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Lancer409 · Oct 19, 2004, 06:13 PM

these were taken by a happy new owner! amazing how well he framed the car and how great the pictures turned out .. wonder what camera he used ... geez i wish i could shoot like that.

that being said ... the car is the new Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 MR Edition.

4 wheel drive
4 cylinder turbocharged engine with a hp/torque bumpup
Active Center Differential
Bilstein shocks
Brembo breaks
6 shifter
Further weight reduction in using an aluminum roof.

obviously much much more ... enjoy!

Huge Carbon Fiber wing/spoler (yes .. it is functional)
Vortex Generator (helps provide even more downforce on that spoiler)

Gorgeous Car ... Wonder what Subie's STi response will be. The reviews are saying the car grips better than before (which is amazing considering the previous levels of grip) while maintaining a MUCH MUCH smoother ride. some have said it's bmw like in ride quality (new shocks)

banninated68 · Oct 19, 2004, 07:11 PM

They're pretty cool, but I think I'd rather have an STi. Not because of the brand, or anything other than it just seems like the STi is a little better built than the evo. Fast is cool, but .... I think that mitsu has a little ways to in the quality dept.

- Rob

E's Lil Theorem · Oct 19, 2004, 07:17 PM

Pimpy.

If you don't mind sharing, what's the final price on that puppy?

banninated68 · Oct 19, 2004, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
Pimpy.

If you don't mind sharing, what's the final price on that puppy?

low thirties I believe.

- Rob

the_glassman · Oct 19, 2004, 07:21 PM

Mitsubishi's build quality and service=teh sux!
Nice car though. I would still take an STi over it. There's no replacement for displacement!

awaspaas · Oct 19, 2004, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
Huge Carbon Fiber wing/spoler (yes .. it is functional)

LAWL

angaq0k · Oct 19, 2004, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Mitsubishi's build quality and service=teh sux!
Nice car though. I would still take an STi over it. There's no replacement for displacement!

Another trash can on wheels....

ambush · Oct 19, 2004, 08:38 PM

Pretty R33t

bad ass design

djohnson · Oct 19, 2004, 08:50 PM

I would rather take more power with less boost like the sti makes. Nice car though!

Lancer409 · Oct 19, 2004, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by djohnson:
I would rather take more power with less boost like the sti makes. Nice car though!

the STi has less power then the evolution in all global markets except in america. they knew they couldnt compete with the evolution on specs and knew that americans value hp numbers more than the total package so they bumped up the engine size by 25 percent. considering this, most magazines still prefer the lancer evolution. the problem i have with the STi is the fact that they look more at the power the car generates over the balance, and precision steering. oh ... and more power with less boost? the STi has been known to detonate .... I'd take a solid rally tested engine that can successfully handle over 600hp, great handling, precise steering ... over something with a bigger engine ... sorta like how a lot of car guys prefer STi's over mustangs with V8 because of the boat like steering ... compared to the Evolution.. The STi has boat like steering.

the MR's suspension has been uprated. Some say the ride quality is on bmw level while the performance exceeds the original evolution 8. I dont understand it.. the evolution 8's interior is fine ... I dont see what's so crappy about it. But I will say this ... My best friend is an STi kinda guy .. dunno why .. so .. *shrug* guess it comes down to preference. Most of the 1000 cars are already ordered so

... Oh well .. we'll see how the magazines like it.

edit: Those that got it at around MSRP paid a little north of 35k (tax etc)
one guy paid 41k (i assume some markup .. and some sorta insurance package -thinking it's bs warrantee)

and i forgot who LAWL'ed at the comment about the functional wing... i remember that other car thread where they were all bashing the wings on that dodge neon .. hahahah

banninated68 · Oct 19, 2004, 10:40 PM

Don't get me wrong, it's a sweet car. I just think the fit/finish and everything isn't quite up to snuff on most mitsu products. Good looking, and yes, it's supposedly a better driver than the STi, but again, I don't really care about speed enough to sacrifice build quality.

