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Jef Raskin is a poo poo head!
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Oct 25, 2004, 11:24 AM
 
Seriously, what is this guy always bitching about but not offering any amazing solutions. His idea of a computer is being able to type whenever you want without having to fire up a program. Uh, ya, that is what we all want.

Talk time: Jef Raskin

Jef Raskin was one of the creators of the Mac and invented the click-and-drag interface

Interviewed by Jason Walsh
Thursday October 21, 2004
The Guardian

Perhaps the longest surviving legacy of your original design is its "appliance" nature. Has this simplicity of design been key to the Mac's popularity?

Yes, but unfortunately, the Mac is now a mess. A third party manual (Pogue's The Missing Manual) is nearly 1,000 pages, and far from complete. Apple now does development by accretion, and there is only a little difference between using a Mac and a Windows machine.

How do you rate today's Mac user interface?

My original vision is outdated and irrelevant. The principles of putting people first, and designing from the interface to the software and hardware, are as vital today as they were then.

And the iMac G5? Was the original iMac a step on the correct path?

The unfoldable portable-shaped box on a stalk? It is a practical and space-saving design. But the interface needs fixing. One only cares about getting something done. Apple has forgotten this key concept. The beautiful packaging is ho-hum and insignificant in the long run.

It seems the culmination of your work would be a computer invisible to the user; operating systems would disappear and applications would take on functionality as required.

Or a computer interface that, while not invisible, would not require conscious attention. [Bill Atkinson's] Hypercard did not have the properties to make its use unconscious. It was wonderful in many ways, however, and it would have been wise to keep it working on Apple's newer systems.

Has there been progress in computing over the past 20 years, or has it been a pointless chase of increasing power and complexity?

There has been immense progress, primarily in the richness of applications. But all this power is lost on many people, and impedes the utility of it for the rest, because of the unnecessary complexity of using computers.

The quest for CPU power has been largely defeated by bloated software in applications and operating systems. Some programs I wrote in Basic on an Apple II ran faster than when written in a modern language on a G4 Dual-processor Mac with hardware 1,000 times faster.

The Macintosh changed the public's perception of computers. Are you proud of this?

I am only a footnote, but proud of the footnote I have become. My subsequent work - on eliciting principles and developing the theory of interface design, so that many people will be able to do what I did - is probably also footnote-worthy. In looking back at this turn-of-the-century period, the rise of a worldwide network will be seen as the most significant part of the computer revolution.

Gadgets?

My favourite is a Garrett Wade knife sharpener made out of a block of tungsten carbide. On the net, I search for sites when I need specific information. When my son wanted to know what camera to buy, I read camera review sites; to find a bush for our garden, I looked up gardening sites. I treasure the wide scope of the web.

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Oct 25, 2004, 11:26 AM
 
I found Jef on the lawn this morning...

     
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Oct 25, 2004, 11:29 AM
 

Creepy?
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Oct 25, 2004, 11:44 AM
 
yeah he's just bitter because apple doesn't want/need him.

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Oct 25, 2004, 11:56 AM
 
What a sad, sad little man.

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Oct 25, 2004, 01:51 PM
 
Originally posted by milhous:
yeah he's just bitter because apple doesn't want/need him.
I was about the post this exact same thing.
     
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Oct 25, 2004, 03:08 PM
 
I don't know what he wants. All I hear him do is complain from time to time. Some of his complaints are valid... the OS X interface is terribly inconsistent with aqua, and brushed metal, and the pro app themes, and all this other crap apple uses at a whim but tells other developers not to... but he has yet to really provide specific details as to what should be better, and how it could be improved.
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Oct 25, 2004, 03:27 PM
 
I find Raskin's UI ideas to be schizophrenic, to say the least. He has some valid complaints about OSX, but frankly I've heard very few complaints from him at all; most of what he says is "It's Unix; it's backward." This last bit is a direct quote which he has only in fact said once, but the things he has to say on OSX usually run along these lines: strong words with little substance.

He now seems quite willing to trade away power for ease of use, in what seems a complete reversal of his earlier ideals. Unfortunately, his latest project -he calls it "The Humane Environment"- is not available for download at the moment, but if you can get your hands on an earlier version you'd find little more than vi under there, with about the same learning curve.

I don't know. Perhaps he's in the same boat as Tog; having to deal in a world where many of their theories never panned out in practice (though some certainly did).
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Oct 25, 2004, 04:56 PM
 
Originally posted by milhous:
yeah he's just bitter because apple doesn't want/need him.
Agreed. Bitter, sour, and everything else related to lemons.
     
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Oct 25, 2004, 05:10 PM
 
Originally posted by milhous:
yeah he's just bitter because apple doesn't want/need him.
You should read his story on how much Apple and the Mac owes to him. The guy is a bitter old fu©kwad who is still pissed off 23 years after Jobs told him to piss off. The only commercial implementation of his junk was the Canon Cat, which Canon dropped 6 months after it was launched. The days of dedicated word processors were already on the way out back then, but Jef still hasn't realised that, nor has he realised how most peopel today simply see him for what he is: A man who is good at holding grudges against other people and little else.
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