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Another Music Industry Rip-off
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Please note this is not a complaint about the Apple iTunes Music Store, it is a discussion about how the Music Industry use it to rip-off customers.
I like Robbie Williams, as do many people in the UK and Europe.
He may not be to your taste, but this is an important message about how the Music Industry use artists like this to fleece customers.
This week in Europe Robbie Williams released his Greatest Hits Album in the UK. It is a great collection of songs, but most fans will already have all the songs from previous albums, that is except for the 2 new tracks that appear on this album.
When I saw the new album on the music store I thought great, I will buy the 2 new tracks, as I already have the other in my collection.
Guess what !! The only way to get the 2 new tracks (the latest single is one of them), it to buy the whole album.
This has clearly been designed to extract as much money as possible from Robbie Williams fans, and it stinks.
I decided not to buy the album, it is a complete waste of money to spend £7.99 for 2 tracks that I don'have.
It's not the way to drive electronic music sales, it's clearly an abuse of power and control, shame on you.
Apple are of course not to blame for this, I don't even know if they understand the impact of these limitations, as the UK content is actually managed from the USA. They will probably be unaware of how this affects UK users, as they don't know that the tracks are 'unique' to that album and have not been released before.
It's a shame that the music industry still feels the need to rip us off, it hardly makes you want to be honest when the do tricks like this.
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I like Robbie Williams, as do many people in the UK and Europe.
Then this may be of interest to you, friend. Handling filthy media is so 1999, but then again, it will appeal to some.
For those who don't wanna click (from Engadget):
Robbie Williams’ new album is being made available on MMC multimedia cards. The cards, produced by EMI Records and The Carphone Warehouse, include Robbie’s complete album plus video content. So the idea is this: hip Robbie Williams listener buys new album on MMC card. Hip listener slips Robbie’s new album into his phone and jams out.
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Oh well. I guess thats why limewire is for.
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Originally posted by DigitalEl:
Then this may be of interest to you, friend. Handling filthy media is so 1999, but then again, it will appeal to some.
Robbie Williams’ new album is being made available on MMC multimedia cards. The cards, produced by EMI Records and The Carphone Warehouse, include Robbie’s complete album plus video content. So the idea is this: hip Robbie Williams listener buys new album on MMC card. Hip listener slips Robbie’s new album into his phone and jams out. [/B]
£30! - that's US$55
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Lame self-quote:
it will appeal to some.
Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
£30! - that's US$55
I guess it's appealing to those with more money than sense. 
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Originally posted by Parky:
This week in Europe Robbie Williams released his Greatest Hits Album in the UK. It is a great collection of songs, but most fans will already have all the songs from previous albums, that is except for the 2 new tracks that appear on this album.
When I saw the new album on the music store I thought great, I will buy the 2 new tracks, as I already have the other in my collection.
Guess what !! The only way to get the 2 new tracks (the latest single is one of them), it to buy the whole album.
This has clearly been designed to extract as much money as possible from Robbie Williams fans, and it stinks.
I decided not to buy the album, it is a complete waste of money to spend £7.99 for 2 tracks that I don'have.
It's not the way to drive electronic music sales, it's clearly an abuse of power and control, shame on you.
Ian,
That has absolutely nothing to do with "driving electronic music sales".
That is the way "Greatest Hits" albums have been working for decades. That's the whole point of them (well, that and trying to get first-time listeners to buy earlier albums). Fans go out and buy them to get RARE UNRELEASED tracks not available anywhere else (at least until the next hit compilation three years later).
Witness what the Beatles did with Anthology - even the hallowed Beatles.
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Originally posted by Parky:
Apple are of course not to blame for this, I don't even know if they understand the impact of these limitations, as the UK content is actually managed from the USA.
The UK content is managed from Luxembourg.
Anyway, I don't think this has anything to do with Apple.
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
hallowed Beatles.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't hallow the Beatles.
