[Zimphire]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../10/06/STD.TMP

These e-cards appear funny, sexy and hip, but if you're lucky, you won't be seeing one in your inbox anytime soon.

They're the newest way for gay men diagnosed with a sexually transmitted disease to tell their sex partners about their condition.

HOW HIP! AND FUN!

Heh.

[CD Hanks]

chrishanks@mac.com kthxbye

edit: not gay

[d4nth3m4n]

oooh, a gay fight tonight! i was wondering what it was going to be...

[the_glassman]

muhahaha. I've been waiting for apple to add this feature to their iCards for a very long time. I just sent out a bunch to friends.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by the_glassman:
muhahaha. I've been waiting for apple to add this feature to their iCards for a very long time. I just sent out a bunch to friends.

I'd get that problem taken care of first.

[macaddict0001]

A post like this fits you zimphire...

[spatterson]

At first I was opposed to this idea... then after giving it some consideration I felt that if a site like that can help reduce the risk of STD's then its a very positive thing.

[dcolton]

you have got to be kidding me! so std's are so rampant among gay men that they have to create their own STD notification service because they are indiscriminately hooking up with internet sex dates and spreading their disease throughout the gay and normal communities?

Gays want the right to marry?

[Parky]

Originally posted by dcolton:
you have got to be kidding me! so std's are so rampant among gay men that they have to create their own STD notification service because they are indiscriminately hooking up with internet sex dates and spreading their disease throughout the gay and normal communities?

Gays want the right to marry?

And what makes you NORMAL?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Parky:
And what makes you NORMAL?

Where would I begin?

I guess the fact that I don't lurk around the internet looking for indiscriminate, unsafe sex with perverted indviduals.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
std's are so rampant among gay men
Gays want the right to marry?

Yes they do want to marry. Lets not forget that over the past 10 years that heterosexual std rates are very close to homosexual rates. What happens when two male adults have been in a loving relationship for 20 years. One of them gets sick and the other can't visit him in the hospital, because their relationship isn't acknowledged under the law. These are the rights that we are talking about... Not to mention sir that you have formed a very ignorant position.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Where would I begin?

I guess the fact that I don't lurk around the internet looking for indiscriminate, unsafe sex with perverted indviduals.

Again you are forming accusations. Is it your belied that the whole homosexual community participates in online sex? Its my belief that when you use the word perverted it just enforces the fact that you have some bias towards the homosexual population.

[dcolton]

"It's not what you brought to the party, it's what you left with," "You're too hot to be out of action" and "I got screwed while screwing; you might have, too."

The future of America and the institution of Marriage, if we continue to buy into the Gay Agenda.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
Again you are forming accusations. Is it your belied that the whole homosexual community participates in online sex?

psst...the best way to handle this is to just let it go and don't feed fuel to the fire!

[G4ME]

Originally posted by dcolton:
and spreading their disease

nice wording

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
psst...the best way to handle this is to just let it go and don't feed fuel to the fire!

Sir please keep you very ignorant responses to yourself... institution of Marriage you say... You are just a hate monger. Get off your pedestal! Who do you think you are? Fuel the fire you say...

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
Sir please keep you very ignorant responses to yourself... institution of Marriage you say... You are just a hate monger. Get off your pedestal! Who do you think you are? Fuel the fire you say...

Okay, I am against a gay agenda that finds crap like this to be acceptable. I am against the gay agenda that is pulling the wool over the eyes of America in an effort to create an amoral society. I am against a small percentage of the population spreading disease because of their sexual perversions and amoral behavior. I am against the gay agenda infecting our children and creating a downward spiral of indiscriminate sex where the outcome is increasingly deadly STD's with the notification being a 'hip' email with witty language. Who do I think I am?

Sir, the question is, who do you think you are?

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Okay, I am against a gay agenda that finds crap like this to be acceptable. I am against the gay agenda that is pulling the wool over the eyes of America in an effort to create an amoral society. I am against a small percentage of the population spreading disease because of their sexual perversions and amoral behavior. I am against the gay agenda infecting our children and creating a downward spiral of indiscriminate sex where the outcome is increasingly deadly STD's with the notification being a 'hip' email with witty language. Who do I think I am?

Sir, the question is, who do you think you are?