- Rob

Lancer409 · Oct 19, 2004, 10:45 PM

While I agree Subaru has good build quality, and Mitsubishi's build quality is shoddier on their line of cars, The Evolution is very well built and the engine is Bullet Proof!

milenko11 · Oct 19, 2004, 10:52 PM

In all fairness the STi detonation problem was corrected by an ECU reflash. I'm with Ca$h. I'd rather have the STi. Subaru's build quality is much better than Mitsubishi. Also, while magazines say the Evo is a better handling car, they all pretty much agree the STi is a better daily driver. Simply put, you can not legally push either of those cars to their limits on the streets. You will only notice the difference on the track. I do think the MR is a nicer looking car though (only on the outside).

milenko11 · Oct 19, 2004, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
the STi has less power then the evolution in all global markets except in america. they knew they couldnt compete with the evolution on specs and knew that americans value hp numbers more than the total package so they bumped up the engine size by 25 percent. considering this, most magazines still prefer the lancer evolution. the problem i have with the STi is the fact that they look more at the power the car generates over the balance, and precision steering. oh ... and more power with less boost? the STi has been known to detonate .... I'd take a solid rally tested engine that can successfully handle over 600hp, great handling, precise steering ... over something with a bigger engine ... sorta like how a lot of car guys prefer STi's over mustangs with V8 because of the boat like steering ... compared to the Evolution.. The STi has boat like steering.

the MR's suspension has been uprated. Some say the ride quality is on bmw level while the performance exceeds the original evolution 8. I dont understand it.. the evolution 8's interior is fine ... I dont see what's so crappy about it. But I will say this ... My best friend is an STi kinda guy .. dunno why .. so .. *shrug* guess it comes down to preference. Most of the 1000 cars are already ordered so ... Oh well .. we'll see how the magazines like it.

edit: Those that got it at around MSRP paid a little north of 35k (tax etc)
one guy paid 41k (i assume some markup .. and some sorta insurance package -thinking it's bs warrantee)

and i forgot who LAWL'ed at the comment about the functional wing... i remember that other car thread where they were all bashing the wings on that dodge neon .. hahahah

Also, the average Evo might edge out the average STi, but if you compare the Euro (and Japanese) speced Spec Cs, they have consintantly destroyed most any car that it is put up against. This includes any version FQ Evo they have in Europe.

djohnson · Oct 19, 2004, 11:11 PM

Which ever you like, you gotta love the intercooler sticking out front.

Oh and I second the comment that you cannot legally push any sports car to their limit. So sad really, but needed. Now how many people here will get to sit in one, let alone drive or own one? Test drive at dealerships do not count...

Lancer409 · Oct 19, 2004, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by djohnson:
Which ever you like, you gotta love the intercooler sticking out front. Oh and I second the comment that you cannot legally push any sports car to their limit. So sad really, but needed. Now how many people here will get to sit in one, let alone drive or own one? Test drive at dealerships do not count...

a friend of mine owns a 03 yellow evo, another owns a blue STi. =) and I sat in one at the dealership after 12 midnight ... that was one cool ass janitor guy

as for the sti being a better daily driver, that's what the MR fixes, with it's new suspension set up ... this thing is smoooth and it handles BETTER than the previous evolutions. It finally brought over it's Active Center Differential ... but they still left out Active Yaw Control..

Macfreak7 · Oct 20, 2004, 12:20 AM

Could've picked some better wheels! :-P

nonetheless

Spliffdaddy · Oct 20, 2004, 12:34 AM

Looking better than a Subaru is pretty darned easy.

the_glassman · Oct 20, 2004, 12:48 AM

I think I would rather have this as well.

Mazdaspeed 6.

Lancer409 · Oct 20, 2004, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
I think I would rather have this as well.

Mazdaspeed 6.

totally different beasts ...

as for subaru's being ugly .. i have been liking their styling more and more lately .. their legacy line ... gorgeous ... shape of the car, and the front end styling (lights etc) ... beautiful. much nicer than camry/accord/tsx/galant/most others in it's class. (including the 6)

i like subie's design trend compared to mitsu ... the new eclipse ... what the heck? .... and the diamante looks like a lancer (styling) .. ugh ... i could do a better job ... the only bright spot is the evo and the eclipse ... that eclipse concept with the concept hybrid system .. that woulda been sweet ... how many horsepower did that thing have? (anyone still remember or can find it?)

coulda chosen better wheels? ... as in rims .. or as in the car itself? ... anyways ... it got a thumbs up so what does it matter *takes another shot* ... *hic*

the_glassman · Oct 20, 2004, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
totally different beasts ...

