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Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 1, 2004, 07:09 PM

+ or - ?

rozwado1 · Dec 1, 2004, 07:18 PM

Rock Rap ala Jay-Z and Linkin Park?

n:

Rock Rap as in MosDef's black jack johnson thing?

d4nth3m4n · Dec 1, 2004, 07:29 PM

hyperb0le · Dec 1, 2004, 10:43 PM

But then again, I hate 99% of current music

SamuraiDL · Dec 1, 2004, 11:23 PM

Not the greatest thing to ever happen to music, but then again, its better then a lot of the crap that people get PAID to play.

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 2, 2004, 10:29 AM

I started this thread because I heard some Jay-Z/Linkin Park colaboration stuff.

Jay-Z sounds better when he is rapping to some true hip-hop beats. My first thought was: Does Jay-Z listen to Linkin Park when he's up in his crib? I would bet Hell NO and that's why I think this is some true posing BS.

I think Rap/Pop have a place together.

GoGoReggieXPowars · Dec 2, 2004, 10:50 AM

There was some cool stuff on the "Judgement Night" soundtrack, if that's what you mean.

Sherwin · Dec 2, 2004, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by GoGoReggieXPowars:
There was some cool stuff on the "Judgement Night" soundtrack, if that's what you mean.

JHromadka · Dec 2, 2004, 11:00 AM

Aerosmith/Run DMC

E's Lil Theorem · Dec 2, 2004, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by JHromadka:
Aerosmith/Run DMC

Walk This Way

brapper · Dec 2, 2004, 11:48 AM

2Pac & Phil Collins - In the air tonight

effgee · Dec 2, 2004, 12:56 PM

body count.

E's Lil Theorem · Dec 2, 2004, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by brapper:
2Pac & Phil Collins - In the air tonight

Does this count? 2Pac's version is more a remix rather than a colaboration. Pimpy remix, nevertheless.

GoGoReggieXPowars · Dec 2, 2004, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by effgee:
body count.

Hell yeah.

Albert Pujols · Dec 2, 2004, 03:43 PM

um...

needs more thumbs up

itistoday · Dec 2, 2004, 04:10 PM

Um, I appreciate music from virtually ever genre besides country, and there are several rock/rap bands/songs that are good. Linkin Park is good, and so is that song... "Rock Superstar" by Cypris Hill. Rock/Rap has potential if done correctly in this fashion.

nredman · Dec 2, 2004, 04:24 PM

CreepingDeth · Dec 2, 2004, 04:47 PM

Double thumbs down.

In fact, almost everything that has happened to rock since nu-metal and the rap rock has been awful. Linkin Park? Don't make me heave on my $28 keyboard.

nredman · Dec 2, 2004, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:

Double thumbs down.

In fact, almost everything that has happened to rock since nu-metal and the rap rock has been awful. Linkin Park? Don't make me heave on my $28 keyboard.

Macpilot · Dec 2, 2004, 06:33 PM

Body count was friggin awesome. Some of Ice-T's best stuff.

Since one of my fav bands is 311, and there are hard to classify, but would be close to Rock Rap, I would say rock rap can be awesome.

Cubeoid · Dec 2, 2004, 06:37 PM

CreepingDeth · Dec 2, 2004, 07:38 PM

Ice T?
The guy on L&O:SVU?
"Die Pig, Die!"?
Ahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!
Irony.�

Superchicken · Dec 2, 2004, 08:06 PM

Depends, I tend to actually enjoy Rap when it has Rock influences... rap in it's current standard form is just irritating. Rap-Core from bands like Thousand Foot Krutch is actually not that bad (for a good example listen to Set It Off on the iTMS not Phenomenon though that was not a terribly good album.)

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 2, 2004, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
rap in it's current standard form is just irritating.

spoken like a true honkey

rap doesn't have a "standard form". rap by it's nature is expressive according to the performer's specific message. rap as a genre is also as varied as Rock, Country Western, Classical, Jazz and most all music genres are.

i personally feel though that Rock and Rap are exploiting each other. I wonder if Jay-Z named 10 rock bands, if they would be like:

1. Linkin Park
2. Limp Bizkit
3. Nickleback
4. Metallica
5. Avril Lavigne
6. other lame bands

I mean, to me... you should make music because you really love it and have something to contribute. Jay-Z loves Hip-Hop... I doubt he cares about Rock.

ringo · Dec 2, 2004, 10:04 PM

The Gorillaz:

Mr. Bungle:

Wanna-be crossover pop songs with 15 seconds of an overpaid rapper spouting nonsense that has nothing to do with the rest of the song:

Cipher13 · Dec 2, 2004, 10:29 PM

Rock Rap ala Jay-Z and Linkin Park? n:

Rock Rap as in MosDef's black jack johnson thing?

I started this thread because I heard some Jay-Z/Linkin Park colaboration stuff.

Aerosmith/Run DMC

2Pac & Phil Collins - In the air tonight

Since one of my fav bands is 311, and there are hard to classify, but would be close to Rock Rap, I would say rock rap can be awesome.

