[Atomic Rooster]

No there wasn't a coup.

Castro's state of health is considered a state secret and is not discussed by the government.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3761748.stm

[DeathToWindows]

sounds painful

[turtle777]

When he fell, some of those among the audience of 30,000 broke into tears, a Reuters correspondent reports.

-t

[awcopus]

May his death come soon and be torturously painful.

[Scifience]

Originally posted by awcopus:
May his death come soon and be torturously painful.

Why would you wish that on him?

[milhous]

Originally posted by turtle777:
When he fell, some of those among the audience of 30,000 broke into tears, a Reuters correspondent reports.

no doubt crying under duress.

[OldManMac]

When one is fed the same lies over and over, ad nauseam, they tend to feel empathy with the liar, whether in Cuba or the U. S.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Scifience:
Why would you wish that on him?

Because I take the experience of living under his regime recounted to me by friends who escaped it, and I multiply that by thousands of thousands, and I realize that this human being whose name is Fidel Castro not only does not deserve to be alive but in fact ought to be punished in extraordinary ways for the misery and death he has wrought.

Happy to clear up any confusion about why I would wish Fidel Castro only a torturously painful death.

[Evan_11]

No doubt the likes of Oliver Stone and Sean Penn will be sending him Get Well Soon cards.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by KarlG:
When one is fed the same lies over and over, ad nauseam, they tend to feel empathy with the liar, whether in Cuba or the U. S.

Let's see first it was Hitler now it's Castro. Where does Napoleon fit into this picture?

[Zimphire]

When he is gone, things will change down there.

[G4ME]

yeah we will get better cigars

[The Godfather]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
When he is gone, things will change down there.

That's if his brother generously decides to organize elections and not assume the power the day Fidel dies.

[nredman]

just saw it on the news, i laughed.

[Eriamjh]

I heard there was video. Any links? I also heard it is freakin' hilarious!

[Logic]

I find it very sad that people here are amused because an old man fell and broke his knee cap and arm. What sad excuses for human beings................

[chabig]

"Fidel Castro, Cuba's 78-year-old leader, has fractured a knee and an arm after he tripped and fell at the end of a televised public speech."

Live from New York...It's Saturday Night!

[Eriamjh]

Originally posted by Logic:
I find it very sad that people here are amused because an old man fell and broke his knee cap and arm. What sad excuses for human beings................

Not as sad as the harm he has brought to Cuba as a communist dictator.

[Toutgood]

I wonder if these means he won't be in a Yankee uniform next year.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Logic:
I find it very sad that people here are amused because an old man fell and broke his knee cap and arm. What sad excuses for human beings................

To be fair: the world had a good laugh whe Dubya fought the deadly pretzel, though of course he didn't break his kneecap.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Logic:
I find it very sad that people here are amused because an old man fell and broke his knee cap and arm. What sad excuses for human beings................

<Logic>

All who willfully impoverish, torture, and murder millions of humans deserve pain and misery and death.

Fidel Castro willfully impoverishes, tortures, and murders millions of humans.

Fidel Castro deserves pain and misery and death.

</Logic>

[Logic]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
Not as sad as the harm he has brought to Cuba as a communist dictator.

Because Batista was so much better

[Logic]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
To be fair: the world had a good laugh whe Dubya fought the deadly pretzel, though of course he didn't break his kneecap.

Yup, that's true and was equally sad.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by awcopus:
<Logic>

All who willfully impoverish, torture, and murder millions of humans deserve pain and misery and death.

Fidel Castro willfully impoverishes, tortures, and murders millions of humans.

Fidel Castro deserves pain and misery and death.

</Logic>

Unlike you I don't judge people on my terms, so naturally I don't follow that short-sighted route of logic.

[Powerbook]

Originally posted by awcopus:
<Logic>

All who willfully impoverish, torture, and murder millions of humans deserve pain and misery and death.

Fidel Castro willfully impoverishes, tortures, and murders millions of humans.

Fidel Castro deserves pain and misery and death.

</Logic>

I've never heard of willfully impoverished, tortured or murdered millions of humans in Cuba. And I live in the informed part of the world (Yurrrop, you know).
Also never heard of the stockpiled, ready in 45 minutes, Iraqi WMDs though.

