[Thilo Ettelt]

Hello,

I am suggesting to replace the post count feature by a word count. That might be stopping all the "+1" posts and people might be forced to delivery quality of posts instead of quantity of posts. I also recommend that when such a feature is implemented be sure to trim the posts (remove spaces)


What do you think?


- Thilo

[Spheric Harlot]

Brilliant.

100% for "Word Count"

Whoo-hoo! It's a Landslide™!

[Logic]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Brilliant.

100% for "Word Count"

Whoo-hoo! It's a Landslide™!

What he said!^^^^

[SteveJobs]

Have to say I find the idea of word count OR post count rather dumb.
Adding a word count to the already exisiting post count makes a lot of sense, in my opinion; but just erasing the latter? Not good, I think.
And wouldn't it be lovely to reveal that someone posts alot but doesn't write alot and therefore publicly showing him being a babbler? Sounds good to me.

Steve

[DeathToWindows]

I'd add it... might be cool to be able to see the ratio of words : posts...

[ambush]

Ask Chemical Ali.

[Zimphire]

Yeah.. word count would be better.

That is if people didn't PURPOSELY write books just to get a higher word count.

We don't need a forum full of verbal masturbation.

I mean no more than it already is.

[ManOfSteal]

Do smilies count as a word? Pictures? A picture can say 1,000 words!

Hmm...

[badidea]

Neither!!
I'd rather prefer to see a "+1" instead of incredibly large copy-paste dummy text!

[SteveJobs]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yeah.. word count would be better.

That is if people didn't PURPOSELY write books just to get a higher word count.

We don't need a forum full of verbal masturbation.

I mean no more than it already is.

We also don't need a forum of wannabe 10,000+ posters who post loads and loads of short, useless posts instead of fewer, long, informative ones.

Steve

[drive-thru]

Originally posted by badidea:
Neither!!
I'd rather prefer to see a "+1" instead of incredibly large copy-paste dummy text!

Exactly, would you prefer:

+1

...or...

+ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

...?

[TheBadgerHunter]

I'd prefer post count by word count. Only posts with a certain number of words would count as posts.

Oh, and this is in the wrong forum.

[CD Hanks]

The database would literally explode and probably kill a few people if this were somehow implemented.

Good idea as it is, it simply isn't gunna happen here.

[SteveJobs]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
The database would literally explode and probably kill a few people if this were somehow implemented.

Good idea as it is, it simply isn't gunna happen here.

BS. Counting the words and adding them to a variable is a non-issue for any db. Steve

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by SteveJobs:
BS. Counting the words and adding them to a variable is a non-issue for any db. Steve

OH WELL IN THAT CASE LETS JUST GO AHEAD AND TRY IT!

ADMINS, DO YOUR THANG!!! (and duck!)

[Peter]

It would be a neat idea, plus, we get to see who is the most talkative one of us all!

[Turias]

I'd prefer removing the post count entirely to changing it around to word count.

[Kenneth]

what if someone just copy an article from somewhere and paste it over here?

BTW.. I see some forums mention that the post has to be at least 35 words in order to hit submit.

[Randman]

Why word counts? A concise message is often more effective than a verbose one. And it would weigh more from those who just post in the political lounge as the nature of the beast.
Just take away the visual on the post count and leave the colors (green for regular posters, yellow for newbies and something like blue for mods).

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Turias:
I'd prefer removing the post count entirely to changing it around to word count.

This would be the ideal solution, but then you'd inevitably get people bitching about "OMG I WORKED SO HARD FOR MY POST COUNT WAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA"

[Person Man]

Originally posted by SteveJobs:
BS. Counting the words and adding them to a variable is a non-issue for any db. Steve

He's not talking about the word count function itself, he's talking about the EFFECTS of a word count function; namely, people stuffing their posts with nonsense text to artificially inflate their word count, which, if enough people do it, WILL overwhelm the storage capacity of the bulletin board database.

[Turias]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
This would be the ideal solution, but then you'd inevitably get people bitching about "OMG I WORKED SO HARD FOR MY POST COUNT WAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA"

So true. Really, the ranks and colored stars should be enough.

[badidea]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
This would be the ideal solution, but then you'd inevitably get people bitching about "OMG I WORKED SO HARD FOR MY POST COUNT WAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAA"

Then there should be an automatic response for those people:

"GROW UP AND GET A LIFE KID!!!"