Again you sit on your pedestal and preach. You point your fingers at the homosexual community like they are a virus that needs to get eradicated. You think that there is some gay agenda going on because of your own insecurities. What did the rights movement mean in the 60's to you? Again there is a human rights movement. You mention indiscriminate sex. Sir take a look at the heterosexual population. Girls becoming pregnant at 13. I may not agree that the email that we speak about is "hip", however if it can prevent std's then I am for it "hip" or not.

Sir I AM a homosexual male, who you greatly offended.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
Sir I AM a homosexual male, who you greatly offended.

thus the reason I told you to drop it. You are arguing with someone who gets banned from the poli-lounge everytime someone has the audacity to promote the gay agenda.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
You are arguing with someone who gets banned from the poli-lounge everytime someone has the audacity to promote the gay agenda.

I would suggest doing some self reflection and take a look at whats inside, instead of taking it out on others and asking them to drop it.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
I would suggest doing some self reflection and take a look at whats inside, instead of taking it out on others and asking them to drop it.

Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Self Reflecting..........
Done!

The Gay Agenda is ruining America.

[Ghoser777]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Where would I begin?

I guess the fact that I don't lurk around the internet looking for indiscriminate, unsafe sex with perverted indviduals.

And there aren't parts of the heterosexual community that do the same? None of the things you listed there has anything to do with homosexuality.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Ghoser777:
And there aren't parts of the heterosexual community that do the same? None of the things you listed there has anything to do with homosexuality.

lol See what I mean about the Gay Agenda pulling the wool over American's

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
lol See what I mean about the Gay Agenda pulling the wool over American's

You make yourself look very ignorant, his point was simple... Yet you make a pun at it.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
You make yourself look very ignorant, his point was simple... Yet you make a pun at it.

My point is very simple as well.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
My point is very simple as well.

Refer to my previous post.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by macaddict0001:
A post like this fits you zimphire...

True

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Okay, I am against a gay agenda that finds crap like this to be acceptable. I am against the gay agenda that is pulling the wool over the eyes of America in an effort to create an amoral society. I am against a small percentage of the population spreading disease because of their sexual perversions and amoral behavior. I am against the gay agenda infecting our children and creating a downward spiral of indiscriminate sex where the outcome is increasingly deadly STD's with the notification being a 'hip' email with witty language. Who do I think I am?

Sir, the question is, who do you think you are?

What "crap"? Gays are not the only ones spreading disease and they never were. I'd also keep in mind that many gays do not have multiple partners, and that heterosexual couples often DO. Maybe from living in a city where prostitution is quite visible I can see this but I'll say it right now: the sex market is where many STDs come from.

I saw you mentioned the "Institution of Marriage". Now tell me what makes it so grand that it needs to be defended? Is this the same institution that nearly HALF of all heterosexual couples leave every year? Sorry, but you're defending something that died a long time ago.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
What "crap"? Gays are not the only ones spreading disease and they never were. I'd also keep in mind that many gays do not have multiple partners, and that heterosexual couples often DO. Maybe from living in a city where prostitution is quite visible I can see this but I'll say it right now: the sex market is where many STDs come from.

I know, I know. Gays are the perfect example of morality in America. They are such great people, they define themselves by attacking heterosexuality and applying skewed numbers that ignore proportions. If gays comprise of only 2% of the population, wouldn't you think hetero issues would outnumber of that of the gay issues?

I saw you mentioned the "Institution of Marriage". Now tell me what makes it so grand that it needs to be defended? Is this the same institution that nearly HALF of all heterosexual couples leave every year? Sorry, but you're defending something that died a long time ago.

If the institution of Marriage is such a failure, why do gays want to be part of it?

[demograph68]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Where would I begin?

I guess the fact that I don't lurk around the internet looking for indiscriminate, unsafe sex with perverted indviduals.

As we all know by now, that's a fact with ALL homosexuals... lurking the net like... wait... heterosexual pedophiles...

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by dcolton:
If gays comprise of only 2% of the population, wouldn't you think hetero issues would outnumber of that of the gay issues?

because "gay" issues are largely issues of equality. equality to the rights and acceptances hetero people enjoy. What the hell would hetero's fight for?

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
I know, I know. Gays are the perfect example of morality in America. They are such great people, they define themselves by attacking heterosexuality and applying skewed numbers that ignore proportions. If gays comprise of only 2% of the population, wouldn't you think hetero issues would outnumber of that of the gay issues?

Of MORALITY? You really think that of all the immoral things in american, done by america, and condoned by america and suddenly a minority group wanting the right to marry is some great atrocity?

I really don't see what numbers have to do with anything. 2% of the population is still a very significant number.

