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Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 12:32 AM

A bunch of us were having a discussion at work tonight, and one guy proposed that "Pulp Fiction" had it all wrong. It's not just "Beatles or Elvis?". It should have been "Are you a Beatles, Elvis, or Johnny Cash man?".

Personally, Johnny Cash.

How about yourself?

CD Hanks · Oct 30, 2004, 12:34 AM

I don't think this thread will end well.

SamuraiDL · Oct 30, 2004, 12:40 AM

first time I ever heard ring of fire, I almost **** my pants lol.

scaught · Oct 30, 2004, 12:51 AM

johnny cash. duh. i want to listen to nothing else when im drunking.

except for bjork. sometimes. mostly JC though.

scaught · Oct 30, 2004, 01:35 AM

johnny cash's cover of "in my life" pretty much makes me sad within a quarter second.

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
I don't think this thread will end well.

Really? I just don't see it turning too bad.

Cash sings about things that move my soul. He was a hard livin' man who turned his own world around so many times even he didn't know if he was sober or smashed. I have felt that way before.

Plus his songs aren't just cutesy love songs like Elvis or the Beatles used to get famous. Cash wrote love songs, but they weren't typical loves songs. There was always a sense of reality in them. He was a real man sharing himself. Not an image.

I am really looking forward to the movie they are making about him. Walk The Line.

benign · Oct 30, 2004, 09:51 AM

Beatles? should be just John Lennon.

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

residentEvil · Oct 30, 2004, 09:56 AM

Gotta be Johnny.

Spheric Harlot · Oct 30, 2004, 10:01 AM

you're missing an "all of the above" option.

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by benign:
Beatles? should be just John Lennon.

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

I imagine that would be a sad boring world.

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
you're missing an "all of the above" option.

No fence sitting here. Pick.

Mastrap · Oct 30, 2004, 10:08 AM

Cash all the way.

Mastrap · Oct 30, 2004, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
I imagine that would be a sad boring world.

No war, no hunger? What's wrong with that? I've been lucky to avoid both of the above, my parents and grandparents haven't. Judging from their stories I think I could stomach a little boredom...

Cipher13 · Oct 30, 2004, 10:12 AM

A certain four-letter word, much to my surprise, hasn't found its way into this thread yet, and as such, I voted Cash. I think I'll leave this thread alone now.

residentEvil · Oct 30, 2004, 10:12 AM

I saw Cash with The Highway Men back when the Breslin Center opened on the campus of MSU. What a great show. Last event I attended with my dad (we would go to tractor pulls and demolution derbys and that sorta thing).

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
No war, no hunger? What's wrong with that? I've been lucky to avoid both of the above, my parents and grandparents haven't. Judging from their stories I think I could stomach a little boredom...

Obviously, that's not the part I am talking about.

This is the part I have objection with:

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

If there is no heaven, then there is nothing to live for. If people simply live for today, then chaos can ensue.

The true problem with this song os that J.L. forgot about the truly evil persons living in the world.

Sure, it would be nice to dream, but dreaming doesn't feed my family or keep them safe.

benign · Oct 30, 2004, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
blah, blah....

Sure, it would be nice to dream, but dreaming doesn't feed my family or keep them safe.

Nor does religion...

Mastrap · Oct 30, 2004, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Kilbey:

If there is no heaven, then there is nothing to live for. If people simply live for today, then chaos can ensue.

I think to understand the song properly you've got to approach it from Lennon's Buddhist influenced thinking.

Buddhism states that the cause of suffering is a desire to have and control things. It can take many forms: craving of sensual pleasures; the desire for fame; the desire to avoid unpleasant sensations, like fear, anger or jealousy.

Samadhi, one of the three practices (comparable to Christian meditation using, for example, a rosary) states that eveloping one's mind is the path to wisdom which in turn leads to personal freedom. Mental development also strengthens and controls our mind. this helps us maintain good conduct.

It's important to know that in Buddhism you don't have to wait until after death to achieve enlightenment, or Nirvana. Thus, no heaven.

fhoubi · Oct 30, 2004, 10:39 AM

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by benign:
Nor does religion...

