[Kilbey]

Gun season for deer in Michigan opened this morning. Michigan DNR deer season dates Anyone from da Lounge going out for a deer this year?

I love the taste of venison, but I am not hunting this year. Just felt like taking a few years off. Luckily we are usually given a lot of meat from friends and neighbors who don't have the freezer room at their house.

At work, a lot of the guys are hunters, so we'll be having venison chilli, venison burgers, venison sausage, and venison steaks a lot the next couple months.

Good luck to any hunters here. Please remember to be safe.

EDITED: to make it all legal and such.

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Michigan DNR dear season dates

If it ever gets to the United States Supreme Court, that Michigan law will be struck down.

That ain't justifiable homicide. If you don't get along with your wife, get a divorce.

As for deer hunting, no I don't do it. It's hard to do that in the heart of a tourist trap. No forests around here.

[Fiend]

I only ever bow hunted, but do know dozens who are off this week hunting. I'll reap their reward for the next few months as well

[Eriamjh]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
If it ever gets to the United States Supreme Court, that Michigan law will be struck down.

I don't know what law you are talking about, but Michigan hunters shoot deer to control the deer population and EAT THEM.

I am against hunting deer for sport, but all for hunting them for food. All killed deer should be eaten. Hunters who shoot just for the kill should at least give the kill to a hungry neighbor. Venison is good stuff.

If you are against deering hunting because of some kind of kindness to animals thing, well... good for you.

[fireside]

Originally posted by BasketofPuppies:
That ain't justifiable homicide. If you don't get along with your wife, get a divorce.

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
I don't know what law you are talking about, but Michigan hunters shoot deer to control the deer population and EAT THEM.

Sure, deer hunting is legal, but Kilbey was writing about dear hunting.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Why am I not the least bit surprised by this.

[Turias]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
I don't know what law you are talking about, but Michigan hunters shoot deer to control the deer population and EAT THEM.

I am against hunting deer for sport, but all for hunting them for food. All killed deer should be eaten. Hunters who shoot just for the kill should at least give the kill to a hungry neighbor. Venison is good stuff.

If you are against deering hunting because of some kind of kindness to animals thing, well... good for you.

He was joking! Note the spelling of "dear".

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Why am I not the least bit surprised by this.

Because venison is tastey and hunting for food is a good thing?

[screamingFit]

I can't believe in this day in age, people are still barbaric enough to kill other things for "sport".

Why Sport Hunting Is Cruel and Unnecessary

Today, hunting, which was a crucial part of survival 100,000 years ago, is nothing more than a violent form of recreation that is unnecessary for the subsistence of the vast majority of hunters.1 Hunting has contributed to the extinction of animal species all over the world, including the Tasmanian tiger2 and the great auk.3

Although less than 5 percent of the U.S. population hunts,4 it is permitted in many wildlife refuges, national forests and state parks, and other public lands. Forty percent of hunters kill animals on public land,5 which means that every year, on the half-billion acres of public land in the U.S., millions of animals who “belong” to the more than 95 percent of Americans who do not hunt are slaughtered and maimed by hunters,6 and by some estimates, poachers kill just as many illegally.7

Conservation and Management Programs Fail
To attract more hunters (and their money), federal and state agencies implement programs—often termed “wildlife management” or “conservation” programs—to boost the number of “game” species so that there are plenty of animals for hunters to kill and, consequently, plenty of revenue from the sale of hunting licenses.

Duck hunters in Louisiana persuaded the state wildlife agency to direct $100,000 a year toward “reduced predator impact,” which involved trapping foxes and raccoons so that more duck eggs would hatch, giving hunters more birds to kill.8 The Ohio Division of Wildlife teamed up with a hunter-organized society to push for clear-cutting (decimating large tracts of trees) in Wayne National Forest to “produce habitat needed by ruffed grouse.”9

In Alaska, the Department of Fish and Game is trying to increase the number of moose for hunters by “controlling” the wolf and bear populations. Grizzlies and black bears have been moved hundreds of miles from their homes—two were shot by hunters within two weeks of their relocation, and others have simply returned to their homes10—and wolves have been slaughtered in order to “let the moose population rebound and provide a higher harvest for local hunters.”11 In the early 1990s, a program designed to reduce the wolf population backfired when snares failed to kill victims quickly, and photos of suffering wolves were seen by an outraged public.12