Not all that different, similar horsepower, 6 speeds and AWD.

Lancer409 · Oct 20, 2004, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
Not all that different, similar horsepower, 6 speeds and AWD.

it's targeting 220hp... so it's not that similar. good effort, but i dont think this car is targeting the evo as much as it's going after legacy gt, and other performance sedans. i also think the spirit/soul of the car is far different .. hard to explain what i mean by that but i bet you guys know what i mean.

Lancer409 · 06:45 AM

Originally posted by milenko11:
Also, the average Evo might edge out the average STi, but if you compare the Euro (and Japanese) speced Spec Cs, they have consintantly destroyed most any car that it is put up against. This includes any version FQ Evo they have in Europe.

Alright .. this took me FOREVER to find ...

http://norcalevo.net/gallery/albums/...ScoobyLow.mpeg
[edit] this is approx 33 Megs, so 56k'ers BEWARE!

Top Gear's "Stig" tests both of these cars and records lap time. Check out the times the cars post, and compare it to cars they have previously tested. If I remember correctly, Mitsubishi has pretty consistently held Subaru at bay. These two guys prefer STi's but they've admitted that the evo 6 was better than the Subaru Impreza P1, and again that the MR is better than the WRX WR1, Subaru's latest offering. Tiff Needel said, after test driving the Evo8, WRX STi, and an Audi (forgot what car, it had 6 or 8 cylinders) that when it comes to fun "It'd be that one [Evo] by a mile."

milenko11 · Oct 20, 2004, 06:56 AM

Unfortunately the WR1 did fall a little short. That is why I didnt' mention it.

I'm talking about the Spec C. Evo magazine did a test between that, the FQ330 and the M3 CSL and the Spec C easily beat the Evo and even edge out the CSL. I'm not saying that the Evo isn't a phenominal car. I haven't gotten the oppurtunity to drive an Evo yet but I have driven an STi. I also own a WRX. My problem with the Evo would be the turbo lag. From what I've read (not experienced) it's turbo lag is a little worse than the regular WRX. Whereas with the STi and the 2.5 was like driving a completely different beast. I will be trading in my WRX for an STi soon (not before driving an Evo, an MR would be amazing) and I will start modifying right away.

Also, the new Legacy is absolutely gorgeous. The Mazdaspeed 6 probably won't even hold a candle to it. The Legacy was designed to compete with the BMW 3 series and the like. I wouldn't mind picking up the GT in black as a second vehicle.

The Eclipse prototype hybrid had lke 450 hp or so, but it also weighed like 4000 pounds or maybe a little more. Mitsubishi should release show off the final product early next year. It might look nice but they keep packing on the pounds to the Eclipse. It is going to be bigger than the 3rd gen.

Lancer409 · Oct 20, 2004, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by milenko11:
Unfortunately the WR1 did fall a little short. That is why I didnt' mention it. I'm talking about the Spec C. Evo magazine did a test between that, the FQ330 and the M3 CSL and the Spec C easily beat the Evo and even edge out the CSL. I'm not saying that the Evo isn't a phenominal car. I haven't gotten the oppurtunity to drive an Evo yet but I have driven an STi. I also own a WRX. My problem with the Evo would be the turbo lag. From what I've read (not experienced) it's turbo lag is a little worse than the regular WRX. Whereas with the STi and the 2.5 was like driving a completely different beast. I will be trading in my WRX for an STi soon (not before driving an Evo, an MR would be amazing) and I will start modifying right away.

Also, the new Legacy is absolutely gorgeous. The Mazdaspeed 6 probably won't even hold a candle to it. The Legacy was designed to compete with the BMW 3 series and the like. I wouldn't mind picking up the GT in black as a second vehicle.

The Eclipse prototype hybrid had lke 450 hp or so, but it also weighed like 4000 pounds or maybe a little more. Mitsubishi should release show off the final product early next year. It might look nice but they keep packing on the pounds to the Eclipse. It is going to be bigger than the 3rd gen.

that's why mitsu's designs bother me. i dont think it'll look that sweet at 4000lb and only 260?!? horsepower? They better lighten it because it wont be getting that hybrid system.

as for turbo lag .. i dunno .. but lemme point you this way =)

EVO VS STi shootout

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthr...e=19&pp=15
Evo owners claiming they won.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ge=3&pp=25
STi owner's claiming Evo's won.. some were bitter ...

