[macintologist]

Whenever I go to the Apple switch site, it very much reminds me of rightwing propaganda (aka Zimphire ). It's filled with lies and distortions of the truth. Apple only tells one side of the story, making it blatant propaganda.

Lets look at some of the top 10 reasons to switch to mac.

1. The Mac...it just works.
What Apple fails to mention are kernel panics, as well as that fatal bug in Panther where the whole computer freezes up except for the mouse . Also, what about iBooks with the logic board failures , and fail even after they have been "fixed" ? And Powermac G5s that fail to boot out of the box? What about the crappy Finder? And Firewire devices that fail to mount in Panther? Even Apple's own Quicktime can make your Mac unusable! The Mac does not "just work" like the Apple bozos want you to believe, who will go at all lengths to produce propaganda that convinces the masses of things that are not true.

2. It doesn't crash
BULLSH*T Even Apple's most prestigious computer, the Powermac G5 crashes, even sometimes from a mouse beachball.
Apple is, once again, telling a blatant lie.

9. Works effortlessly with PCs
Oh really?
Apparently not everyone has it easy

1. Can I run Microsoft Office?
Yes. Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac OS X gives you Word, PowerPoint and Excel, all with the same familiar interfaces.

Yet again, what Apple fails to mention is that Microsoft Access does not come on the Mac, thus distorting the truth when claiming that Office is on the Mac. That is a half truth, and Apple propaganda at its finest.

Apple also exaggerates the 3d Graphics of the iMac.

And then there’s the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM. It’s a combination that delivers unparalleled 2D and 3D graphics performance and an immersive, photorealistic gaming experience with three times the frame rate of previous-generation processors.

This is a complete distortion of the truth. Apple is feeding us this propaganda in hoping that we accept their subpar 3d hardware they include in the G5 iMac. Additionally, Apple outright lies about the speed of the 3d hardware and uses fake statistic numbers to boost its image, as well as enforce gestapo-like policies to crush dissent among the Mac community, even if they areright. Unfortunately, Apple propaganda has been effective in making many owners of the iMac delusional about the speed of its 3d graphics. I oppose such brainwashing.

This is what Apple says about gaming on the Mac

Power Mac G5
Featuring blazing-fast liquid cooled 64-bit dual processors and supercharged with the optimized Velocity Engine, this configuration is truly the ultimate game machine.

What Apple fails to mention is that not only are there tiny fraction of games on the Mac compared to the Windows PC, but that many game ports on the Mac are not as optimized as on the PC and that there are a number of 3d graphics boards that are not available on the Mac such as the ATI Radeon XT800 with 256MB vram, additionally Mac users are treated as 2nd class citizens in the gaming world and are forced to pay a lot more for the same piece of hardware as a PC user.

Apple is also extremely arrogant and doesn't listen to its customers.

Apple screws over its .Mac customers

Apple's propaganda causes many Mac users to believe that Macs are immune to security breaches, which is blatantly false

So the bottom line is, I call on Apple to be HONEST, to not LIE and DISTORT the TRUTH about its products and dupe all of us! I say we take a stand now!

[MindFad]

FOUR MORE YEARS.





Oh, sorry.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Whenever I go to the Apple switch site, it very much reminds me of rightwing propaganda. It's filled with lies and distortions of the truth. Apple only tells one side of the story, making it blatant propaganda.

Yes, I don't see why they can't control themselves! Making everything political and all when it has nothing to do with politics. It makes them look like zealous morons.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Every other company is 100% honest in their advertising.

[ambush]

Originally posted by MindFad:
FOUR MORE YEARS.





Oh, sorry.

LOL

But I agree on his points...

OSX does crash. Sorry. It didn't on 10.2 tho.

[Luca Rescigno]

OS X does just work though. At least, it "just works" better than my PC, which I'm having problems with. My WinXP CD doesn't even have SP1 on it, and apparently MS decided that they wouldn't add 48 bit LBA support until SP1. So it thinks my 200 GB hard drive is only 130 GB, even though it's on a SATA controller. I have to make a small partition for installing the OS, leaving the rest of the space unpartitioned. Then once I install all the updates, I can format the rest of the space on the hard drive and use it for storing things. It's a pain in the ass that would never have been a problem on a Mac.

There are ways in which Windows is better and there are ways in which Mac OS is better. Many of those things Apple mentions are exaggerations of course, but they're generally correct in some sense. Macs are a lot easier to set up and maintain.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes, I don't see why they can't control themselves! Making everything political and all when it has nothing to do with politics. It makes them look like zealous morons.

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by ambush:
OSX does crash. Sorry. It didn't on 10.2 tho.

Compared to OS 9, it doesn't crash at all.
I've had one kernel panic, ever, and that was while playing an early beta of a game.
A day without a restart on OS 9 was a day I wasn't using my computer.