Colorado is dealing with an overpopulation of elks, but programs aimed at controlling their numbers have led to “mistaken identity” killings of protected moose.13 Although more hunting permits are being issued and tens of thousands of elks are killed every year by hunters, there has been no reduction in the population.14

Nature Takes Care of Its Own
If left unaltered, the delicate balance of nature’s ecosystems ensures the survival of most species. Natural predators help maintain this balance by killing only the sickest and weakest individuals. Hunters, however, kill any animal they would like to hang over the fireplace—including large, healthy animals who are needed to keep the population strong.

Even when unusual occurrences cause temporary animal-overpopulation problems, natural processes quickly stabilize the group. Starvation and disease are unfortunate, but they are nature’s way of ensuring that healthy, strong animals survive and maintain the strength of the entire herd or group. Shooting an animal because he or she might starve or become sick is arbitrary and destructive.

Sport hunting not only jeopardizes nature’s balance, but also exacerbates other problems. For example, the transfer of captive-bred deer and elk between states for the purpose of hunting is believed to have contributed to the epidemic spread of chronic wasting disease (CWD). As a result, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) has given state wildlife agencies millions of dollars to “manage” deer and elk populations.15 The fatal, neurological illness that affects these animals has been likened to mad cow disease, and while the USDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claim that CWD has no relationship to any similar diseases that affect humans or domesticated livestock, the slaughter of deer and elk is slated to continue.16,17

Another problem with hunting involves the introduction of exotic “game” animals who, if able to escape and thrive, pose a threat to native wildlife and established ecosystems. A group of non-native wild boars escaped from a private ranch and moved into the forests of Cambria County, Pa., prompting that state to draft a bill prohibiting the importation of any exotic species.18

Canned Hunts
Most hunting occurs on private land, where laws that protect wildlife are often inapplicable or difficult to enforce. On private lands that are set up as for-profit hunting reserves or game ranches, hunters can pay to kill native and exotic species in “canned hunts.” These animals may be native to the area, raised elsewhere and brought in, or purchased from individuals who are trafficking unwanted or surplus animals from zoos and circuses. They are hunted and killed for the sole purpose of providing hunters with an exotic “trophy.”

Canned hunts are becoming big business—there are an estimated 1,000 to 2,000 game preserves in the U.S.19 Ted Turner, who owns more land than any other landowner in the nation, operates 20 ranches where hunters pay thousands of dollars to kill bison, deer, African antelopes, and turkeys.20

Animals on canned-hunting ranches are often accustomed to humans and are usually unable to escape from the enclosures, which range in size from just a few yards to thousands of acres across. Most of these ranches operate on a “no kill, no pay” policy, so it is in the owners’ best interests to ensure that clients get what they came for. Owners do this by offering guides who know the location and habits of the animals, permitting the use of dogs, and supplying “feeding stations” that lure unsuspecting animals to food while hunters lie in wait.

Only a handful of states prohibit canned hunting,21 and there are no federal laws regulating the practice at this time, although Congress is considering an amendment to the Captive Exotic Animal Protection Act that would prohibit the transfer, transportation, or possession of exotic animals “for entertainment or the collection of a trophy.”22

“Accidental” Victims
Hunting “accidents” destroy property and injure or kill horses, cows, dogs, cats, hikers, and other hunters. In 2001, according to the International Hunter Education Association, there were dozens of deaths and hundreds of injuries attributed to hunting in the United States—and that only includes incidents involving humans.23 It is an ongoing problem, and one warden explained that “hunters seem unfamiliar with their firearms and do not have enough respect for the damage they can do.”24

