[Landos Mustache]

"A Washington state school district has banned Halloween parties during the school day because it says children dressed up as goblins and witches take time away from learning, officials said Thursday."

"Other U.S. schools have banned Halloween festivities because some families don't celebrate it for religious reasons and other cannot afford costumes."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/10...eut/index.html

So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

[Eriamjh]

Is this the one that banned them because it doesn't want to offend the Wiccans?

http://www.clickondetroit.com/educat...71/detail.html

[TheBadgerHunter]

They banned it during school hours. As for the wiccan thing how would you like it if pictures of republicans portrayed small penises or something?

[DeathToWindows]

[t6hawk]

This is kinda old news. They were doing this a few years ago too.

[Xeo]

The majority does not celebrate halloween for any religious reason. It's just supposed to be fun. Kids need a day of fun instead of school. Are they banning Valentine's Day parties too?

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by Xeo:
The majority does not celebrate halloween for any religious reason. It's just supposed to be fun. Kids need a day of fun instead of school. Are they banning Valentine's Day parties too?

Repeat after me: During school hours.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Repeat after me: During school hours.

Ya we get that. You think we thought that it is banned even when you are at home?

[Scifience]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ya we get that. You think we thought that it is banned even when you are at home?

Of course we do! Didn't you know that the teachers come around and patrol the streets to make sure that none of their students are participating in the Halloween festivities?

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ya we get that. You think we thought that it is banned even when you are at home?

So you knew that and made a big fuss out of it?

[CreepingDeth]

They're phasing out Christmas too.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Repeat after me: During school hours.

Yes, but are they banning Valentine's Day and Christmas parties during school hours? The primary argument is that children dressed up as goblins and witches take time away from learning. Would not passing around little pink hearts and celebrating the birth of the Christian god also take time away from learning?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
"Other U.S. schools have banned Halloween festivities because some families ... cannot afford costumes."

Cannot afford costumes? Has anyone looked at the price of costumes these days? I just bought an amazing costume for my 3yr old from Walmart for $15 CANADIAN. That's practically FREE in American dollars! And only 10 days before Halloween.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Cannot afford costumes? Has anyone looked at the price of costumes these days? I just bought an amazing costume for my 3yr old from Walmart for $15 CANADIAN. That's practically FREE in American dollars! And only 10 days before Halloween.

An value village an those types. They sell new an used costumes for practically nothing.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Yes, but are they banning Valentine's Day and Christmas parties during school hours? The primary argument is that children dressed up as goblins and witches take time away from learning. Would not passing around little pink hearts and celebrating the birth of the Christian god also take time away from learning?

Not the same. Costumes and the such tend to distract more. And last the whole day.

[Kilbey]

Yet another religious post started by a non-religious person.

Why do you guys do it?

If you are so against religion why do you want to talk about religious things?

Oh yeah, I know, you're just anti-Christian.

[cold_reality]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:

So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

As poor as our education is, anytime taken away from learnin ain't helpin the lil under achievers. Also theres a blitzkrieg of political correctness. This reminds me of atheists makin a big "ta-do" over the 10 commandments infront of government buildins.

"Oh God!! (not that I believe in a God), there are these ugly tablets with commandments from a judeo-christian "God." "I pay my taxes and the site of this thing offends me...TAKE IT DOWN"

And now the reverse is being done...its censorship 101

[cold_reality]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Not the same. Costumes and the such tend to distract more. And last the whole day.

Very true. Valentines Day is just handing stuff out (takes bout 10-15mins tops), and there is no class on Christmas.
Halloween is the "party holiday", usually with games and stuff. Add in the costumes and it can become a pretty hecktick/chaotic day.

[Xeo]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Repeat after me: During school hours.

"During school hours."

Nope, didn't change a thing. I still think it's stupid.

Kilbey, as I tried to point out in my post, Halloween is not religious, at least for the purposes the masses celebrate it as. Why are you blabbing on about non-religious people posting religious threads when this isn't an instance of that?

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
"A Washington state school district has banned Halloween parties during the school day because it says children dressed up as goblins and witches take time away from learning, officials said Thursday."

yes, because one single f*ckin day makes that much of a difference.

...in other news, school-kids still bored to death by a completely inefficient school system which was devised roughly 150 years ago.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Xeo:
Kilbey, as I tried to point out in my post, Halloween is not religious, at least for the purposes the masses celebrate it as. Why are you blabbing on about non-religious people posting religious threads when this isn't an instance of that?

Yes but the reason he posted it was because he thought it was.

So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

So Kilbey's post was spot on.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes but the reason he posted it was because he thought it was.

Do you read palms as well?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by cold_reality:
... there is no class on Christmas ...

And you don't think that takes time away from learning? Nevermind all the in-school parties before the Christmas day-off

I've nothing against the infrequent distraction from learning, but apparently others do.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Xeo:
Kilbey, as I tried to point out in my post, Halloween is not religious, at least for the purposes the masses celebrate it as. Why are you blabbing on about non-religious people posting religious threads when this isn't an instance of that?

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Do you read palms as well?

I don't think he can, but I think he has a good grasp of the obvious.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Do you read palms as well?

Don't have to. I'm just a master of the obvious.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Yet another religious post started by a non-religious person.

Why do you guys do it?

If you are so against religion why do you want to talk about religious things?

Oh yeah, I know, you're just anti-Christian.

this thread is only as religious as you want it to be.



EDIT: looks like i came late to this party

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:


EDIT: looks like i came late to this party

Yup. Or else you missed the religion slam in the original post.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Yup. Or else you missed the religion slam in the original post.

looks more like a politically correct slam to me. inkblot stands.