The Gorillaz:
Mr. Bungle:

Yeah, okay, slight problem here.

None of you have listed a single 'rock' band yet.

demograph68 · Dec 3, 2004, 12:06 AM

What's up with rap and excess, girls, money, fame.... The same reasons I hate the 80's in general.

JHromadka · Dec 3, 2004, 12:26 AM

Originally posted by Cipher13:
Yeah, okay, slight problem here.

None of you have listed a single 'rock' band yet.

Aerosmith isn't rock?

ringo · Dec 3, 2004, 05:57 AM

Originally posted by Cipher13:

None of you have listed a single 'rock' band yet.

I would respond that rock is a broad genre, but you have a smug little rolleyes at the end of your post, so you must be right.

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 3, 2004, 06:08 AM

i agree with cipher but i did not want to start a flame war

but i agree with ringo too

i find linkin park less annying than limp bizqit but very few of my favorite "guitar based alternative rock music" are in the top 10-20 anymore.

D'Espice · Dec 3, 2004, 07:25 AM

You can't just say it's all bad or all good. Like for example, I really hate Jay-Z (except for Hard Knock Life, that one I love) but I really like Linkin Park.

Sherwin · Dec 3, 2004, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by demograph68:
What's up with rap and excess, girls, money, fame.... The same reasons I hate the 80's in general.

Hmmm... I generally find that the only reasons that people hate the 80's are:

!) They weren't there.
!) They weren't getting any.
!) They're hippies.
!) They're commies.

So which is it?

Skip Breakfast · Dec 3, 2004, 11:28 AM

What's up with rap and excess, girls, money, fame....

Rock had that and fumbled. Rap just picked up the ball and ran away with it.

I think it was Flavor Flav who said that rap can't destroy rock and roll because rap IS rock and roll. It's a valid point if you really think about it.

DarwinX · Dec 3, 2004, 12:05 PM

I am a fan of Linkin Park even though it will probably get me flamed here for admitting it. I'm not going to try and state that they are the greatest thing everor one of the best ever(because quite obviously they're not), I just happen to like them and I enjoyed the Jay Z collaboration. I don't believe either was posing/selling out or whatever else, they just wanted to try do something fun, and it worked. More power to them. Thanks, just my two cents...flame away.

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 3, 2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by DarwinX:
I am a fan of Linkin Park even though it will probably get me flamed here for admitting it. I'm not going to try and state that they are the greatest thing everor one of the best ever(because quite obviously they're not), I just happen to like them and I enjoyed the Jay Z collaboration. I don't believe either was posing/selling out or whatever else, they just wanted to try do something fun, and it worked. More power to them. Thanks, just my two cents...flame away.

i like the point you made: it's merely entertainment

my beef is that their collaboration is like "damn yankees" in the 80s

iREZ · Dec 3, 2004, 01:53 PM

Mr. Bungle is Rap Rock? I dont think thats what they had in mind, more like Canevil Rock

Superchicken · Dec 3, 2004, 04:09 PM

Dude anyone who wants to say something is rock or not rock is an idiot these days.

There's Classic Rock, New Rock, Alt Rock etc. Rock is anything that's not Classical, not Country, and Not Rap. You want to say hey AC/DC, and some others are the ONLY Rock bands, then you don't understand things. Rock is an all inclusive Genre, like Punk or Emo. Just about anything these days can be called Punk or Emo, though calling anything Punk if it's not the Ramones or Sex Pistols or the Clash around some people might get a spike bracelet through your skull.

That said, I describe just about anything I hear on the Radio as Pop. To me Pop includes R&B and everything else that is played. Linkin Park, Nickleback etc... are trying to be rock... I guess they might be, but they're not that good.

That said I confess I tend to hate most new music since it's crap.

rozwado1 · Dec 3, 2004, 04:11 PM

One of my friends considers any song with a guitar in it as 'rock'. He also tries to eat his fingers.

Kenneth · Dec 3, 2004, 04:17 PM

up next: Kanye West and John Mayer.

ringo · Dec 3, 2004, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by iREZ:
Mr. Bungle is Rap Rock? I dont think thats what they had in mind, more like Canevil Rock

Never heard of Canevil Rock before, but I think songs like "Squeeze Me Macaroni" might qualify as something like rap/rock...the delivery of most of the verses sound a lot like rap to me, even if Mike Patton never seemed like a hip-hop guy.

Does Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" qualify, way ahead of its time?

Apple Pro Underwear · Dec 3, 2004, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Skip Breakfast:
I think it was Flavor Flav who said that rap can't destroy rock and roll because rap IS rock and roll. It's a valid point if you really think about it.

you know what? i think flava has a point here.

my views have changed and Me and Flava are agreed.

APU says:
RAP is Rock & Roll (in spirit)

so go with it, it's only music after all

DarwinX · Dec 3, 2004, 08:39 PM

You have to love music, it's definitely one of the most subjective topics around.