A Humane Alternative
There are 20 million deer in the U.S., and because hunting has been an ineffective method to “control” populations (one Pennsylvania hunter “manages” the population by clearing his 600-acre plot of wooded land and planting corn to attract deer), some wildlife agencies are considering other management techniques.25 Several recent studies suggest that sterilization is an effective, long-term solution to overpopulation. A method called TNR (trap, neuter, and return) has been tried on deer in Ithaca, N.Y.,26 and an experimental birth-control vaccine is being used on female deer in Princeton, N.J.27 One Georgia study suggested for 1,500 white-tailed deer on Cumberland Island concluded that “herd size in closed populations can be regulated in the field relatively quickly if fertile and sterile animals can be identified … and an appropriate sterilization schedule is generated.”28

What You Can Do
Before you support a “wildlife” or “conservation” group, ask about its position on hunting. Groups such as the National Wildlife Federation, the National Audubon Society, the Sierra Club, the Izaak Walton League, the Wilderness Society, the World Wildlife Fund, and many others are pro-sport-hunting or, at the very least, they do not oppose it.

To combat hunting in your area, post “no hunting” signs on your land, join or form an anti-hunting organization, protest organized hunts, and spread deer repellent or human hair (from barber shops) near hunting areas. Call 1-800-448-NPCA to report poachers in national parks to the National Parks and Conservation Association. Educate others about hunting. Encourage your legislators to enact or enforce wildlife protection laws, and insist that nonhunters be equally represented on wildlife agency staffs.

References

1)National Research Council, “Science and the Endangered Species Act,” Washington, D.C.: National Academy Press, 1995: 21.
2)Grant Holloway, “Cloning to Revive Extinct Species,” CNN, 28 May 2002.
3)“Great Auk,” Canadian Museum of Nature, 2003.
4)United States Fish and Wildlife Service, “National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife—Associated Recreation,” Washington, D.C.: GPO, 2001: 5.
5)U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 80.
6)United States Department of the Interior, “Public Land Statistics,” Table 1-3, Mar. 2000.
7)“Poaching Is a Serious Crime,” Illinois Department of Natural Resources, May 2003.
8)Bob Marshall, “Is Predator Program Enough?” Times-Picayune, 2 Mar. 2003.
9)Dave Golowenski, “Grouse Numbers Go Up If Trees Come Down,” The Columbus Dispatch, 20 Feb. 2003.
10)“Hunters Shoot Two Relocated Bears,” Associated Press, 9 Jun. 2003.
11)Joel Gay, “McGrath Wolf Kills Fall Short,” Anchorage Daily News, 25 Apr. 2003.
12)Gay, “Governor Takes Heat From Hunters Expecting Aerial Wolf Control,” Anchorage Daily News, 8 Apr. 2003.
13)Charlie Meyers, “Professor’s Prime Advice: Trim the Elk Herds, Now,” The Denver Post, 20 May 2003.
14)Meyers.
15)United States Department of Agriculture, “USDA Makes $4 Million Available to State Wildlife Agencies for Strengthening Chronic Wasting Disease Management,” 15 Apr. 2003.
16)Animal and Plant Health Inspection Services, “What is Chronic Wasting Disease?” United States Department of Agriculture, Nov. 2002.
17)CDC Media Relations, “Fatal Degenerative Neurologic Illnesses in Men Who Participated in Wild Game Feasts—Wisconsin, 2002,” Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Feb. 2003.
18)Judy Lin, “Pennsylvania Worried About Wild Boar Escape,” Associated Press, 17 Mar. 2002.
19)Jeffery Kluger, “Hunting Made Easy,” Time, 11 Mar. 2002.
20)Audrey Hudson, “Greens Cut Turner a Break; Critics Question His Stewardship of Western Land,” The Washington Times, 20 Jan. 2002.
21)National Conference of State Legislatures, “Canned Hunting,” Environment, Energy and Transportation Program, Apr. 2003.
22)H.R. 3464 Captive Exotic Animal Protection Act, Session 107, introduced 11 Nov. 2001.
23)“Hunter Incident Clearinghouse,” International Hunter Education Association, 2001.
24)Tom Harelson, “1998 Deer Gun Season Report,” Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, 8 Dec. 1998.
25)Andrew C. Revkin, “States Seek to Restore Deer Balance,” The New York Times, 29 Dec. 2002
26)Roger Segelken, “Surgical Sterilization Snips Away at Deer Population,” Cornell News, 19 Mar. 2003.
27)“Princeton’s Deer Hunt Coming to a Premature End,” Associated Press, 21 Mar. 2003.
28)James L. Boone and Richard G. Wiegert, “Modeling Deer Herd Management: Sterilization Is a Viable Option,” University of Georgia, 1994.

