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MrForgetable · Dec 6, 2004, 09:17 PM

they beat all the teams they should have (by an average of 29.3 points?) and came relatively close to beating the #1 in BCS, USC. so all that matters is how bad one can blowout the other team? they did what they needed to do, and went and beat so. miss. which by the way should have been in september, so maybe if they ended the season with a 41-6 win over stanford, they might be in the rose bowl?

i think the WORST part is who is in the rose bowl now! sorry all you texas fans, but there are plenttttttty of good teams that are at least a little better than you.

yeah auburn was screwed pretty bad by the BCS too.

so, why are we still using the BCS?

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3221080

olePigeon · Dec 6, 2004, 09:34 PM

I thought Harvard was screwed by Yale.

ManOfSteal · Dec 6, 2004, 09:34 PM

Of course they were, as were countless teams that also have since the inception of the BCS formula system...it's horrible, and won't ever change...it will only get "enhanced/modified".

Super Nova · Dec 6, 2004, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by MrForgetable:
auburn was screwed pretty bad by the BCS too.

so, why are we still using the BCS?

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3221080

i totally agree. auburn had an amazing year, and they came out of nowhere! they had a great program this year, yet no recognition (not nearly what they deserved).

The BCS is an awful system, that cheats teams out of what they rightfully deserve.....

SuperNova

E's Lil Theorem · Dec 6, 2004, 10:05 PM

BCS - C [Cal] = BS

...from a sign at at the Miss State vs Cal game this past weekend.

It's a shame, really. Anyway, as a Cal alumnus, I was looking forward to going to the Rose Bowl game. At least we're resigning Tedford.

Super Nova · Dec 6, 2004, 10:10 PM

I still think Army vs. Navy Orange Bowl......

jk

SuperNova

Lancer409 · Dec 8, 2004, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by ManOfSteal:
Of course they were, as were countless teams that also have since the inception of the BCS formula system...it's horrible, and won't ever change...it will only get "enhanced/modified".

i keep hearing "Tweaked" ..

oh well .. after watching the bears toil in mediocrity ... (is that a word) for years .... i sorta expected something bad to happen in the end.... i mean ... sigh..

tavilach · Dec 8, 2004, 01:22 AM

I was also planning on going to the Rose Bowl to cheer for my Golden Bears

.

Aaron...Rodgers...clap clap...clap clap clap...
Roll...on...you...Bears...
First to ten, do it again!
Go! Bears!

Miniryu · Dec 8, 2004, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
BCS - C [Cal] = BS

...from a sign at at the Miss State vs Cal game this past weekend.

It's a shame, really. Anyway, as a Cal alumnus, I was looking forward to going to the Rose Bowl game. At least we're resigning Tedford.

Remember that USC got screwed last year, and they seemed content with what they have this year. Lets just look towards next year; things still look good with Tedford at the helm.

Super Nova · Dec 8, 2004, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Miniryu:
Remember that USC got screwed last year, and they seemed content with what they have this year. Lets just look towards next year; things still look good with Tedford at the helm.

unfortunately, a team can be great (ie Auburn) but the system can still benefit one team and screw another, regardless of their program....

SuperNova

Mafia · Dec 8, 2004, 10:26 PM

how about auburn! they got screwed.

Agasthya · Dec 8, 2004, 10:29 PM

Cal didn't get screwed. The human polls are wrong. Texas played a tougher schedule and deserved to be in a BCS game. The human polls place such an emphasis on WHEN you lose. That is completely absurd in my opinion. A loss is a loss regardless of when it happens.

It's funny how everyone wants to kill the BCS. Last year it was because there wasn't enough emphasis on the human polls. This year they put 3/4 emphasis on the human polls and only 1/4 on the computers (which are almost always right in terms of calculting who has a tougher schedule, etc). USC probably should be #2 and Oklahoma should be #1 but because of the emphasis on the human element (USC was preseason #1) USC haven't lost their #1 position.

Super Nova · Dec 8, 2004, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
Cal didn't get screwed. The human polls are wrong. Texas played a tougher schedule and deserved to be in a BCS game.

that is true

SuperNova

Walker · Dec 8, 2004, 10:38 PM

BCS sucks. To determine a true national champion there needs to be a playoff system. However, the current BCS is better than having no BSC and no playoffs like it used to be. At least we are getting 2 undefeated teams playing each other. If it were the old days, USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn would all be playing different opponents in their own conferences designated Bowl game.

