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The Godfather · Nov 24, 2004, 01:58 AM

The next Zelda will be done in realistic style, instead of the Chibi style of Wind Waker. It will be good to spark interest in the game.

Mario has been cartoony since its inception. Do you think that it should be upgraded to cool-realistic for its next production?

d4nth3m4n · Nov 24, 2004, 02:04 AM

as long as they get dennis hopper to be bowser, i'm so liking this idea.

Xeo · Nov 24, 2004, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
as long as they get dennis hopper to be bowser, i'm so liking this idea.

haahaha

To answer the topic, no. Cartoony is the way mario should stay.

Lancer409 · Nov 24, 2004, 02:28 AM

realistic ....

as in .. two middle aged italian plumbers trolling for booty? ... i think it's a bit too mature for nintendo

OB1 · Nov 24, 2004, 09:27 AM

Sure, why not. And while you're at it Nintendo, I'd like the camera to be, at least, as good as Mario64. Oh and tone the colours down a bit. Thanks.

Axo1ot1 · Nov 24, 2004, 09:30 AM

Map Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo and Dennis Hopper into 3D characters and do a dark Mario game with the movie's aesthetic? Rawk.

GoGoReggieXPowars · Nov 24, 2004, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by OB1:
Sure, why not. And while you're at it Nintendo, I'd like the camera to be, at least, as good as Mario64.

Oh, man, I had so many times I wanted to throw my controller out the window playing Mario64 because of the damn camera. Mainly in the clock and rainbow cloud levels.

Voted cartoony, and let's never speak of Mario Sunshine again.

Psychonaut · Nov 24, 2004, 10:10 AM

scaught · Nov 24, 2004, 11:14 AM

honestly, mario could look like anything nad it would be fine. mario games are about PLAY CONTROL. how the controls move that little dude around on screen (think of the small touches like being able to adjust mario mid jump, running and sliding under something, etc).

but ya. it would be a little weird for a fully rendered realistic CGI mario to be jumping around.

Adam Betts · Nov 24, 2004, 11:38 AM

I've been wondering what Mario would look like when cel-shaded. I think Mario is more suited for cartoon type than Zelda.

Speaking of realistic, a real physics engine for Mario would rock! Think of the possibility..

Skip Breakfast · Nov 24, 2004, 12:47 PM

Am I the only one here who liked Sunshine?

mdc · Nov 24, 2004, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I've been wondering what Mario would look like when cel-shaded. I think Mario is more suited for cartoon type than Zelda.

Speaking of realistic, a real physics engine for Mario would rock! Think of the possibility..

i was about to type the same thing. mario in cel-shaded zelda style would be very cool.

and no, skip breakfast, you are not the only one. i am enjoying playing through it.

angelmb · Nov 24, 2004, 01:15 PM

I love Mario's look on Paper Mario

macaddict0001 · Nov 24, 2004, 01:29 PM

the whimsical graphics are what makes mario, well mario

neophilia · Nov 24, 2004, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Skip Breakfast:
Am I the only one here who liked Sunshine?

Nope, I liked it.
-n

storer · Nov 24, 2004, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
haahaha

To answer the topic, no. Cartoony is the way mario should stay.

Agreed. It wouldn't be the same

Millennium · Nov 24, 2004, 05:24 PM

No, no, a million times no. To be honest, I'm not so sure it's such a good idea with Zelda either.

Just because a game doesn't make your virtual penis look big doesn't mean it's bad. Nintendo has resisted the 3G (Grit/Guns/Girls) formula that Microsoft and Sony dance to, and instead focused on the one thing that really matters: gameplay. It's the only way they've been able to survive the pop-formula juggernaut that is PPLQ: they have the best games.

As they focus on 3G, they will inevitably start ignoring gameplay. This is why I see the hyper-realistic Zelda as a very bad sign of things to come.

fireside · Nov 24, 2004, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by OB1:
Sure, why not. And while you're at it Nintendo, I'd like the camera to be, at least, as good as Mario64. Oh and tone the colours down a bit. Thanks.

what are you talking about? the Mario Sunshine camera has the best camera in the world. its the same exact thing as the Mario 64 camera, but now you can fully control it with the C-Stick.

fireside · Nov 24, 2004, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
No, no, a million times no. To be honest, I'm not so sure it's such a good idea with Zelda either.

Just because a game doesn't make your virtual penis look big doesn't mean it's bad. Nintendo has resisted the 3G (Grit/Guns/Girls) formula that Microsoft and Sony dance to, and instead focused on the one thing that really matters: gameplay. It's the only way they've been able to survive the pop-formula juggernaut that is PPLQ: they have the best games.

As they focus on 3G, they will inevitably start ignoring gameplay. This is why I see the hyper-realistic Zelda as a very bad sign of things to come.

the 64 zeldas were realistic for the time and it still had the best gameplay and control. i highly doubt nintendo is going to stop doing what everyone likes 'em for.

hyperb0le · Nov 24, 2004, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
the 64 zeldas were realistic for the time and it still had the best gameplay and control. i highly doubt nintendo is going to stop doing what everyone likes 'em for.

The realistic Zelda is a sign of great things (hopefully) for the series.