You're right.

wdlove · Oct 30, 2004, 10:43 AM

I like the music of Johnny Cash.

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
I think to understand the song properly you've got to approach it from Lennon's Buddhist influenced thinking.

Buddhism states that the cause of suffering is a desire to have and control things. It can take many forms: craving of sensual pleasures; the desire for fame; the desire to avoid unpleasant sensations, like fear, anger or jealousy.

Samadhi, one of the three practices (comparable to Christian meditation using, for example, a rosary) states that eveloping one's mind is the path to wisdom which in turn leads to personal freedom. Mental development also strengthens and controls our mind. this helps us maintain good conduct.

It's important to know that in Buddhism you don't have to wait until after death to achieve enlightenment, or Nirvana. Thus, no heaven.

So, you're saying your a Beatles man?

Mastrap · Oct 30, 2004, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
So, you're saying your a Beatles man?

Cash all the way.
You can be a Buddhist and a cowboy, you know

Kilbey · Oct 30, 2004, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Mastrap:
Cash all the way.
You can be a Buddhist and a cowboy, you know

That's good to know.

But can you be a Buddhist and an Elvis man?

Mr. Blur · Oct 30, 2004, 11:01 AM

cash

(i am surprised no smartass has replied ca$h yet)

Apple Pro Underwear · Oct 30, 2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by scaught:
johnny cash's cover of "in my life" pretty much makes me sad within a quarter second.

beatle's "with a little help from my friends" makes me happy withing a quarter second

Mastrap · Oct 30, 2004, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
That's good to know.

But can you be a Buddhist and an Elvis man?

Buddhism tends to be tolerant of other beliefs. Even Elvis-worshippers.

Elvis is a weird one for me. I can't help but thinking that I really should like his music. Yet, for some reason, it just doesn't do it for me. Then I listen to some of his early stuff and I am 'damn, that's brilliant'.

nredman · Oct 30, 2004, 12:52 PM

Zimphire · Oct 30, 2004, 12:54 PM

Definitely JC.

Kenneth · Oct 30, 2004, 01:00 PM

Elvis.. no doubt...

remember then King...

Beatles... made me think of Apple Crop

benign · Oct 30, 2004, 01:04 PM

Dr. Wahnsinn · Oct 30, 2004, 07:55 PM

Beatles! I do like Cash and early Elvis too.

Just remember; Slim Whitman sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined and nobody, but nobody, can sing Rosemarie like ol' Slim.

Now I'm off to go listen to some Boxcar Willie.

ringo · Oct 30, 2004, 08:00 PM

Got to be Johnny Cash.

Jaey · Oct 30, 2004, 09:11 PM

Beatles. Elvis comes in second. I'm not at all a Cash fan, but from the poll results it sounds like Cash is a perfectly legitimate option...

Gankdawg · Oct 30, 2004, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
you're missing a "none of the above" option.

Fixed.

Apple Pro Underwear · Oct 30, 2004, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
Beatles! I do like Cash and early Elvis too.

Just remember; Slim Whitman sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined and nobody, but nobody, can sing Rosemarie like ol' Slim.

never even heard of slim whitman

http://www.cmt.com/artists/az/whitman_slim/bio.jhtml

according to CMT he barely has any hits

and i think a lot of people can sing better than ol' slim.

Dr. Wahnsinn · Oct 30, 2004, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Apple Pro Underwear:
never even heard of slim whitman
according to CMT he barely has any hits
and i think a lot of people can sing better than ol' slim.

Do you take everything you read online so seriously?

It's a rather obscure joke. You see, back in the 70's and 80's there were TV advertisements featuring a Slim Whitman compilation. It was stated that he "sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined". I don't know where the figures came from, but one has reason to doubt.

Now, re-read my post. I said nobody could sing "Rose Marie" better than Slim. And If you've never heard of him, how would you know that a lot of people can sing better than him?