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by badidea:
Then there should be an automatic response for those people:

"GROW UP AND GET A LIFE KID!!!"

Invariably, 90% of the lounge posts would consist soley of that phrase.

[GoGoReggieXPowars]

I think people should stop taking an internet forum so seriously.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
I am suggesting to replace the post count feature by a word count. That might be stopping all the "+1" posts and people might be forced to delivery quality of posts instead of quantity of posts.

Uhm, so how exactly would it force people to deliver quality ?

This is how future +1 posts will look like:

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So what do you think about my 250 words quality post ?

-t

[fireside]

Originally posted by Person Man:
WILL overwhelm the storage capacity of the bulletin board database.

then i'm all for it. whatever it takes to get rid of the topics from 4 years ago people decide to bring back to the top.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by GoGoReggieXPowars:
I think people should stop taking an internet forum so seriously.

but dood, the internet is serious business

[Demonhood]

once i upgrade the board i'll likely remove postcounts and replace them with more user status titles. more ranges, like: 1-20, 21-50, 51-100, 101-250, 251-400, 401-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-2000, etc..

[GoGoReggieXPowars]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
but dood, the internet is serious business

Snap U R so rite :[

[wdlove]

I think that it should be left as a "Post Count."

[xraydoc]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
once i upgrade the board i'll likely remove postcounts and replace them with more user status titles. more ranges, like: 1-20, 21-50, 51-100, 101-250, 251-400, 401-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-2000, etc..

That would be fair. Though you need a category like "so many we stopped counting."

[Xeo]

How about user moderation of posts then? If enough people, say 10 or 15, mark a post as "not worth a count," then that post does not increase the post count (and perhaps a message is put up saying such action was taken). This would make +1ers worthless since people would see such non-sense and mark it as their reading.

Of course, by default, all posts would increase the count, but then the marking system would only take away what was already given.

And maybe there is a counter-marking system for bringing back posts, so if enough people see a marked post as wrongly mark, they could de-mark it.

This system is open to abuse, but the post count system itself is already being abused. It would be tougher to abuse this system. Perhaps along with it, free e-mail accounts should no longer be allowed for signup. I don't know about you, but I've never gotten SPAM from MacNN.

Thinking about a different approach, we should just have a rating system for posts in which each user has a 2nd post count of "worthwhile" posts, and by user moderation, this would be increased. This count would hopefully never grow very large. But having a post count of rated posts by your peers would make for something worth "bragging" about, compared to the current post count system.

It's probably the case where very few lounge posts would be worth such a rating. But again, the system is open to abuse.

[vivamisha]

I personally find some people's ridiculously high post counts in a small period of time to be sad.

It'd be nice if there were some way to give some a "Loser" status for achieving say 1000 posts in a couple months. Not that anyone's a loser, I'm just saying...

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Xeo:
How about user moderation of posts then? If enough people, say 10 or 15, mark a post as "not worth a count," then that post does not increase the post count (and perhaps a message is put up saying such action was taken). This would make +1ers worthless since people would see such non-sense and mark it as their reading.

Of course, by default, all posts would increase the count, but then the marking system would only take away what was already given.

And maybe there is a counter-marking system for bringing back posts, so if enough people see a marked post as wrongly mark, they could de-mark it.

This system is open to abuse, but the post count system itself is already being abused. It would be tougher to abuse this system. Perhaps along with it, free e-mail accounts should no longer be allowed for signup. I don't know about you, but I've never gotten SPAM from MacNN.

Thinking about a different approach, we should just have a rating system for posts in which each user has a 2nd post count of "worthwhile" posts, and by user moderation, this would be increased. This count would hopefully never grow very large. But having a post count of rated posts by your peers would make for something worth "bragging" about, compared to the current post count system.

It's probably the case where very few lounge posts would be worth such a rating. But again, the system is open to abuse.

It'd be interesting to implement such a system here, if none other than to observe how people treat it. Unfortunately, it'd mimic Slashdot a bit too much for my tastes.

Originally posted by vivamisha:
I personally find some people's ridiculously high post counts in a small period of time to be sad.

It'd be nice if there were some way to give some a "Loser" status for achieving say 1000 posts in a couple months. Not that anyone's a loser, I'm just saying...