"Guys who bought the EVO knew what they were getting when they bought em. They wanted to go fast cheap. It's a proven platform that's easier to work on with an aftermarket support far beyond ours. How many intake manifolds do we have to choose from ? How many cam options do we have ?....and who the hell wants to do that install ? You wanna be a fast scoob ? these are the realities that you've got to deal with

Everyone who's hangin their head should have known that long before this shootout.

And for my sour grapes poke (even though I wasn't there)...I'd just like to say that EVO's look and sound like Banzai Rice...right out of the wrapper."

Banzai Rice? .. Go fast cheap? ... geez .. that's modified civic territory ...
another quote

"i totally agree. this is the saddest day and it's 9/11 go figure. maybe our subarus are sad because it's 9/11 and just couldn't run that good. "

The event was on 9/11 .. which explains the quote .. still odd though..

Turbo Lag or not .. they do pretty well in a straight line too

Did they ever compare that Evo MR and the WRX Spec C?

Zimphire · Oct 20, 2004, 11:02 AM

I like EVOs for the most part. I just don't like this recent sedan trend.

It would have looked a lot nicer as a coupe.

I hear the car that is going to replace the Neon in 2006 is going to be based on the Lancer platform as well.

It is supposed to have a coupe version as well.

We will soon see.

wdlove · Oct 20, 2004, 11:08 AM

All that really matter is that you are happy with your car. Appears to be quite a power house.

the_glassman · Oct 20, 2004, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
it's targeting 220hp... so it's not that similar. good effort, but i dont think this car is targeting the evo as much as it's going after legacy gt, and other performance sedans. i also think the spirit/soul of the car is far different .. hard to explain what i mean by that but i bet you guys know what i mean.

It's got 276 hp and 280 lbs of torque.

Lancer409 · Oct 20, 2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by the_glassman:
It's got 276 hp and 280 lbs of torque.

When i said it has 220 horsepower, I was talking about the Mazdaspeed 6. Some others said the car was similar to the evo and i was pointed out how there is a 56hp difference.

His Dudeness · Oct 20, 2004, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by banninated68:
low thirties I believe.

- Rob

Low 30's for a 4 banger? I don't think so, Tim.

Low 30's will get you a HEMI. 5.7 liter V-8. I think so, Tim.

the_glassman · Oct 20, 2004, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
When i said it has 220 horsepower, I was talking about the Mazdaspeed 6. Some others said the car was similar to the evo and i was pointed out how there is a 56hp difference.

The Mazdaspeed 6 has 276 hp and 280 lbs of torque. Where are you getting 220?

CD Hanks · Oct 20, 2004, 03:22 PM

Requesting ass shot plz.

(OF THE CAR)

xi_hyperon · 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Lancer409:
totally different beasts ...

as for subaru's being ugly .. i have been liking their styling more and more lately .. their legacy line ... gorgeous ... shape of the car, and the front end styling (lights etc) ... beautiful. much nicer than camry/accord/tsx/galant/most others in it's class. (including the 6)

Actually the 6 looks quite similar to the TSX, especially from the front. The lines are a bit more rounded, but the similarities are definitely there.

edit: oops, my bad. No reading comprehension today - I saw the photo quoted in your post and thought you were referring to the Mazda 6. I will agree that the Legacy looks different than a TSX.

Zimphire · Oct 20, 2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Requesting ass shot plz.

(OF THE CAR)

CD Hanks · Oct 20, 2004, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/norr...s_evo_rear.jpg

That's nice.

I'd like shots of HIS car.

milenko11 · Oct 20, 2004, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
Low 30's for a 4 banger? I don't think so, Tim.

Low 30's will get you a HEMI. 5.7 liter V-8. I think so, Tim.

That 4 banger will still be faster than your mighty HEMI (which is only a Hemi by name, its not the original one) and get better gas mileage to boot. Oh, that V8 is also heavier. Why would I want the V8?