[MacMan4000]

WHO CARES?!

[gerbnl]

[macintologist]

Originally posted by MacMan4000:
WHO CARES?!

Do you appreciate Apple systematically lying to you? For example, what if you were one of the first 15" AlBook owners, and Apple systematically pumped you with hype about the Powerbook, only for you to find out that you have a whitespot. Doesn't that make Apple propaganda wrong?

[MindFad]

Originally posted by ambush:
LOL

But I agree on his points...

OSX does crash. Sorry. It didn't on 10.2 tho.

I will agree on the iMac graphics.

Panther has crashed twice for me since I began using it when it came out. Since I began using OS X with the release of Jaguar, I've had 5 actual crashes—two mystery freezes (which were just WindowServer, I think) and 3 actual kernel panics (one in Jaguar, two in Panther, one of which was from a Firewire drive, I believe; actually, I think all of them involved devices). So I guess I've just had better luck.

As AKcrab said, it's nothing compared to the OS 9 days. If I went a day without rebooting, I obviously wasn't doing a whole lot or was very, very lucky.

Apple has its quirks, as does OS X, but I couldn't imagine working in Windows full-time. For 3-D work, sure, but not for much else. Something as simple as file management and navigation, dragging and dropping, and working with multiple apps at once I can't stand in Windows. I feel restricted when I'm on a Windows box. I seem to work much faster on my Mac and get more done. And things just work.

[macintologist]

Originally posted by MindFad:
I will agree on the iMac graphics.

Panther has crashed twice for me since I began using it when it came out. Since I began using OS X with the release of Jaguar, I've had 5 actual crashes—two mystery freezes (which were just WindowServer, I think) and 3 actual kernel panics (one in Jaguar, two in Panther, one of which was from a Firewire drive, I believe; actually, I think all of them involved devices). So I guess I've just had better luck.

As AKcrab said, it's nothing compared to the OS 9 days. If I went a day without rebooting, I obviously wasn't doing a whole lot or was very, very lucky.

Apple has its quirks, as does OS X, but I couldn't imagine working in Windows full-time. For 3-D work, sure, but not for much else. Something as simple as file management and navigation, dragging and dropping, and working with multiple apps at once I can't stand in Windows. I feel restricted when I'm on a Windows box. I seem to work much faster on my Mac and get more done. And things just work.

Yes of course, Windows sucks. But Apple can do better. For one, they can stop feeding us lies and distortions of the truth about their products.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Why should Apple be honest when not a single company in the industry is?

[Toutgood]

I would seriously be interested in seeing a website/campaign of this kind. Something that will make some noise, arouse the interest of the mainstream press and force Apple to acknowledge some of the problems.

For those who scoff, the hard freeze issue is HUGE for me. This is not a kernel panic, it's an unresolved serious issue in the OS that is causing many users a lot of grief- go check out the thread in the OS X forum. There have been numerous threads in the Apple discussion forum. Has Apple even acknowledged it?

I get more stable (less crashing) performance out of my shitty windows xp box now, that I absolutely hate. That's just sad.

I totally understand that I have a choice here, but I guess I'm suprised just the same.

[ringo]

I've had four kernel panics in the last three years on my mac, the cause of these is still a mystery to me. My main XP box has bluescreened twice during the same span, both times because of a hardware issue. Still, I'd install OS X over XP any day if I could install OS X on anything instead of just Apple's limited selection of hardware.

[bradoesch]

Who cares, Apple is dying.

[mitchell_pgh]

Oh no... advertising using propaganda!!!!

What's the phone number for 911?

[Beewee]

Did you know that $100 sneakers DON'T make you run faster or jump higher?

That the bottom chips in a can of Pringles are mostly broken crumbs?! (Lying commercials)

And that there is no mosturizin creame that will make you look years younger?

And now this apple stuff?! OH MY GOD!

...I'm shocked.

[Toutgood]

Hey for some of us, it comes down to getting work done. I love OS X, the gui, Apple's hardware. I really do. But the freezes mean I just want to work less on my mac. If you all don't care, fine.

[effgee]

Originally posted by macintologist:
holey moley ... *snip*

yes, yess, yesss, yessss ...

• 

[PJW]

Originally posted by macintologist:
So the bottom line is, I call on Apple to be HONEST, to not LIE and DISTORT the TRUTH about its products and dupe all of us! I say we take a stand now!

So you would like Apple to advertise the problems with their products? That's just ****ing GENIUS.

I've got news for you. Most companies tend to gloss over the problems that their products have in order to -are you ready for this?- SELL MORE PRODUCTS.

[macintologist]

Originally posted by PJW:
So you would like Apple to advertise the problems with their products? That's just ****ing GENIUS.

