[Zimmerman]

Got word from a friend that Chrysler is trying to apply the Formula (think Fight Club) to it's late model cars. He'd had 2002 Intrepid engine worked on twice for transmission problems while under warranty and three months after warranty the power train shat on him again but since it's no longer warrantied they tried to stick him with a $1670 bill. He screamed to high holy heaven since he'd engine had such a history of issues (low mileage, mind you) and they doted him some reprieve, down the the tune of $250. Then he digs up http://www.dontbuyone.org/ and discovers all kinds of dirt on Chrysler. Smells like old fish to me an 'thought any of y'all who own low mileage Chrysler autos might want to take a look see.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Hasn't this been the case for at least 10 years?

[rozwado1]

Chrysler is junk, move on. **Insert Kilbey's pro-UAW post here**

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by rozwado1:
Chrysler is junk, move on. **Insert Kilbey's pro-UAW post here**

You don't pay very good attention. Hence your knee-jerk reaction post.

I have stated often that I think Daimler-Chrysler autos are junk. Great designs, bad engineering.

The only Dodge I like is the Neon and simply because it is a great deal for the dollar. Oh, and I like the looks of the new Magnum, but it's track record it too short for me to determine long term viability.



Now GM/UAW cars on the other hand...

[Zimmerman]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Hasn't this been the case for at least 10 years?

I dunno. I was thinking they were money, what with turning out some sweet designs with the PT Cruiser, 300m, 300c, Intrepid, Crossfire... and so on. That and their relationship with Diamler-Benz would HOPEFULLY improve their engineering. I guess not. Cheap American auto manufacturors will be cheap American aut manufacturors. Good to see the Big Three staying the course.

[rozwado1]

Originally posted by Zimmerman:
with turning out some sweet designs with the PT Cruiser, 300m, ... Intrepid ...

LOL.

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by rozwado1:
Chrysler is junk, move on.

No, it's not. Most taxis use Daimler because they are very reliable.

[Zimmerman]

Originally posted by rozwado1:
LOL.

Hey, I think they're pretty neat. Layoff.

[d0ubled0wn]

DC lost me as a customer after they refused to repair my Durango for rust under warranty.

My 2000 Durango started rusting on the body above the rear wheel well. Durangos are covered under a 5 yr warranty against corrosion. The local dealership wasn't authorized to approve warranty repairs for rust, so I had to wait over a month for a DC rep to show up. I took my vehicle in when the rep was there. He looked it over and basically said that a "stick or something" must have come up and damaged the body which then caused rust to appear, therefore it wouldn't be covered under warranty. I strongly disagreed with him but he wouldn't give me the benefit of the doubt. Instead he offered a paltry discount on the repair and said he hoped to keep me as a customer. :flip-off:

I took the vehicle to a small town paint & body shop who repaired it for the half the cost of the dealership (even with the discount). Then I traded it in for a VW Passat. So long a$$holes.

[xi_hyperon]

I've never owned one, and only know of their quality anecdotally. I know quite a few people at work who drive a Chrysler and have had them in the garage a few times, except for those who are driving Dodge trucks (is the truck quality better?). My boss drives a newer Dodge minivan and it's already been in 3 or 4 times for transmission problems. I know because I am the one who picks her up and drops her off at the dealership.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
No, it's not. Most taxis use Daimler because they are very reliable.

a) this is about the American half - Chrysler - which DaimlerChrysler are having FAR more problems with than Daimler-Benz anticipated before the fusion.

b) Any and every cabbie I've talked to - and a friend of mine who works for Daimler - have said the same thing: Daimler-Benz have turned out mostly garbage over the past years. Electrical problems galore are just the icing.

One problem is the desire/pressure to put out completely new cars all the time. Each model change requires new tools for production AND maintenance (which is one reason why stuff is changed - it drives customers to Mercedes dealerships for repairs, rather than the competent mechanic around the corner, who won't have the necessary newest tools, and a lot of real money is in support). This also means that there is little prior production experience or feedback to work off, so each new series has its own slew of problems that need to be worked out over time, unless the new model succeeds it before then.

Prime examples of rolling crap thus made: A-Klasse and Vito.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
I've never owned one, and only know of their quality anecdotally. I know quite a few people at work who drive a Chrysler and have had them in the garage a few times, except for those who are driving Dodge trucks (is the truck quality better?). My boss drives a newer Dodge minivan and it's already been in 3 or 4 times for transmission problems.

Oooh - same base transmission as the Mercedes vito perhaps?

They're notorious for crap transmissions. Might be the Spanish manufacturing plant though - the MB100, previously built in the same plants as now the vito, is notorious for transmission probs, as well.

-s*

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

I love their EXTERIOR designs of some on their cards but everything on the inside is junk.

[RGB]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
No, it's not. Most taxis use Daimler because they are very reliable.