Zimphire · Oct 20, 2004, 08:19 PM

Depends on the hemi.

milenko11 · Oct 20, 2004, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Depends on the hemi.

Which stock vehicle that comes with a hemi can hit a 12.9 in the quarter?

Zimphire · Oct 20, 2004, 09:06 PM

Stock? Who said stock?

BTW the new Charger is coming out.

And the SRT-8 is pretty darn fast. Not sure of the 1/4 time.

milenko11 · Oct 20, 2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Stock? Who said stock?

BTW the new Charger is coming out.

And the SRT-8 is pretty darn fast. Not sure of the 1/4 time.

Not stock... there are Evos and STis and plenty of other 4 cylinders that can run toe to toe with the V8s. Besides, the new Charger will probably be good for low to mid 13s. A well driven STi has been known to ever so slightly dip into 12s.

Zimphire · Oct 20, 2004, 10:13 PM

No, there are no hemis STOCK right now that can beat the EVO.

But I have seen a few Stage II SRT-4s do it.

IceEnclosure · Oct 20, 2004, 10:36 PM

****ing Hemi-Shmemi. WTF compares Hemis to 4 cyl. turbo cars.

and for $34,000+ I'd buy an '04 Cobra. but I'm not comparing, just sayin'.

and betwixt the two cars we ARE comparing, I'd buy the Subie. better looking car with similar performance.

His Dudeness · Oct 21, 2004, 01:52 AM

So you think a 4 cylinder turbo with 276 horsepower can beat a 5.7 liter V-8 with 340 horsepower? Yeah, okay.

IceEnclosure · Oct 21, 2004, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
So you think a 4 cylinder turbo with 276 horsepower can beat a 5.7 liter V-8 with 340 horsepower? Yeah, okay.

if the 340 HP car weighs 3900 lbs and the 276 HP car weighs 2950, I'll take the 276 HP car and blow your doors off. (not to mention the easy mods to a turbo car, bringing that figure over 325 HP rather easily)

Lancer409 · Oct 21, 2004, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by IceEnclosure:
if the 340 HP car weighs 3900 lbs and the 276 HP car weighs 2950, I'll take the 276 HP car and blow your doors off. (not to mention the easy mods to a turbo car, bringing that figure over 325 HP rather easily)

There are Evo's running well over 600 horsepower. I dont remember if i read over 800 before .. i think i did but i'm not backing that. The mark of a car isnt it's power, or it's power to weight ratio .. it also includes the suspension and it's ability to turn. mustangs are nice ... in a straight line. past mustangs turn like boats ... i knew a guy who sold his mustang gt for an evo. he said he couldnt stand driving the mustang after test driving the evo ... then again ... most americans watch nascar and drag racing ... (straight line or one big ring *yawn*

it's amazing rallying isnt big here ... watch some rally footage ... those guys got ballz...

i will say the best buy for a sports car is the corvette. but if you want supercar spanking power/grip in a practical four door vehicle, evo or sti.. it's no coincidence that these cars show up on the scene, and all mags are RAVING about their performance. The Evo Mr FQ blah blah .. whatever (you saw the video clip right guys?!?) was juuuust behind the lamborghini gallardo, but it was much faster than the murcielago through their special test track which was designed to challenge any car they throw at it.

not to mention it's geared to accelerate like a rocket, slingshot'ing through corners ... man ... it is a lot of car for the money. the evo was always rough, the new mr gives it better control, more power, more torque, lower center of gravity, more grip ...

and it does it much more comfortably ... it's new shock set up is supposed to be very comfy on bumps and grippy around corners. woot!

where is Man of Steal ... I'm waiting for a "New Hotness" ....

His Dudeness · Oct 21, 2004, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by IceEnclosure:
if the 340 HP car weighs 3900 lbs and the 276 HP car weighs 2950, I'll take the 276 HP car and blow your doors off. (not to mention the easy mods to a turbo car, bringing that figure over 325 HP rather easily)

I don't care about mods. It's STILL a Mitsubishi. Quality, fit and finish is NOT there. You can stuff a big engine in a turd and you still got a turd.

If you want mods, I'll take a Lingenfelter Vette. Sorry, I'd rather have a V-8 than a 4 banger anyday of the week.