PB.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
To be fair: the world had a good laugh whe Dubya fought the deadly pretzel, though of course he didn't break his kneecap.

Nah, the truly amusing one, where nobody was harmed (not really anyway), was when Bush Senior vomited on the Japanese dude.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Unlike you I don't judge people on my terms, so naturally I don't follow that short-sighted route of logic.

What terms do you use to judge people? According to what standard? Castro is a communist dictator, and according to his standards, there's nothing wrong with that or any of the murderous behavior that has characterized his regime. But objectively speaking, he has done terrible things.

Is this conversation really happening? We're talking about Fidel Castro, people. Who has the audacity not to wish this man ill? If you don't wish him ill, what are your premises?

[Logic]

Originally posted by awcopus:
Is this conversation really happening? We're talking about Fidel Castro, people. Who has the audacity not to wish this man ill? If you don't wish him ill, what are your premises?

I don't wish ill upon people. Especially not elders.

And stop believing all the propaganda being spread.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by Powerbook:
I've never heard of willfully impoverished, tortured or murdered millions of humans in Cuba. And I live in the informed part of the world (Yurrrop, you know).
Also never heard of the stockpiled, ready in 45 minutes, Iraqi WMDs though.

PB.

He's been in power for decades. The numbers add up. But honestly, what if he had only done this to 500,000 people, or 10,000 people, or 200 people..... a single human being. The scale of death he has wrought makes his rule more grotesque, but doesn't actually have much to do with the moral point: no person has the right to initiate force against another.

Curiously, many people in Europe have always had a kind of romantic notion of Castro and his Cuba. Cuba is seen by some as "the underdog", thumbing its nose at the U.S.A., ... or as an idealistic state. This is simply not the case. You could be better informed.

btw, I oppose the U.S. war in Iraq. But that doesn't mean Fidel Castro doesn't deserve any and all terrible things that can befall a human being.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Come on people, Castro is ‘dictator lite’. He’s a more ‘sensitive’ dictator. You can’t be critical of him. As long as you dole out the ‘free’ healthcare, pave a few roads every few decades, make a few speeches gabbing about your great socialist utopian ideas designed to seduce the useful idiots of the world, and have the blessing of Jimmy Carter and Hollywood celebrity nitwits, then your actual track record of torture, murder, human rights violations on a massive scale, and glaring lack of freedoms in your country etc. can be swept under the rug and dismissed.

Unfortunately for the world, Saddam Hussein was robbed of his chance to be granted ‘dictator lite’ status. A real crime against humanity.

Get with it folks. Dictator ‘lite’ … it’s a viable alternative to that whole ‘freedom’ thing.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by awcopus:
He's been in power for decades. The numbers add up. But honestly, what if he had only done this to 500,000 people, or 10,000 people, or 200 people..... a single human being. The scale of death he has wrought makes his rule more grotesque, but doesn't actually have much to do with the moral point: no person has the right to initiate force against another.

Curiously, many people in Europe have always had a kind of romantic notion of Castro and his Cuba. Cuba is seen by some as "the underdog", thumbing its nose at the U.S.A., ... or as an idealistic state. This is simply not the case. You could be better informed.

btw, I oppose the U.S. war in Iraq. But that doesn't mean Fidel Castro doesn't deserve any and all terrible things that can befall a human being.

Wait, so its not okay to use force against another human but its okay to torture/kill those who do?

[wdlove]

He is a human being, so I wish him a speedy recovery. His life is up to his maker.

[awcopus]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Wait, so its not okay to use force against another human but its okay to torture/kill those who do?

Wait, from your perspective people who torture/kill are the moral equivalent of those who go about their lives peacefully?

If you say Castro doesn't deserve to die for all the murdering he's responsible for, you are saying that the lives he has taken had no value, that his actions had no consequences worth evaluating, that he and those like him should not be judged. Are you Christian? "Judge not that ye be not judged." Or are you just a moral relativist: "A murderer's life is as valuable as a peaceful person's life."

