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Did Microsoft just beat Apple to spotlight?
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http://beta.toolbar.msn.com/
Sure it is not as good, but for for most people is will just be fine. Plus others will not be as impressed by Apples when it comes out sometime next year.
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Plus others will not be as impressed by Apples when it comes out sometime next year.
The same can be said for Google's Desktop Tool (others will not be as impressed), but I'm curious: how does a "beta" release "beat" Spotlight (which also isn't released yet)?
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Originally posted by saddino:
The same can be said for Google's Desktop Tool (others will not be as impressed), but I'm curious: how does a "beta" release "beat" Spotlight (which also isn't released yet)?
BEAT time-wise.
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
BEAT time-wise.
Spotlight has been beta for quite some time now...
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Originally posted by lngtones:
Spotlight has been beta for quite some time now...
but only available to a select few...
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Spotlight is not the same as this. This is only content search which has been available for Mac OS since OS 8. Spotlight is about creating a metadata database for your entire OS, something that won't be available for Windows until 2010 when WinFS is ready. You can practically search for any metadata. Bitrate of video and audio, color spaces, exposure, artists, composers, comments, ratings, last opened. Practically anything you can think of and then some. And how cool is Smart Folders? Desktop Search is a toy, while Spotlight will change the way you work.
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Originally posted by lngtones:
Spotlight has been beta for quite some time now...
Cool, where on Apples site can the public download it?
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Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Spotlight is not the same as this. This is only content search which has been available for Mac OS since OS 8. Spotlight is about creating a metadata database for your entire OS, something that won't be available for Windows until 2010 when WinFS is ready. You can practically search for any metadata. Bitrate of video and audio, color spaces, exposure, artists, composers, comments, ratings, last opened. Practically anything you can think of and then some. And how cool is Smart Folders? Desktop Search is a toy, while Spotlight will change the way you work.
Exactly.
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Users on all platforms have been clamoring for such search tools for years. Who gives a crap who is first?
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Originally posted by spacefreak:
Who gives a crap who is first?
People who would need this today.
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
People who would need this today.
How is this different than the file indexing that is already available in OS X?
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Cool, where on Apples site can the public download it?
Here
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What the nerd community most often fail to realize is that all features aren't equal. A well implemented and well integrated feature in a convenient interface is worth way more than the same feature implemented crappy, or accessed through a annoying interface.
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hey guys, I just posted a picture from over a year ago in another thread! 
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Originally posted by Amorya:
Here
Where on Apple's site can the public download it before mid-2005?
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Originally posted by Amorya:
Here
Wow, free for the public starting today? Who knew.
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One of these days, MilkmanDan will post something when he's sober.
As for Windows Spotlight, who cares, its Microsoft, it'll be crap.
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Where on Apple's site can the public download it before mid-2005?
You can download it now from the link I posted 
After coughing up your $500 of course.
Wow, free for the public starting today? Who knew.
Hey, no-one specified free 
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Originally posted by Amorya:
You can download it now from the link I posted
After coughing up your $500 of course.
And waiting 6+ months
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
And waiting 6+ months
Nah, you can just get it off torrent.
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*Cough!* LaunchBar*Cough!*
Lets not forget that both companies stole their idea...
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
And waiting 6+ months
I don't know why I'm arguing this one, since it was just meant to be a passing gag, but the page does say Start your Tiger development today. There's no waiting to download the beta, once you've spent your $$. (I don't think - if it comes on a CD then it might be a few days but AFAIK you can just download it.)
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Originally posted by ajprice:
One of these days, MilkmanDan will post something when he's sober.
As for Windows Spotlight, who cares, its Microsoft, it'll be crap.
I am soooo sober right now. Though I do need some cereal. Corn Flakes anyone?
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Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
And waiting 6+ months
Wow. Apple must send me Tiger dev dvds from the future.
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Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
http://beta.toolbar.msn.com/
Sure it is not as good, but for for most people is will just be fine. Plus others will not be as impressed by Apples when it comes out sometime next year.
try Apple + F
Apple even gives you more options!!!
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Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Spotlight is not the same as this. This is only content search which has been available for Mac OS since OS 8. Spotlight is about creating a metadata database for your entire OS, something that won't be available for Windows until 2010 when WinFS is ready. You can practically search for any metadata. Bitrate of video and audio, color spaces, exposure, artists, composers, comments, ratings, last opened.
Actually, MS's search toolbar does that as well... find as you type metadata searches on e-mails, attachments, office documents, contacts, music, images, video, etc. It groups the results very much like Spotlight does and also can be used like Quicksilver/Launchbar or as a simple command line.
MS's search toolbar seems to use an indexing engine based off of XP's Indexing Service. Consequently, Indexing Service IFilters seem to work with it, for example the old Adobe PDF IFilter. IFilters are the equivalent of Spotlight Importers, they allow developers to show Indexing Service how to search and extract metadata from custom file formats it may not understand yet. The change with MS's Toolbar is that Indexing Service was incredibly complicated to set up, especially to enable metadata indexing, and searching metadata with it was a huge PITA (it required the use of a pretty arcane querying language). The Search Toolbar makes the above easily accessible to normal users.
And how cool is Smart Folders?
You can create shortcuts to MSN Desktop Search queries so whenever you click them you get a current version of the results. Of course that's not nearly as nice as Smart Folders sounds like it's going to be.
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It's clear they spent the last 4 months developing this to beat Apple on the idea. Who knows if they were working on it before Spotlight was announced, but it's pretty bad form at how much they seem to be copying from it, even down to the catch phrase.
Do they have any improvements to the idea or did they not even bother trying to expand it. Surely there could be something done to enhance it.
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My guess is it's more because they're worried about Google's desktop search (or to a much lesser extent the upcoming entries from Yahoo and Ask Jeeves)... at least that's how the tech press always covered it.
Both MS and Google's desktop search announcements predate Tiger's. The Yahoo and Ask Jeeves announcements are very recent.
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