[SamuraiDL]

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[MacNStein]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
I can't believe in this day in age, people are still barbaric enough to kill other things for "sport".

Most hunters I know don't hunt for sport, they eat what they bag.

As for "Nature taking care of it's own", you should have seen what it was like in some states when hunting was banned for a few years. The number of whitetail were completely out of control, 10s of thousands of deer died to disease (Hemorrhagic fever being a main cause), not to mention the hundreds killed by autos (as they were migrating around trying to find food in the winter). Most of this happening due to the decrease in the number of natural predators.

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...t/dm_aa026003/

[Brass]

Not me! I'll be hunting Wallaby. 'roo is the one meat that's even better than venison... love it!

Actually, research shows that culling produces more healthy populations.

Hunting just for the sake of killing, or for trophies, is a completely different thing to hunting for food.

And yes, we can get food from the supermarket, but it does NOT taste as good, is NOT as good for you and is NOT as much fun to get. Even if it is the same species, which in the case if wallaby is usually NOT available in the supermarket (and if it is, then it's because somebody else shot it).

Claiming that hunting is bad because it's releated to extinctions is insane. Hunting endagered species is stupid. Hunting vermin, or exceedingly populous species is sensible. In Tasmania (ex-home of the Tasmnaian Tiger, or Thylacine actually), deer are not native, but are introduced vermin. Why whould they be protected? (and yet they are partially, for the sake of hunters, oddly enough).

The example of the Tasmanian Tiger extinction above is a good one. It shows how hunting does need to be controlled or managed. NOT why hunting is a bad thing.

The Tasmanin Tiger was decalred an endagered species at about the time the last known specimen died. That was exceedingly poor management. By the way, many Tasmanians claim to still see Thylacines, occasionally (I don't believe it myself, but here's hoping).

Personally, there is no other way for me to get the meat I prefer (roo). If I don't hunt it, I must get it from somebody else who has done so. Roo, also happens to be substantially more healthy than any meat I can buy in the supermarket. It has virtually no fat, and absolutely no bad cholesterol. Why should I settle for second best when the best is cheaper, and more fun, and more healthy, and more tasty?

[Brass]

... and besides... farming animals is cruel! Poor cute fluffy things being caged up all their lives on just enough land calculated to barely cover their needs. Injected, sprayed, drenched, fenced, slaughtered. Horrible!

[OldManMac]

My son-in-law and daughter own 11 acres near Hubbard Lake, in northern lower Michigan, and his dad owns an adjacent 19 acres, so they're up there. He got one with a bow already. I don't like venison; it tastes too "gamey." My son-in-law does use venison burger in sphagetti, and, with the right spices, that's pretty good. Otherwise, he knows I don't care for it. I don't hunt, although I may try it one of these years, but I don't see anything wrong with it, and those who rant about killing "helpless" animals don't know what they're talking about. Michigan's deer population has exploded in the last few years, due to milder winters, etc., and the overpopulation is not only a health problem for the animals, but they're also a hazard for drivers.

[rjenkinson]

-r.

[the_glassman]

I never understood why people feel the need to hunt a defenseless animal . The only sport I can see in something like hunting is; if I were hunting an actual person and killed them with my bare hands. I guess it could be fun shooting things, just not my cup of tea.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by the_glassman:
I never understood why people feel the need to hunt a defenseless animal . The only sport I can see in something like hunting is; if I were hunting an actual person and killed them with my bare hands. I guess it could be fun shooting things, just not my cup of tea.

I'd like you to say animals are defenseless after going 1 on 1 with pretty much any animal.

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
I'd like you to say animals are defenseless after going 1 on 1 with pretty much any animal.

Yeah you're right, it's pretty easy for an animal to defend it's self when you're sitting in a tree shooting it with a gun. How many times have you been attacked or assaulted by a deer?
I've been attacked by several animals, oddly enough I never wanted to kill them or have them killed.