Mafia · Dec 8, 2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Walker:
BCS sucks. To determine a true national champion there needs to be a playoff system. However, the current BCS is better than having no BSC and no playoffs like it used to be. At least we are getting 2 undefeated teams playing each other. If it were the old days, USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn would all be playing different opponents in their own conferences designated Bowl game.

that is true, the bcs is def. better then the old way. but its like a reporter said the bcs didn't count on 3 undefeated teams in one year. so when it happened they just kind of ignored it. until i see #'s 1-4 play in a playoff to determine national champion i will not be happy.

btw i'm an auburn fan

ManOfSteal · Dec 9, 2004, 07:14 AM

As a reward for not being in a BCS game, can the Cal Bears replace the Chicago Bears in the NFL instead?

Randman · Dec 9, 2004, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by tavilach:
Aaron...Rodgers...clap clap...clap clap clap...
Roll...on...you...Bears...
First to ten, do it again!
Go! Bears!

First to 10?

Don't you mean first and 10?

Also, I don't think Jonathon Quinn could start for the Cal Bears. Jeff George maybe.
I like the columnist who said Cal should boycott the bowls as a matter of principle.
That and send some nasty letters to the Texas folks who screwed y'all.

Arty50 · Dec 9, 2004, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
Cal didn't get screwed. The human polls are wrong. Texas played a tougher schedule and deserved to be in a BCS game.

Actually I'm going to have to disagree with this. Let's look at each of their losses.

Cal lost to the number 1 team in the nation. Cal dominated the stats in that game and at the very end had first and goal and 4 shots at the end zone. They didn't score and lost 23-17. In other words, they were very close to being undefeated and number 1 in the nation.

Cal vs. USC game summary

Texas lost to the number 2 team in the nation. They got blanked 12-0. It wasn't even close score wise or statistically, and definitely didn't come down to a last minute play.

Texas vs. Oklahoma game summary

itai195 · 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Arty50:
Actually I'm going to have to disagree with this. Let's look at each of their losses.

I agree. I also have to agree with Aaron Rodgers' comments that Mack Brown's begging for votes was pathetic and the fact that it worked reflects poorly the sport. Six coaches picked Cal lower than sixth in the final coaches poll. Excuse me? The previous week nobody picked Cal lower than sixth. Cal was screwed any way you slice it. Texas nearly lost to two losing teams. Cal only had one narrow win and it was against a team that had a winning record at the time. Cal nearly beat USC on the road in a close game, Texas lost to Oklahoma in neutral territory in a game that wasn't particularly close.

The #4 team in the nation doesn't get to play in an important bowl game, what a joke! It's unbelievable that politics, blowouts, and meaningless head to head matchups carry so much weight in college football. I don't usually watch college football, but this year I did due to the NHL lockout. Don't think I'll bother next year since it seems this kind of BS is rampant.

This league needs a real playoff system and until it has one I won't make the mistake of granting it any legitimacy again. The real problem with the BCS is that it totally fails to account for these 'unusual' situations that, surprise, seem to come up every year. Maybe they aren't so unusual after all. I feel bad for Auburn, but at least they're still in a BCS bowl.

Montezuma58 · 08:36 AM

Originally posted by itai195:
I agree. I also have to agree with Aaron Rodgers' comments that Mack Brown's begging for votes was pathetic and the fact that it worked reflects poorly the sport. Six coaches picked Cal lower than sixth in the final coaches poll. Excuse me? The previous week nobody picked Cal lower than sixth.

The voting by the coaches after the last week seemed inconsistent to me. USC lost about 1/4 of their first place votes after squeaking by UCLA. They did not loose anything like that when they squeaked by Stanford. OK did not loose votes on that scale when the narrowly escaped OK St. LSU did not loose much ground in the pole when they were in the top 3 and depended on a missed overtime extra point from Oregon St. to win.

Both AU and OK win their conference games. OK beats an unranked 7-4 team and gains 10 first place votes. Auburn wins against a tougher opponent, Tenn. a ranked team with 9 wins, yet only gains 2 first place votes. I guess all of those voters that switched to OK needed to see OK beat Colorado to be convinced that OK was the top team.

The sad part about this whole mess was that it would have turned out differently had the teams been ranked differently in the pre season. It sucks that the opinions about the teams before a down has been played count so much. They might as well had USC and OK play back in September and save everybody the hassle of the rest of the season.

And on the subject of pandering for votes, Charlotte Observer is not going to participate in the AP poll for this reason.