If the institution of Marriage is such a failure, why do gays want to be part of it?

Its simple: the right to adopt, various financial benefits, and certain rights as a couple.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
If gays comprise of only 2% of the population, wouldn't you think hetero issues would outnumber of that of the gay issues?If the institution of Marriage is such a failure, why do gays want to be part of it?

One: Regarding your comment about 2% - Most reliable estimates of the current gay and lesbian population in America range from 10 to 20 percent of the American population (Bell & Weinberg, 1978; Darty & Potter, 1984)

Two: Regarding HIV and Aids - Sexual orientation has nothing to do with being infected with the AIDS virus. While the male homosexual population did contract the AIDS virus at a disproportionately high rate during the early 1980s, increasing education and "safe sex" practices have largely led to a leveling of the rate of infection of gay men. AIDS is increasing far more rapidly in the heterosexual population of the United States. In fact, worldwide the spread of AIDS is predominately through heterosexual sex and medical procedures (Batchelor, 1988)

Three Regarding your comment on institution of Marriage - We have seen that right wing conservatives have been trying to ban gay marriage because they believe that "Marriage" is for man and woman only. It is wrong to discriminate against 10% of our population saying that their commitment together means nothing, and that they have no legal rights. I do support the right of every American to marry, including gay, lesbian, bisexual couples. Anyone that shares that special bond had that right. Our nation was built on freedom and for someone like you to say that 10% of our citizens do not deserve the right to marry is absurd.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Its simple: the right to adopt, various financial benefits, and certain rights as a couple.

EXACTLY MY POINT. Where is love? You mention all of these special rights that the Gays are demanding because they made a choice to live a suspect lifestyle...but as usual, love never falls in the equation.

because "gay" issues are largely issues of equality. equality to the rights and acceptances hetero people enjoy. What the hell would hetero's fight for?

equality? since when does a bad choice afford special rights?

As we all know by now, that's a fact with ALL homosexuals... lurking the net like... wait... heterosexual pedophiles...

Gays have a group for this. It is called NAMBLA, an organization of perverted gay men who believe molesting little boys is a 'civil right'.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
One: Regarding your comment about 2% - Most reliable estimates of the current gay and lesbian population in America range from 10 to 20 percent of the American population (Bell & Weinberg, 1978; Darty & Potter, 1984)

See, the gay agenda at work. The numbers are debatable, but this just goes to show that allowing gays to marry will only result in more bad choices.

Two: Regarding HIV and Aids - Sexual orientation has nothing to do with being infected with the AIDS virus. While the male homosexual population did contract the AIDS virus at a disproportionately high rate during the early 1980s, increasing education and "safe sex" practices have largely led to a leveling of the rate of infection of gay men. AIDS is increasing far more rapidly in the heterosexual population of the United States. In fact, worldwide the spread of AIDS is predominately through heterosexual sex and medical procedures (Batchelor, 1988)

Who mentioned AIDS?

Three Regarding your comment on institution of Marriage - We have seen that right wing conservatives have been trying to ban gay marriage because they believe that "Marriage" is for man and woman only. It is wrong to discriminate against 10% of our population saying that their commitment together means nothing, and that they have no legal rights. I do support the right of every American to marry, including gay, lesbian, bisexual couples. Anyone that shares that special bond had that right. Our nation was built on freedom and for someone like you to say that 10% of our citizens do not deserve the right to marry is absurd.

Your 10% number is skewed. At any rate, choice does not afford someone special rights.

[demograph68]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Gays have a group for this. It is called NAMBLA, an organization of perverted gay men who believe molesting little boys is a 'civil right'.

Don't confuse homosexuals of a sexual mature age engaging with another with due consent as perverted like someone taking advantage of a young prepubescent child. I have gay friends who would obviously disagree with an organization like this "NAMBLA". To blur the two is simply absurd.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
EXACTLY MY POINT. Where is love? You mention all of these special rights that the Gays are demanding because they made a choice to live a suspect lifestyle...but as usual, love never falls in the equation.

So you're saying only heterosexual couples feel love?

equality? since when does a bad choice afford special rights?

The same rights, not special. Its not for us to judge people's choices.

Gays have a group for this. It is called NAMBLA, an organization of perverted gay men who believe molesting little boys is a 'civil right'.

Back up your claims. There's a difference between gays and pedophiles, and gar pedophiles.