I'd back this. Unfortunately, it seems like those who crappost the most in a short span of time are sometimes celebrated or encouraged (even at times inadvertantly)...for some strange reason.

[DeathMan]

I think a plus one should get a warning. If you do it again, you should be suspended. Its one thing to post some non-sense photo in a thread you know is going to be locked, but just upping your post count is lame.

I like the "stopped counting" one, or there should be a "post whore" if you average per day/avg. word count is too high/low.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by vivamisha:
I personally find some people's ridiculously high post counts in a small period of time to be sad.

It'd be nice if there were some way to give some a "Loser" status for achieving say 1000 posts in a couple months. Not that anyone's a loser, I'm just saying...

[turtle777]

Originally posted by DeathMan:
I think a plus one should get a warning. If you do it again, you should be suspended.

So who's is to judge if a post's content is equal to +1 ?

There are a million ways of posting a +1 post without using the actual "+1" !

Would a "" qualify as a +1 ?

How about " " ?

Or "I agree"

Or...or...or...

-t

[Xeo]

Giving special titles to people who do a certain amount in a certain time will almost assuredly create a new breed of stupidity that strives for such titles.

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
It'd be interesting to implement such a system here, if none other than to observe how people treat it. Unfortunately, it'd mimic Slashdot a bit too much for my tastes.

It would mimic slashdot, at least, the idea regarding "good posts." But I've never used the ./ system as I don't read anything over there, so I don't know exactly how it works. And I don't think the "bad posts" idea is implemented in any form there, but I really don't know. Everything I know about the system is info I have picked up 3rd hand, mostly from people here talking about it.

[scaught]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
once i upgrade the board i'll likely remove postcounts and replace them with more user status titles. more ranges, like: 1-20, 21-50, 51-100, 101-250, 251-400, 401-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-2000, etc..

i support this decision.

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by Xeo:
It would mimic slashdot, at least, the idea regarding "good posts." But I've never used the ./ system as I don't read anything over there, so I don't know exactly how it works. And I don't think the "bad posts" idea is implemented in any form there, but I really don't know. Everything I know about the system is info I have picked up 3rd hand, mostly from people here talking about it.

I'd be willing to bet they got the idea from Slashdot.

They have a "karma" system setup, by which certain individuals who have points can moderate a post up or down.

[Stradlater]

But then Zimph wouldn't lead in the count anymore; most of his posts don't even have one word in them!

(Unless, of course, [img] counts as a word.)

[CD Hanks]

Originally posted by scaught:
i support this decision.

Originally posted by Xeo:
Giving special titles to people who do a certain amount in a certain time will almost assuredly create a new breed of stupidity that strives for such titles.

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by manofsteal:

[Person Man]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
once i upgrade the board i'll likely remove postcounts and replace them with more user status titles. more ranges, like: 1-20, 21-50, 51-100, 101-250, 251-400, 401-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-2000, etc..

If you remove the public display of post counts, will we still be able to see our own, personal post counts so we can keep track (for ourselves) of how many we've made?

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Person Man:
If you remove the public display of post counts, will we still be able to see our own, personal post counts so we can keep track (for ourselves) of how many we've made?

If removed, remove it completely.
Otherwise, people will still be posting to get their pc up.
If you don't know, you might not care as much.

-t

[Person Man]

Originally posted by turtle777:
If removed, remove it completely.
Otherwise, people will still be posting to get their pc up.
If you don't know, you might not care as much.

-t

Not that I don't care, but I still like to know how many posts I have made. You'd still have people spamming posts like mad with a display of "rank" based on post counts. You'd have to do away with all indications of "rank" entirely to really make a dent in the problem.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
once i upgrade the board i'll likely remove postcounts and replace them with more user status titles. more ranges, like: 1-20, 21-50, 51-100, 101-250, 251-400, 401-500, 501-750, 751-1000, 1001-2000, etc..

An upgrade, eh? Hmm, I nearly forgot about this infamous "upgrade" it's been so long...

[phantomdragonz]

something needs to be done, this has come up time and time again... I like the ranges, because then you would have to check the profiles for the exact posts, which would keep a lot of the pimple kids from making +1 posts. anything else would be too complex.

Zach

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
I'd be willing to bet they got the idea from Slashdot.

They have a "karma" system setup, by which certain individuals who have points can moderate a post up or down.

I'm for adding karma points. Great way of keeping everyone in line.