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willed · Oct 12, 2004, 07:00 AM

http://www.macfeber.se/2004/10/vi_vill_ha_snab.html

A good idea I think. Flash on OSX is lamentably slow, maybe this could make Macromedia think if enough people get in touch.

mitchell_pgh · Oct 12, 2004, 08:36 AM

I'm down with faster flash, but I would consider simply posting a phone number and asking people to call and complain.

Having a petition on the net is near useless.

ambush · Oct 12, 2004, 09:06 AM

Here's my message

Hi,

I would like Flash Player on Mac OS X to be faster. Even with my brand new 1.33 GHz G4 laptop I'm having low FPS issues. And it's not because I'm using too much of CPU with other apps at the same time. Very old and slow Windows PCs have no problems handling the most complex animations whereas my PB will choke on most of them.

Thank you for hearing my request!

-- my real name

MilkmanDan · Oct 12, 2004, 09:11 AM

Whats flash?

ambush · Oct 12, 2004, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by MilkmanDan:
Whats flash?

It's nothing... it's nothing.. now get out of here.

MilkmanDan · Oct 12, 2004, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by ambush:
It's nothing... it's nothing.. now get out of here.

My poor pride has been wounded. To the open window with my body! 10 Stories down I fall. Onto the streets of Japan, where I will be remembered as the great belly flopping foreigner.

Webscreamer · Oct 12, 2004, 09:37 AM

well, i've really never noticed a problem but I trust that their is.

The Flash Apple ships with Safari, is it the latest version?

mdc · Oct 12, 2004, 12:02 PM

you can look in help > installed plugins for the version you have of flash, and then go to macromedia.com and see what the latest version they have is.

i have found that flash is okay when the window is active. as soon as the browser window is not active then it almost stops. this does not bother me, since if the window is not active i am usually not looking at it.

could you provide a link to some flash that is too slow?

and like mitchell_pgh said, online petitions are useless.

DeathMan · Oct 12, 2004, 12:24 PM

As far as I saw, there wasn't an actual onlnine petition, more just a call for people to send feedback to macromedia. Which I did. I hate the performance of flash on the mac. It used to *mac*romedia but slowly have gone towards windows more and more. The app itself if slow and crashy, as well as the plugin. Its sad.

All of macromedias apps have gone this way, and they're starting to suck on the pc as well. I don't know who is in charge of qa over at MM, but they need to wake up.

Slow Flash

ManOfSteal · Oct 12, 2004, 01:33 PM

I heard petitions work really well in not working.

CD Hanks · Oct 12, 2004, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by manofsteal:
I heard petitions work really well in not working.

It's true. I don't think online petitions have EVER solved anything, ever. It's simply a way of circlejerking a large group of people into thinking that just submitting your name and email address will actually solve something.

I hate to be the bringer of terrible truth, but mac users should be glad you have flash at all. It's progressively gotten better, but come on now.

Landos Mustache · Oct 12, 2004, 01:51 PM

I want to sign a petition that says that all flash websites should be banned from the internet.

macintologist · Oct 12, 2004, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I want to sign a petition that says that all flash websites should be banned from the internet.

amen to that

CD Hanks · Oct 12, 2004, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
I want to sign a petition that says that all flash websites should be banned from the internet.

Flash websites? Sure, **** em.

Flash animations? Ban that and I'll friggin punch you in the face.

Landos Mustache · Oct 12, 2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Flash animations? Ban that and I'll friggin punch you in the face.

Will your mom let you drive all the way up to Canada just to get yourself charges with assault?

CD Hanks · Oct 12, 2004, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
Will your mom let you drive all the way up to Canada just to get yourself charges with assault?

My mom (heh, god bless her) really couldn't give two shits about me now that I'm an "adult".

(plz dont ban flash animations. THINK OF SHMORKY)

Peter · Oct 12, 2004, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by manofsteal:
I heard petitions work really well in not working.

Jaey · Oct 12, 2004, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Flash websites? Sure, **** em.

Flash animations? Ban that and I'll friggin punch you in the face.

www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

CD Hanks · Oct 12, 2004, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by Jaey:
www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

That one doesn't count.

(Why? BECAUSE IT'S ****ING STUPID!)

the_glassman · Oct 12, 2004, 02:32 PM

Where's the petition for faster Java?

CD Hanks · Oct 12, 2004, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
faster Java

Oxymoron of the day.

Superchicken · Oct 12, 2004, 03:15 PM

there should be a petition to ban petitions online

That said some flash sites are good, a lot of band sites make use of flash very well, check out hawknelson.com or becrecordsings.com

There is some tasteful flash dev... though not that much.

mdc · Oct 12, 2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
there should be a petition to ban petitions online

i saw one on that online petitions site a few years ago. i laughed so much.
edit. found it

and that 2advanced site. how fast is it supposed to be? it's really fast on my powerbook. seriously, i can't imagine it any faster/smoother.

ambush · Oct 12, 2004, 03:54 PM

java's meant to be slow

GoGoReggieXPowars · Oct 12, 2004, 04:00 PM

No "Princess Bride!" flash makes Internet sad.

the_glassman · Oct 12, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
java's meant to be slow

Maybe on a Mac.

ambush · Oct 12, 2004, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Maybe on a Mac.

no generally. it's technically slow because of its memory management.

macaddict0001 · Oct 12, 2004, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by mdc:
you can look in help > installed plugins for the version you have of flash, and then go to macromedia.com and see what the latest version they have is.

i have found that flash is okay when the window is active. as soon as the browser window is not active then it almost stops. this does not bother me, since if the window is not active i am usually not looking at it.

could you provide a link to some flash that is too slow?

and like mitchell_pgh said, online petitions are useless.

see that's just the problem most user's don't update it safari comes with flash 4 we're up to seven now. if only there was some way to customize stuff available through software update.

SamuraiDL · Oct 12, 2004, 04:54 PM

I second that

the_glassman · Oct 12, 2004, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
no generally. it's technically slow because of its memory management.

Well it may slow it down, you'll find Java even run through JVM is much faster on Winbloze then it is on Mac. The same with flash.

funkboy · Oct 12, 2004, 07:35 PM

We need it. What's with the slow slow Flash?

olePigeon · Oct 12, 2004, 08:00 PM

I say f*ck it. Let Adobe extend SVG into animation with true AltiVec support.

11011001 · Oct 12, 2004, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
no generally. it's technically slow because of its memory management.

Java isn't as bad as it used to be.

In some cases it performs better than C++. People diss it so bad because of it's early past when it really was slow, but just in time compilation has come a long way since the inception of Java way back when.

It's my opinion that it is actually quite a good language, especially the memory management. It's something that the developer has to deal with anyways, and it really does help save on memory leaks and other such things, it helps give us better software. The abstraction taken with Java is something that usually has to be implemented anyways for extremely large projects, so in the end, the tradeoff seems rather minimal.

I agree though, Java sucks for things like games and such, especially on Macs. The hardware acceleration is still rather lacking, and no native access to OpenGL is kind of painful. Having to include libraries to enable it per platform is bad bad bad.

Where am I going with this? I don't know.. I guess it's a rant. Java has it's applications, as does C++, and Java is certainly not as slow as it used to be. There. ya.