[d4nth3m4n]

i like growing tomatoes, and as a result, i support the hunting of deer.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
i like growing tomatoes, and as a result, i support the hunting of deer.

This made my shoot milk out my nose. Thanks for the laugh!

[Zimphire]

I am to big of a wussy to hunt. I could never shoot a deer.

But they are tasty.

[Brass]

Originally posted by rjenkinson:
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That was exceptionally poor taste, and completely irrelevant.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
I can't believe in this day in age, people are still barbaric enough to kill other things for "sport".

Well the crusades are over so he needs something to do

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Well the crusades are over so he needs something to do

Huh?

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

To his credit he only shoots the gay deers.

[sideus]

The deer population in Ohio is way out of control. I drive I-71 north everyday towards Columbus and there are at least 5 to 10 new deer corpses on the side of the road. It is crazy.

We used to hunt Caribou in Alaska. Those were some good eatin'.

[SamuraiDL]

il cacciatore

[brapper]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Why am I not the least bit surprised by this.

seconded.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
This made my shoot milk out my nose. Thanks for the laugh!

i guess that was funny, i was being serious. those guys always jump the fence and eat my plants before i can get any tomatoes.

[Psychonaut]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
I can't believe in this day in age, people are still barbaric enough to kill other things for "sport".

Well, your username reflects the content of your post.

[BasketofPuppies]

Kilbey, you ruined my joke!

[DeathToWindows]

Originally posted by Psychonaut:
Well, your username reflects the content of your post.

snort.

Ya, hunt for food... but don;t just hunt for sport.

[rjenkinson]

Originally posted by Brass:
That was exceptionally poor taste, and completely irrelevant.

well, i guess someone hasn't seen the movie.

-r.

[DBursey]

A friend of mine bow hunts on his 250 acre spread near Zephyr, Ontario. He also feeds the herd with 500 lbs of carrots from Holland Landing a few times each winter. The surviving deer are well fed, and my pal gets his venison.

[screamingFit]

One of the things hunters almost always bring up is that they help make the roads safer because of deer causing accidents. Hmmmm...if your land was invaded by yuppies wanting to "move out into the country" and decimate your home with their fiber-board houses and SUVs, you'd run into traffic, too.

Don't try to make yourself feel better about murdering another living thing. Typical western mow-it-down-self-centered attitude...

[Randman]

Never been hunting, though I have fished a time or three. My older brothers and my dad and his brothers and dad used to go way back in the early 1970s but I never got the chance to.
I do remmeber my Grandpa being quite upset after a couple of dogs got into the shed once and ate up some of the deer before it was cleaned up for us.
Anyway, love the taste of venison though kangaroo is even better.

[phoenixboy70]

hunting is completely superflous and retarded. if i was stranded on a deserted island with nothing to eat and had to hunt down a bunch of pigs in order to have a meal, i might consider it.

but for now a pizza and a salad will do fine. thx.

my 2 ¢

[Randman]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
but for now a pizza and a salad will do fine.

A veggie pizza, I hope. Otherwise, that's one of the silliest things I ever read. here. "I don't condone the killing of an animal for food, unless it's a pepperoni animal for my 'za."

[Gankdawg]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
I'd like you to say animals are defenseless after going 1 on 1 with pretty much any animal.

Animals are defenseless against a bullet that is shot from 100 yards (or more) away. Bow hunters must get closer; however, the shot is still taken from far back.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against hunting. Just not my cup of tea.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Randman:
"I don't condone the killing of an animal for food, unless it's a pepperoni animal for my 'za."

you mean that stuff doesn't come from the pepperoni tree?

[BasketofPuppies]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you mean that stuff doesn't come from the pepperoni tree?

Post of the week.

[Randman]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
you mean that stuff doesn't come from the pepperoni tree?

Good recovery. Props.

[Cipher13]

Bah, most hunting is lame. If it's for food or population control, fine; but if you're gonna do it right. Make sure the animal dies quickly, most importantly.

Either way, most "hunters", even those who use the kills for food, are pussies. I only start to accept it as decent when you're using a bow, and not a rifle; or better yet, a knife. Then I'll show some respect.