Mario, on the other hand, should stay as it is now or move to cell-shaded.

lavar78 · Nov 24, 2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by angelmb:
I love Mario's look on Paper Mario

Agreed.

Oneota · Nov 24, 2004, 09:58 PM

I would love to see the original trilogy (SMB 1, 2, 3) re-worked to be fully 3D. I think that would be a kickass game. Everyone already knows how they go, but the new perspective would breathe new life into it.

(And yes, I know 2 doesn't really fit in with the others. It was still fun, though.)

Superchicken · Nov 24, 2004, 10:13 PM

Mario 64 was a bit more realistic than I wanted. That said I loved Sunshine. 64 was just somewhat, I dono some of the things in it seemed a bit strange and not so Mario like. That said Mario 3 redone in 3D would be awesome.

Think about it, the suits and different types of abilities of Mario 3 would have been so awesome! Even add in a few other things. It'd be freaking awesome.

Adam Betts · Nov 24, 2004, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
Mario 64 was a bit more realistic than I wanted

angelmb · Nov 25, 2004, 09:51 AM

Well, Nintendo is still working on Mario 128, so time will tell.

macaddict0001 · Nov 25, 2004, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by angelmb:
Well, Nintendo is still working on Mario 128, so time will tell.

i'm pretty sure that game was dropped, the only thing we've heard of it was the e3 where "project dolphin" announced. there was a small movie but nothing else.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Nov 25, 2004, 04:05 PM

This is the worst idea since the Mario Movie.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 25, 2004, 06:54 PM

I think making TWW cell shaded was a bad move by Nintendo. Dont ge me wrong, i love the look for TWW. But there were far too many people who were disappointed with it. They should have made it semi real.

As far as Mario, they should have used cell shading for all mario games. If any franchize deserved it, it was mario. it would have worked great.

Please dont make Mario realistic, it will be disastrous. Make Mario cell shaded.

And i do agree when people say, the reason why the GameCube is not as big a success it could have beenis because of the lack of a SMB game. worst marketing decision ever. (by the way, imo, luigi's mansion and SMS sucked, big time. Storylines matter.... id prefer to save a princess than go around an island cleaning it up. And a ghostbuster these is far too limited.)

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Nov 25, 2004, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
I think making TWW cell shaded was a bad move by Nintendo. Dont ge me wrong, i love the look for TWW. But there were far too many people who were disappointed with it. They should have made it semi real.

As far as Mario, they should have used cell shading for all mario games. If any franchize deserved it, it was mario. it would have worked great.

Please dont make Mario realistic, it will be disastrous. Make Mario cell shaded.

And i do agree when people say, the reason why the GameCube is not as big a success it could have beenis because of the lack of a SMB game. worst marketing decision ever. (by the way, imo, luigi's mansion and SMS sucked, big time. Storylines matter.... id prefer to save a princess than go around an island cleaning it up. And a ghostbuster these is far too limited.)

So what is good than?

d4nth3m4n · Nov 25, 2004, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
So what is good than?

ok, now you're just messing with me.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Nov 25, 2004, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
ok, now you're just messing with me.

I know you are bored so I am more thEn happy to give you something to do.

Evan_11 · Nov 25, 2004, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Map Bob Hoskins and John Leguizamo and Dennis Hopper into 3D characters and do a dark Mario game with the movie's aesthetic? Rawk.

Huh? Why would that 'rawk' as you put it? Sawk is more like it.

Evan_11 · Nov 25, 2004, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
This is the worst idea since the Mario Movie.

Actually it's funny that you even care.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Nov 25, 2004, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Actually it's funny that you even care.

Why? I love every mario well Mar64 and before.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 26, 2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
So what is good than?

Non-realistic Mario = good idea.
realistic mario = bad idea.

Superchicken · Nov 27, 2004, 12:23 AM

You know what they should do? Take essentially the same sort of engine as Sunshine though with a lot of tweaks, and toss out the nozzel and such, and bring in all the items from Mario games past! Start chucking veggies, have Mario AND Luigi be able to wear things like Hammer bros. suits, Tunuki suits, that little boot from that one level in world five of Mario 3. If they want to play off the franchise then play off the bloody franchise! But do it well.

That said Nintendo should look at getting some GOOD storyline writers, and develop something like a Megaman X platformer but with new characters and a new universe. But don't let it suck! Make it multi player but be creative with it. Something like a cross between a shooter and Mario 64 (Why is it first person shooters are the only platformers that ever have guns?)

There's a lot nintendo could do with some fresh bloody and real talent.

Hawkeye_a · Nov 27, 2004, 02:18 AM

I think they need a new mascot for the new direction they are going in with new interfaces. Super Mario Sunshine and Luigis mansions, probably detered more buyers than it atracted them. Have the franchises upgraded, with better visuals/audio and new level. But introduce a new franchise. Conquer would have been far more marketable to all age groups(with minor modifications of course) than SMS or LM ever did for example.
And yes.... SuperChicken...take that damn water gun and gawdy colors away....give Mario the abilities he had from the origianl Super Mario Games and polish the games up, instead of using textures otomized for the N64 and every color of the rainbow. Make it an actual mario game.

Also...they could have easily developed a different mascot for all the 'mario' sports titles they have. it would have been an almost all sport franchize thats not mario and not based on real players/teams.
Cheers.