CRASH HARDDRIVE · Oct 31, 2004, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
... back in the 70's and 80's there were TV advertisements featuring a Slim Whitman compilation. It was stated that he "sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined". I don't know where the figures came from, but one has reason to doubt.

Heh, I remember those. I used to wonder whose ass they pulled those 'figures' out of. If I recall right, Boxcar Willie claimed to have 'sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis' also.

Perhaps there was one cheesy little corner record store somewhere in Outer Oshkosh where all of this 'outselling' the Beatles and Elvis took place.

Oh, and Beatles.

Powaqqatsi · Oct 31, 2004, 01:03 PM

The Beatles! Elvis and Cash trail somewhere behind with a lot of other bands/singers between them and the Beatles.

CreepingDeth · Oct 31, 2004, 01:04 PM

Without a doubt Johnny Cash.

Beatles are

the_glassman · Oct 31, 2004, 01:18 PM

I like all of them, but JC rocks!

OldManMac · Oct 31, 2004, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
Beatles! I do like Cash and early Elvis too.

Just remember; Slim Whitman sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined and nobody, but nobody, can sing Rosemarie like ol' Slim.

Now I'm off to go listen to some Boxcar Willie.

That I'd like to see some proof of. I know who Slim is and Boxcar Willie as well (I'm 57), but to say the he outsold the Beatles and Elvis combined is stretching it, IMHO.

OldManMac · Oct 31, 2004, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by scaught:
johnny cash. duh. i want to listen to nothing else when im drunking.

except for bjork. sometimes. mostly JC though.

Looks like you've already started!

Ca$h all the way. I like the Beatles and Elvis when in my teens/early twenties, and I have a lot of their music, but I rarely play them anymore.

Psychonaut · Oct 31, 2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by benign:
Beatles? should be just John Lennon.

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Sadly, only the Chicken Dance is more hackneyed.

You want some post-Beatles work that'll blow your mind? George Harrison's album "All Things Must Pass."

Dr. Wahnsinn · Oct 31, 2004, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
Heh, I remember those. I used to wonder whose ass they pulled those 'figures' out of. If I recall right, Boxcar Willie claimed to have 'sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis' also.

Perhaps there was one cheesy little corner record store somewhere in Outer Oshkosh where all of this 'outselling' the Beatles and Elvis took place.

Well, I'm glad that at least one person knows what I'm talking about.

You even remember the Boxcar Willie ads! Yeah, that "more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined" always caused a skeptical eyebrow to be raised. Perhaps you're right about the Oshkosh record store.

Say, you don't happen to remember what the names were of the two old geezers who each played a harmonica in a rather disgusting fashion? It was around the same time as the Whitman and Willie ads. I didn't even know then why it looked disgusting but it did. I just can't recall their names.

Why don't women play the harmonica?

Apple Pro Underwear · Oct 31, 2004, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Dr. Wahnsinn:
Do you take everything you read online so seriously?

It's a rather obscure joke. You see, back in the 70's and 80's there were TV advertisements featuring a Slim Whitman compilation. It was stated that he "sold more records than the Beatles and Elvis combined". I don't know where the figures came from, but one has reason to doubt.

Now, re-read my post. I said nobody could sing "Rose Marie" better than Slim. And If you've never heard of him, how would you know that a lot of people can sing better than him?

yeah i know,

i was trying to put some sense into your joke. most people would not get it. (neither did i until i goggled it.)

chris v · Oct 31, 2004, 06:39 PM

I refuse to choose. Not an Elvis fan, but asking me Beatles or Cash is like asking me "left eye or right eye?" I wouldn't want to live without either.

I so posted in this thread.

mo · Oct 31, 2004, 08:14 PM

Elvis, for sure.

Timo · Oct 31, 2004, 09:38 PM

I like the Beatles a lot, and "Viva Las Vegas" is a song without peer, but in the end it's all about the Ring of Fire.

Mastrap · Oct 31, 2004, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Timo:
but in the end it's all about the Ring of Fire.

Especially after having had a Vindaloo the night before.