Of course, regardless of that, the first sentence still applies.

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
Don't try to make yourself feel better about murdering another living thing. Typical western mow-it-down-self-centered attitude...

Murder? Come on. Murder only goes as far as humans.

Do you even know anything about herbivores? They're like a drive-thru for predators. If you don't eat them (in a proper ecosystem) someone else will. All that crap about predators only getting the weakest sickest animals is utter tripe. This is not a western attitude; the native population was one of hunters.

[screamingFit]

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Murder? Come on. Murder only goes as far as humans.

Do you even know anything about herbivores? They're like a drive-thru for predators. If you don't eat them (in a proper ecosystem) someone else will. All that crap about predators only getting the weakest sickest animals is utter tripe. This is not a western attitude; the native population was one of hunters.

Yes. Murder. Sentinent beings feel pain. Killing something unecessarily (liking the taste of their meat doesn't count as necessary, nor some wacked out notion of helping the ecosystem) that is sentinent is murder.

So, it's okay to kill them since their natural predators will anyway? Well, you're going to die anyway so I might as well shoot you now, too.

Native population...many, many, many years ago, yes. It is an uneccessary evil to hunt or eat meat, for that matter, in today's western society. It is nothing more than something you "like" not something you "need". And yes, this is a western attitude. When's the last time you went hunting for your hamburger? Those on the Serengeti have little choice - do you think they would go hunting for the days food if they were fat Americans and had a grocery store with too much food every 3 miles?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
Yes. Murder. Sentinent beings feel pain. Killing something unecessarily (liking the taste of their meat doesn't count as necessary, nor some wacked out notion of helping the ecosystem) that is sentinent is murder.

So, it's okay to kill them since their natural predators will anyway? Well, you're going to die anyway so I might as well shoot you now, too.

Native population...many, many, many years ago, yes. It is an uneccessary evil to hunt or eat meat, for that matter, in today's western society. It is nothing more than something you "like" not something you "need". And yes, this is a western attitude. When's the last time you went hunting for your hamburger? Those on the Serengeti have little choice - do you think they would go hunting for the days food if they were fat Americans and had a grocery store with too much food every 3 miles?

Perhaps we're "fat Americans" because we don't hunt. If we had to catch and kill the meat we'd be much better off.

As for murdering a sentient animal for food... yeah, so? What you view as evil, I see as merciful (as well as beneficial).

[TheBadgerHunter]

Originally posted by screamingFit:
Yes. Murder. Sentinent beings feel pain. Killing something unecessarily (liking the taste of their meat doesn't count as necessary, nor some wacked out notion of helping the ecosystem) that is sentinent is murder.

So, it's okay to kill them since their natural predators will anyway? Well, you're going to die anyway so I might as well shoot you now, too.

Native population...many, many, many years ago, yes. It is an uneccessary evil to hunt or eat meat, for that matter, in today's western society. It is nothing more than something you "like" not something you "need". And yes, this is a western attitude. When's the last time you went hunting for your hamburger? Those on the Serengeti have little choice - do you think they would go hunting for the days food if they were fat Americans and had a grocery store with too much food every 3 miles?

Murder is a criminal offense, nothing more. Its only meaning is the one we assign it: that it is morally and legally wrong to kill another human being. It IS helping the ecosystem. We hunted most of the natural predators to death.

No its okay because it is a natural process. We all kill food to eat. Its a fact of life. You can build up whatever moral high-ground you like. Of course its only murder if the victim is sentient. Face it pal this is only about your conscience.

Not that many years ago actually. Eating meat is a biological necessity. We evolved to do it. They probably would continue to hunt. Its a way of life and an integral part of their history and culture.. things which happen to be exclusively human attributes.

Do you really think you have to be sentient to feel pain? How about the murder that got every creature on the face of the earth where it is? You just setup your own little system of ethics that makes you feel good about not eating meat. Maybe you're just intimidated at being at the top of the food chain.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Perhaps we're "fat Americans" because we don't hunt.

No it has more to do with the sugars, fats and carbs. Not because we are not chasing deers.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
No it has more to do with the sugars, fats and carbs. Not because we are not chasing deers.

You are a fat American?