AS IN- a slam on political-correctness.

[Zimphire]

Yes, the article is about PC. I don't think the SWF really got what the article was about. But instead projected his own meaning. It had nothing to do with belief in God.

[d4nth3m4n]

is this the line that has you two all up in a bunch??

So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

cos if it is, i really fail to see whats so horrible about that, in fact, i think hes pretty right on.

[Zimphire]

No panties in a bunch. None.

I was just commenting on Kilbey's post.

And no, that isn't what the article is about.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No panties in a bunch. None.

I was just commenting on Kilbey's post.

And no, that isn't what the article is about.

yup, i still think kilbey jumped the gun on the religion thing.

though the article isn't about this per se, i do think that that statement was still legit.

to the two of you- just let SWG be SWG he's not out to get you... all the time.

[Zimphire]

We really don't know what he thinks because he is usually purposely nondescript when he posts threads like this. Usually posting the thread starter, and not saying another word throughout the thread.

So one, by his very small part in this thread has to guess as to what he is complaining about.

[d4nth3m4n]

im not going to get into a conversation about what SWG does or does not think.

im just saying that other than the word "god" there was nothing really religious about this.

that and kilbey is hyper-sensitive to this crap.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
that and kilbey is hyper-sensitive to this crap.

He probably wouldn't be if it didn't happen so darn much in this thread, usually by the same person/people.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He probably wouldn't be if it didn't happen so darn much in this thread, usually by the same person/people.

he brought it up.

whatever, im not going to have a conversation about what kilbey thinks either.

[Zimphire]

d4th.. if the SWF wouldn't post so many dang anti-religious posts, Kilbey wouldn't have assumed he did it in this thread.

As a matter of fact, I think the SWF purposely posts this way so he doesn't have to back up his "Stance"

He isn't a very good debater. Just posts and runs . Some people call this "trolling"

Anyhow back on topic.

There is nothing wrong with banning Halloween from schools if it was disrupting the education process. Which is why they are in school in the first place .

It's not like they can't go trick or treating.

Halloween isn't that important.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
d4th.. if the SWF wouldn't post so many dang anti-religious posts, Kilbey wouldn't have assumed he did it in this thread.

As a matter of fact, I think the SWF purposely posts this way so he doesn't have to back up his "Stance"

He isn't a very good debater. Just posts and runs . Some people call this "trolling"

EXACTLY.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
he brought it up.

whatever, im not going to have a conversation about what kilbey thinks either.

You clearly just don't grasp the obvious.

I think Zimphire summed it up nicely.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You clearly just don't grasp the obvious.

I think he pretty much understood what I said. In the end, we pretty much came to the same conclusion.

d4nth3m for the most part is a pretty smart fellah.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
d4nth3m for the most part is a pretty smart fellah.

thanks. i just try to keep it non partisan.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You clearly just don't grasp the obvious.

I think Zimphire summed it up nicely.

bear with me on this one here kilb.-

SWG said-
So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

here, let me sum up what he said as i interpret it-

why cant the west (america in particular) make its own identity instead of always walking this tightrope of political correctness. we are always accommodating special interests and its getting ridiculous.

see? no use of the word "god" but same concept. now go find a real fight.

[TheBadgerHunter]

A good clue is that he used "immigrants" and that god is the prevalent religion in the US and has been.. well forever.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
bear with me on this one here kilb.-


here, let me sum up what he said as i interpret it-

why cant the west (america in particular) make its own identity instead of always walking this tightrope of political correctness. we are always accommodating special interests and its getting ridiculous.

see? no use of the word "god" but same concept. now go find a real fight.

Alright Dan.

That would have been great if he had used those words and not implied that people who believe in God were the ones responsible.

See? He used "god". Not "political correctness" or "special interests". Must be great knowing how to read minds. Especially that of a gay Canadian.

Learn how to fight.

[Zimphire]

I wouldn't have thought otherwise had he not had a habit of making anti-religious posts on a regular basis. He usually posts the first post. Then doesn't post again. Or if he does it's sparingly.

And it was about due for another.

It's like cash with car threads, Demon with "picture" threads, or me with lame threads everyone makes fun of.

It's a given.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Alright Dan.

That would have been great if he had used those words and not implied that people who believe in God were the ones responsible.

isnt it safe to assume that your religion would be the main one that forces other religions to believe in other gods? youre the majority here. there is no issue.

Learn how to fight.

noted. dont know if you're necessarily the one i'll be drawing pointers from though.

and as far as you two jumping on swg for his posts in the past- that's just silly™, take the thread at face value and roll with it. wait for him to say something (for real) and then jump on it. or be the bigger man and leave it alone, you're obviously not going to covert him.

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[Xeo]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Alright Dan.

That would have been great if he had used those words and not implied that people who believe in God were the ones responsible.

See? He used "god". Not "political correctness" or "special interests". Must be great knowing how to read minds. Especially that of a gay Canadian.

Learn how to fight.

No, he wasn't blaming the religious. He was actually slamming the fact that people are trying to remove everything that is even remotely religious.

So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to ignore all that because someone immigrated or believes in another god?

My take:

"So is the west allowed to have a culture of its own or do they have to be incredibly boring so they don't step over the religion boundary."

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
iand as far as you two jumping on swg for his posts in the past- that's just silly™,

Yeah it was, while I am sure I know what his intent was, I should really just ignore it.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Xeo:
No, he wasn't blaming the religious. He was actually slamming the fact that people are trying to remove everything that is even remotely religious.

Xeo, if that is the case, it would be a first time for him.