So far you haven't really a leg to stand on. You say its wrong and shouldn't be allowed but you don't show any moral reason why. You make silly claims as to how their lifestyle is degrading society but you don't say how allowing marriage will do any harm. Furthermore you don't state the WHY of your views.

I'm not gay. I don't particularly like gays. I've spoken out against gays in specific conditions. Yet I tolerate them. I acknowledge their choice. I see no problem with changing the man-made definition of marriage to suit the desires of a particular group.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Don't confuse homosexuals of a sexual mature age engaging with another with due consent as perverted like someone taking advantage of a young prepubescent child. I have gay friends who would obviously disagree with an organization like this "NAMBLA". To blur the two is simply absurd.

The target isn't necessarily prebubescent children. They want the 14 - 17 year old boys that they can manipulate.

[Sock Puppet Theater]

You guys are arguing with someone that doesn't believe gays are capable of love. Don't play his game.

The alerts seem to be a way to get people to talk about their STDs. A difficult subject to bring up. Most heteros don't like to talk about it, nor do they get tested before every new partner. Not very smart, if you ask me. But hey, the fundamentalists will say that you shouldn't need even that, since you'll wait for marriage, and that marriage will last forever and ever.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
See, the gay agenda at work. The numbers are debatable, but this just goes to show that allowing gays to marry will only result in more bad choices.

When did it become a bad choice? I believe that the equal rights of the great country you live in preclude the option of picking which groups are right an which are wrong.

Your 10% number is skewed. At any rate, choice does not afford someone special rights.

No but it does afford equal rights.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
The target isn't necessarily prebubescent children. They want the 14 - 17 year old boys that they can manipulate.

"They". Nice labeling there, makes it easy to argue when you remove the human element doesn't it? I'm not saying there aren't weirdos out there. I'm saying that there are just as many heterosexuals luring and raping your girls. Normal gays aren't after young boys.

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
since when does a bad choice afford special rights?

Bad Choice? Bad Choice? And you wonder why you get banned from the poli-lounge. It is my opinion that you are especially insecure. Furthermore I find your opinions without fact and tasteless. You have made several statements that I have found untrue and have confronted you about… but you continue to fight. I believe that your are ignorant and boorish.

Originally posted by dcolton:
It is called NAMBLA, an organization of perverted gay men who believe molesting little boys is a 'civil right'.

Fact: Most child molesters are married male heterosexuals who victimize young girls (Masters, Johnson, & Kolodny, 1985).

[spatterson]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Your 10% number is skewed. At any rate, choice does not afford someone special rights.

Prove it!

[killer_735]

Originally posted by dcolton:
The target isn't necessarily prebubescent children. They want the 14 - 17 year old boys that they can manipulate.

Don't feel bad, they want you too.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Sock Puppet Theater:
The alerts seem to be a way to get people to talk about their STDs. A difficult subject to bring up. Most heteros don't like to talk about it, nor do they get tested before every new partner. Not very smart, if you ask me. But hey, the fundamentalists will say that you shouldn't need even that, since you'll wait for marriage, and that marriage will last forever and ever.

Because of gay promiscuity, an alert that cheapens the severity of a STD. Why can't you see how that is negative and sends the wrong message to not only the gay community, but to our children. Hey, you've got syphilus, but it's okay because "your too hot to be out of action".

[dcolton]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
"They". Nice labeling there, makes it easy to argue when you remove the human element doesn't it? I'm not saying there aren't weirdos out there. I'm saying that there are just as many heterosexuals luring and raping your girls. Normal gays aren't after young boys.

Once again, let's look at it proportionatly.

[demograph68]

Originally posted by dcolton:
The target isn't necessarily prebubescent children. They want the 14 - 17 year old boys that they can manipulate.

They would be considered by law as minors though, right?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by spatterson:
Bad Choice? Bad Choice? And you wonder why you get banned from the poli-lounge. It is my opinion that you are especially insecure. Furthermore I find your opinions without fact and tasteless. You have made several statements that I have found untrue and have confronted you about… but you continue to fight. I believe that your are ignorant and boorish.

What untrue statements? Your 10 % fallacy?

In footnote 42 on page 16 of this legal brief, 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following: "The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian."

Fact: Most child molesters are married male heterosexuals who victimize young girls (Masters, Johnson, & Kolodny, 1985).

http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php

[dcolton]

Originally posted by demograph68:
They would be considered by law as minors though, right?

I would direct badgerhunter to this link as well in reply to his last post
http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/nine.php

[dcolton]

I was also thinking that this thread should be locked!