I've got news for you. Most companies tend to gloss over the problems that their products have in order to -are you ready for this?- SELL MORE PRODUCTS.

Let me ask you: Do you think it's right for Apple to say Mac don't crash when in fact they do? How is this ethical in any way?

[effgee]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Let me ask you: Do you think it's right for Apple to say Mac don't crash when in fact they do? How is this ethical in any way?

In that sense - is it right for a car company not to put a warning in all of their advertising that eventually the car will break down. Is it right for a telephone company not to put a warning in their advertising that one day you will find yourself without service for a couple of hours? ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ... etc. ...

[nredman]

Originally posted by MindFad:
FOUR MORE YEARS.





Oh, sorry.

[MacMan4000]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Do you appreciate Apple systematically lying to you? For example, what if you were one of the first 15" AlBook owners, and Apple systematically pumped you with hype about the Powerbook, only for you to find out that you have a whitespot. Doesn't that make Apple propaganda wrong?

no. this was last weeks lesson in my english class (im not even joking, it really was). Advertisers, ALL advertisers, sit down and ask themselves, "how much propaganda can we cram into this ad without making it TOO obvious?"

If you really care that much, I can scan the handout about propaganda techniques and post a link here.

But seriously, every ad you have ever laid eyes on (since about 1980) has had propaganda in it somewhere.

get over it.

[businezguy]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes, I don't see why they can't control themselves! Making everything political and all when it has nothing to do with politics. It makes them look like zealous morons.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Do you appreciate Apple systematically lying to you? For example, what if you were one of the first 15" AlBook owners, and Apple systematically pumped you with hype about the Powerbook, only for you to find out that you have a whitespot. Doesn't that make Apple propaganda wrong?

No.

They promised me a flawless 12" Powerbook, but when I got mine, it had the "ripple" problem on the LCD.

I called them up, and a week later (this was in March last year), I had a brand new, intact one - and could continue working on the first until I'd transferred everything over.

I have no problem with receiving a defective machine if the company is immaculate about organizing a flawless replacement.

They are currently replacing all affected 15" LCDs free of charge.

So on that particular point, disagree entirely.

-s*

[The Godfather]

Originally posted by MindFad:
FOUR MORE YEARS.





Oh, sorry.

Somebody call Michael Moore.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by The Godfather:
Somebody call Michael Moore.

Hey, c'mon, it was pretty damn funny.

[CharlesS]

To the video card/gaming points, I agree.

To the rest of it:

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:

At least someone got it.

[Link]

You know, it's funny but I can agree about a lot of these points. The iMac is a sad showing of video hardware and the amount of small, annoying bugs in OS 10.3 can be irritating, especially the lookupd issue.

However, they don't USUALLY describe the experience you'll get -- they're problems apple had better solve with 10.4, which should have been fixed in 10.3 in the first place (the software ones, that is).

[hardcat1970]

if you are a mac loyal fan, you don't need to take those s**t from apple. All i know is mac can give me a better and consistent result when i work as a graphic designer and a prepress operator. And for them to persuade windows users, what is wrong with that? Who would maintains 100% honesty in advertising anyway?

I think if someone want to choose a mac, they should based on what they need and what they love.

[ReggieX]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Do you appreciate Apple systematically lying to you?

Funny, I don't recall ever believing anything Apple's ads said in the first place.

[Kilbey]

If Apple pisses you off, quit buying Macs.

It's really quite simple.

On Topic:

My eMac has never crashed or had a program quit on me. I must be lucky.

It just works.

And it works effortlessly with PCs. Except their viruses. It won't run them. (But my wife has tried.)

[Rev-O]

You mean Apple's been lying to me? To ME?

I'm devestated. Really. I thought Apple and I had a relationship based on... well... trust. Honesty. Openess.

Shoulda know better. Smooth talking Apple with their come ons. "Oh, it doesn't crash. Oh, it works with wondows. Hey, it's a smokin' gaming machine. It just works."

Man. This hurts. This really hurts.
Makes me feel cheap. A whore. A stupid consumer whore. Yah, I was Apple's booty call. Apple comes waltzing in, full of promises just so they can hammer me like a pork cutlet. I got used. Used bad. Betrayed.

Jesus. Doesn't Apple know I have commitment issues? Doesn't Apple know how hard it was for me to open up? To trust? I freakin' bared my soul to Apple and this is what I get?! I promised I wouldn't use other operating systems. I freakin' promised! And Apple... lying smarmy mouthed Apple... said I wouldn't need to. Said "It just works. It doesn't crash."

Lies. All freakin' lies! LIES! Damn you Apple and your lies!

[Link]

Ya know, the funny thing is apple doesn't market *ENOUGH*. Every company exaggerates on the truth, though, apple is no exception.