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Originally posted by Gankdawg:
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't hallow the Beatles.
Count me in.
Together, maybe we can change the world  
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Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
£30! - that's US$55
that's more than 2x the price of an SACD, at a fraction of the quality. Total crap. 
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Originally posted by Parky:
Please note this is not a complaint about the Apple iTunes Music Store, it is a discussion about how the Music Industry use it to rip-off customers.
I really don't understand the problem.
No one forces you to buy it. If you don't buy, you are not ripped-off.
If you are so addicted that you absolutely need the two new songs, then it's your own problem. Addicts will always be ripped-off !
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Ian,
That has absolutely nothing to do with "driving electronic music sales".
That is the way "Greatest Hits" albums have been working for decades. That's the whole point of them (well, that and trying to get first-time listeners to buy earlier albums). Fans go out and buy them to get RARE UNRELEASED tracks not available anywhere else (at least until the next hit compilation three years later).
Witness what the Beatles did with Anthology - even the hallowed Beatles.
-s*
TRUE.
HOWEVER, think of the new fans. I have bought a lot of Greatest Hits to catch up with bands from not my generation. Such as Beatles, Louis Armstrong, Buddy Holly and etc.
When they release it with a new track it spurs me to buy the whole thing.
So it's not black and white
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Originally posted by TETENAL:
The UK content is managed from Luxembourg.
Anyway, I don't think this has anything to do with Apple.
I did say if you look at my post that I thought I had nothing to do with Apple.
And for the record Apple Cupertino mange all content for all stores.
I know this because I have been working with the iTunes engineering team, we discussed content management and it is all run from Apple HQ.
The Luxembourg side is purely a holding company for tax reasons, etc.
As to not being 'forced to buy', of course I'm not being forced, but they have certainly made it impossible for me to buy the single which I want.
The whole principal of making tracks 'album only' is wrong and it's not really going to help the cause of online sales. It's a lost sale as far as I am concerned, how is that good business?
No matter how you look at it the music industry (not Apple) are still trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of consumers. Rather than force them down the illegal path of copying they should embrace the medium and sell the things that people want.
I will now copy this from someone else, it's their loss.
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At least with a lot of Christian greatest hits you get a lota new unreleased stuff. I think the Insyderz probably had at least 6 new songs on their's, plankeye had all new recordings of a few, and lots of bands do live CDs. But greatest hits are evil. But you wanna see really bad. Sparrow just rereleased the new Switchfoot CD with ONE new song. Tooth and Nail just rereleased the original TFK album but with 5 new songs and a new cover... blah.
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Originally posted by Superchicken:
At least with a lot of Christian greatest hits you get a lota new unreleased stuff. I think the Insyderz probably had at least 6 new songs on their's, plankeye had all new recordings of a few, and lots of bands do live CDs. But greatest hits are evil. But you wanna see really bad. Sparrow just rereleased the new Switchfoot CD with ONE new song. Tooth and Nail just rereleased the original TFK album but with 5 new songs and a new cover... blah.
Thats it i'm wiping my iPod and filling it up with Christian music.
Blocking all non Christian Channels from my TV
Burning all non Christian Books
Pouring all non-communion wine down the toilet
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Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
TRUE.
HOWEVER, think of the new fans. I have bought a lot of Greatest Hits to catch up with bands from not my generation. Such as Beatles, Louis Armstrong, Buddy Holly and etc.
When they release it with a new track it spurs me to buy the whole thing.
So it's not black and white
I don't know that.
Now, I don't buy - or even particularly like - Greatest Hits compilations, but I'd think that somebody who's liable to buy a compilation as an introduction to a "new" (to them) artist will do so regardless of "extra" tracks.
On the other hand: fans who already have all the albums. They're much more likely to buy if there's a couple of bonus tracks.
FWIW, I think Greatest Hits compilations should be just that - spare the "bonus" tracks for the next album, or a B-Sides compilation.
MHO.
-s*
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