My stance is: judge, and be prepared to be judged. In my judgement, a murderer has abdicated his right to life. Doesn't necessarily mean he must be killed, but it does mean at the very least that he no longer owns his life (i.e., has the right to do with it as he would choose).

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
Come on people, Castro is ‘dictator lite’. He’s a more ‘sensitive’ dictator. You can’t be critical of him. As long as you dole out the ‘free’ healthcare, pave a few roads every few decades, make a few speeches gabbing about your great socialist utopian ideas designed to seduce the useful idiots of the world, and have the blessing of Jimmy Carter and Hollywood celebrity nitwits, then your actual track record of torture, murder, human rights violations on a massive scale, and glaring lack of freedoms in your country etc. can be swept under the rug and dismissed.

Unfortunately for the world, Saddam Hussein was robbed of his chance to be granted ‘dictator lite’ status. A real crime against humanity.

Get with it folks. Dictator ‘lite’ … it’s a viable alternative to that whole ‘freedom’ thing.

Qaddafi is "dictator lite" as well. But now that he is playing well with the West no one seems to be pressing him on "that whole 'freedom' thing". So, how do you feel about Qaddafi?

[Logic]

Originally posted by dcmacdaddy:
Qaddafi is "dictator lite" as well. But now that he is playing well with the West no one seems to be pressing him on "that whole 'freedom' thing". So, how do you feel about Qaddafi?

Or Musharaf, the Royal Saudi Family, and the list goes on. A few notables from the history are The Shah, Pinochet and Castro's predecessor Batista.

[PacHead]

Castro needs to die. The old fogey has been at it for far too long.

Dictators suck. All dictators suck. And anybody who defends dictators, such as a few warped people here are attempting also suck.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Castro needs to die. The old fogey has been at it for far too long.

Dictators suck. All dictators suck. And anybody who defends dictators, such as a few warped people here are attempting also suck.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
. . . . . .

The saudi royals suck too.

[piGGy jacket]

To the people concerned about the poverty and such in Cuba, blame the U.S. If it wasn't for the U.S. embargo they would be better off.

Millions of dead? The island must be nearly uninhabited by now!

Propaganda works on the weak and feeble minded.





ps...Didn't Bush state he wanted to be DICTATOR?

[LegendaryPinkOx]

Originally posted by piGGy jacket:
ps...Didn't Bush state he wanted to be DICTATOR?

Wheather he knew what he was saying or not, I wouldn't be surprised.

A coworker of mine is from Cuba. Hes a cool guy, has a stockpile of Cuban Cohibas too . But he never spoke poorly about Castro. Most of the poverty down there is caused by the American embargo.

Which is better? A Dictator who keeps to himself for the past 51 years, or an elected president who sends over 1,000 American soldiers to their death and kills over 12,000 Iraqis in the past four?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Logic:
I find it very sad that people here are amused because an old man fell and broke his knee cap and arm. What sad excuses for human beings................

Amused?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
To be fair: the world had a good laugh whe Dubya fought the deadly pretzel, though of course he didn't break his kneecap.

\
Not only that, people were HOPING he would have choked and died.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:

Yeah and the man that visited Clinton the most in the 8 years he was in office was the Terrorist himself Arafat.

It wasn't just a handshake.

[piGGy jacket]

You know...that one little pretzel could have sent the world down a whole nother timeline.

One little pretzel!!!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by piGGy jacket:
You know...that one little pretzel could have sent the world down a whole nother timeline.

One little pretzel!!!

Yes, it could be a lot worse than it is now.

[LegendaryPinkOx]

The world needs more pretzels dammit!

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by PacHead:
The saudi royals suck too.

But you said that people who defend dictators suck, so Bush sucks too!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by KarlG:
But you said that people who defend dictators suck, so Bush sucks too!

Ok, time to get off of this thread. I'm getting a bit dizzy.

[piGGy jacket]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes, it could be a lot worse than it is now.

Yeah that potato/potatoe guy...Oh my God!!!

[Toutgood]

This thread could end with a few words from El Che:

Cruel leaders are replaced only to have new leaders turn cruel! - Ernesto Che Guevara