I have, and probably will keep buying apple hardware for the purposes I bought it in the first place -- high end multiple use machines. Windows is either good for CAD, 3d rendering, or games, you pick one or the other -- it also happens to be good at being cheap.

OS X makes a more graceful jack of all trades. It's not the answer to everything, and god forbid it's not perfect, but damn it's good

[itistoday]

Yeah... I use Windows XP Pro, Debian Linux, and OS X on a daily basis. OS X beats them all—_bar-none_

I haven't had a kernel panic in over a year, and I haven't had to re-install in several years. I guess I just know how to keep my mac healthy. Maybe some people really do have genuine problems that aren't caused through any fault of their own, however, these problems exist on every platform, and they are much fewer in frequency on the Mac platform (percentage wise too!).

If you think Apple is evil, then you need to 1) Have your head re-examined, and 2) Go off to your friendly, angelic folks at Microsoft, who never lie, or deceave you at all.

If you think Macs are bad, then please, spare us all your rants and go buy yourself a Dell. I'm sure you'll be much happier there.

[theolein]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Do you appreciate Apple systematically lying to you? For example, what if you were one of the first 15" AlBook owners, and Apple systematically pumped you with hype about the Powerbook, only for you to find out that you have a whitespot. Doesn't that make Apple propaganda wrong?

Oh Jebus, how old are you????? You don't recognise an advertising campaign when it stares you in the face? You must have an awful time coping with that marvel of technology known as email every time you get one of those messages telling you your penis will grow 10" in a day and that all your money problems are solved.

You are incredibly naive. As an example, I go to the Dell™ website, here in Switzerland, and click until I get to the Inspiron_TM_1150 notebook, which they advertise for 1199 Swiss Francs. I click on the "configure & Order" button, and BOOM, suddenly the same laptop costs 1343 Swiss Francs, before tax, and 1445 Swiss Francs after tax.

THEY LIED TO ME, THE BASTARDS!!!!!

They must be in league with Apple.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by itistoday:
If you think Macs are bad, then please, spare us all your rants and go buy yourself a Dell. I'm sure you'll be much happier there.

Dude, you're getting a Dell.

[PJW]

Originally posted by macintologist:
Let me ask you: Do you think it's right for Apple to say Mac don't crash when in fact they do? How is this ethical in any way?

I don't care about it one way or another, because I, like most of the people in the world, realize that when a company tells me something about their product, they are going to put it in the best light possible so they'll get me to buy it.

Do you want Apple to do a commercial with a frank, heart-to-heart discussion with the American consumer about the positives and negatives of their products? If you are, I wouldn't hold your breath, because it's not ****ing happening. If they focus on the negatives, then they lose sales, which is bad business. It's exactly why you never hear politicians talk about the mistakes they've made. If they did that, they'd lose votes.

I don't think this is right, but I also think that you need to take some responsibility for yourself. If you're dumb enough to believe everything Apple tells you about their product, then you deserve to lose your money.

[macaddict0001]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Why should Apple be honest when not a single company in the industry is?

because this guy has an overly inflated opinion of apple(see username)and is therefore expecting apple to live up to his expectations.

[macintologist]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Dude, you're getting a Dell.

Never!

[Angus_D]

Actually, Apple has had its wrists slapped by the ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) here in the UK for being misleading several times (for example that G5 advert which said it was the "world's fastest, most powerful desktop computer", when in fact it was found in independent tests to only be "generally as fast" as those by other manufacturers).

To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen Apple claim that OS X doesn't crash. I have a good laugh at the whole Industrial Strength UNIX thing, but then I take all marketing with a pinch of salt.

And yes, there have been several high-profile, widespread hardware issues. These are things that Apple certainly needs to address -- when you're paying through the nose, you expect good build quality and rigorous testing, both of which have been somewhat absent in recent years. This isn't a problem specific to Apple, it's just that we hold it to higher standards - and rightly so, given its self-cultivated image.

[Toutgood]

Originally posted by Angus_D:
To be fair, I don't think I've ever seen Apple claim that OS X doesn't crash.

#2

[Angus_D]

Originally posted by Toutgood:
#2

Well, that sucks.

[macintologist]

To those who question my loyalty.... I am a TRUE Mac fanatic, because I give criticism where criticism is due and not blindly follow the Apple manifesto like a lot of you.

Apple is higher than the rest of the industry. When you subscribe to the Mac, you are subscribing to an ideology.

Apple should not be misleading potential converts into an ideology on false premises. Lying to people to get them to subscribe to ideology is unethical and WRONG!

[Spliffdaddy]

heh. In bold print, too.

#2 It doesn't crash

[turtle777]

Haha, funny, this thread just cheered me up !



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