004, 11:22 AM

It's probably going into the current iPod Mini shell. a 1 gig flash based iPod Mini that sells for $150 bucks or less would be a huge hit.

MaxPower2k3 · Oct 3, 2004, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by ort888:
It's probably going into the current iPod Mini shell. a 1 gig flash based iPod Mini that sells for $150 bucks or less would be a huge hit.

I never thought of that, but that's true. They could have two different versions of the Mini, just like there's two different versions of the regular one. One with lower capacity and longer battery life, and one with more storage but a shorter-lived battery. Maybe they could start using the new 5gb microdrives, too.