Lancer409 · Oct 21, 2004, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
I don't care about mods. It's STILL a Mitsubishi. Quality, fit and finish is NOT there. You can stuff a big engine in a turd and you still got a turd.

If you want mods, I'll take a Lingenfelter Vette. Sorry, I'd rather have a V-8 than a 4 banger anyday of the week.

Why apologize? You can have your preference and opinion. I do find that turd comment ... well ... let's just say that while I agree that most mitsu vehicles are not there quality wise, I believe if nothing else, the Evolution is a WELL BUILT MACHINE. Among imports, i would rate it up there with the Supra, Skyline, STi in terms of build quality.

Now .. what do I mean by that? It is well built for a specific purpose. The Vette is built for massive speed and acceleration. Fit and finish? It's not supposed to be a cushy luxury car. The car is made to be as light as possible, while having supercar-spanking speed and cornering ability. It is not built to wrap you in luxury, but if you must have it .. check out the leather and sound version. I checked it out at a dealership. Leather buckets, clean dash, a flip up dvd and surround sound ... so .. pff .. you have your preference, but there are things the Evo can do that the Vette couldnt and vice versa. I dont know why you would classify it as a turd. There's a reason why auto magazines rave over these cars.

Hell .. the STi didnt even come with a radio to "save weight" ... lol ..

IceEnclosure · Oct 21, 2004, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
I don't care about mods. It's STILL a Mitsubishi. Quality, fit and finish is NOT there. You can stuff a big engine in a turd and you still got a turd.

If you want mods, I'll take a Lingenfelter Vette. Sorry, I'd rather have a V-8 than a 4 banger anyday of the week.

agreed... it'd still be a Mitsu. It's a little tin can (even moreso now with lightweight panels etc)..

Mitsu updates this damn thing like thrice a year so people with 'Lancer' in their screenname/handle etc can have something to get all excited about.

edit--> don't get your panties in a bunch, kiddos.. I'd drive the piss out of an EVO or STi.

Lancer409 · Oct 21, 2004, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by IceEnclosure:
agreed... it'd still be a Mitsu. It's a little tin can (even moreso now with lightweight panels etc)..

Mitsu updates this damn thing like thrice a year so people with 'Lancer' in their screenname/handle etc can have something to get all excited about.

edit--> don't get your panties in a bunch, kiddos.. I'd drive the piss out of an EVO or STi.

the panties are fine .. it's the 'hose that's bunching .. lol ...

i'm not getting heated .. i just dont understand why people cant get it in their heads that these cars are for "specific niche markets" ... they arent for everybody but for the purpose they are built for, they are fantastic ...

following the logic of most of the folks on that posted anti mitsubishi .. it's sorta like saying i'd never touch an srt-4 cause it's a trash bin neon ... pff .. it's a great car with fantastic performance at its price... why cant people just enjoy it for what it is?!? ... let's see ... pontiac solstice? it's a pontiac .. eww .. new mustang, looks great ... it's a ford ... firestone recall ... ford coverup ... the crap handling ... crap interior ..

i like cars .. period .. i just really like this one? i bash the STi for fun, my best friend loves the darn thing and i know people who own 'em and enjoy 'em ... but some people seem to have a seething hate for mitsubishi ...

maybe that's why toyota started lexus, nissan -infinity .... honda - acura ... because no one would own the cars if they didnt have "luxury badging" .. pff .. closed minded ...

milenko11 · Oct 21, 2004, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, there are no hemis STOCK right now that can beat the EVO.

But I have seen a few Stage II SRT-4s do it.

Well yeah. It is very hard to compete with the SRT-4 for the dollar to performance value. At least it is still a 4 cylinder.

Also, yeah, the 03+ Cobras are amazing. That is one V8 I wouldn't turn down. There are plenty out there that are great. The LS1, LS2 and soon LS7 are amazing. I'm just saying these 4 bangers can beat alot of the V6s and a good amount of the V8s. The nice thing about turbo cars is that it is very easy to squeeze extra hp out of them. It's pathetic how easy it is to get an Evo or STi up to 300 WHEEL hp.

Dudeness, of course I'd take a Lingenfelter Vette. But if you are going to just throw out any car out there I'll take a Porsce 911 Turbo tuned by Shiv.