Only taxis I see in the Chicago area are Crown Vics, Impalas, or Windstars

[Oneota]

I've never had any problems with my 2000 300M, but this anecdotal evidence is disconcerting. Thus far, however, my car's been trouble-free. Meanwhile, my boss can't wait to get rid of his in-the-shop-more-than-it's-on-the-road VW Jetta wagon.

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by RGB:
Only taxis I see in the Chicago area are Crown Vics, Impalas, or Windstars

Most taxis here are Daimler-Benz.

Both my brother and my uncle have 20+ years Mercedes with more than 200.000 km and still working.

I never heard about Vito.

[dampeoples]

Nothing scientific or even with a web-link, so it mustn't be true!...

But a lot of my coworkers (I'm a rural leter carrier) won't use Dodge vehicles because of the transmission problems. We are pretty hard on them, and our vehicles are our paycheck, so I listen to them

I've always owned GM products, and had good service out of them, I currently deliver on a Blazer, and will soon purchase a Lumina after the holiday package rush goes away.

on the other hand, most of my immediate family uses Dodge vehicles, and get good service from them, so go figure.

[Jim Paradise]

From experience they have horrible service and try to screw you for every dollar they possibly can.

[Randman]

First rule of Fight Club Formula: Don't talk about Fight Club Formula.

[Lancer409]

what's the dirt on mitsubishi's?

[fireside]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Both my brother and my uncle have 20+ years Mercedes with more than 200.000 km and still working.

two hundred kilometers isn't that much.

[RGB]

Originally posted by Lancer409:
what's the dirt on mitsubishi's?

They're currently denying rumors that they're going to leave the American market.

[Randman]

Originally posted by fireside:
two hundred kilometers isn't that much.

So naive. British numeration uses a . (fullstop aka period) rather than , on large numbers. Hence, 200.000km = 200,000km.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Most taxis here are Daimler-Benz.

Both my brother and my uncle have 20+ years Mercedes with more than 200.000 km and still working.

The neat thing is, at 200 000, they're barely broken in. The older ones will easily do 700 000 kilometers and more on the first engine.

Unfortunately, just about nothing post-about-96 will ever make it that far.

Originally posted by TETENAL:
I never heard about Vito.

A fifteen-second Google image search can fix that:

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Randman:
So naive. British numeration uses a . (fullstop aka period) rather than , on large numbers. Hence, 200.000km = 200,000km.

I note you failed to quote the "wink" smiley.

Good job.

[Randman]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
I note you failed to quote the "wink" smiley.

Actually, I did notice it. I just didn't add my own "wink" in.

[fireside]

Originally posted by Randman:
So naive. British numeration uses a . (fullstop aka period) rather than , on large numbers. Hence, 200.000km = 200,000km.

i thought they didn't use anything, just a space.


ps: separating the whole from the decimals using a comma sux.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fireside:
ps: separating the whole from the decimals using a comma sux.

no it doesn't.

[fireside]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
no it doesn't.

look, i'm from florida, and florida is part of the usa, and the usa is always right.




ps: okay maybe it doesn't suck but i don't get the reasoning behind it.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by fireside:
look, i'm from florida, and florida is part of the usa, and the usa is always right.




ps: okay maybe it doesn't suck but i don't get the reasoning behind it.

If you'll kindly explain the "reasoning" behind using a decimal point instead - especially considering that the point is the universal symbol for multiplication - perhaps we can help.

[badidea]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
No, it's not. Most taxis use Daimler because they are very reliable.

You live in the past!

[the_glassman]

Originally posted by Lancer409:
what's the dirt on mitsubishi's?

They needed to call Chrysler in to help improve their quality, so what's that tell you?
Now Chrysler wants nothing to do with them.

[fireside]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
If you'll kindly explain the "reasoning" behind using a decimal point instead - especially considering that the point is the universal symbol for multiplication - perhaps we can help.

i don't know the reasoning.

:o

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by Randman:
So naive. British numeration uses a . (fullstop aka period) rather than , on large numbers.

Rubbish.

Correct British use is: 2,000,000.00 (exactly the same as the American use).

Continental Europe uses 2.000.000,00 - we don't.

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by Lancer409:
what's the dirt on mitsubishi's?

In 2,000 years when they're digging up bit of broken pottery from our civilisation, they'll be digging up whole Mitsubishi's which still run (assuming that anyone still has any fuel left to try them with).

(that's the Jap 4x4 Mitsi's anyways - don't know about US product quality)

[TETENAL]

Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I was inattentive.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

My mom and sister used to like Chryslers for leasing. They traded to a new model of Neon every two years. Because they just don't last long.

But even that turned into an annoying cycle of repairs for all sorts of things that 10 years ago were never a quality concern.

Now they're with Nissans and Toyotas.

As for me, I'm celebrating the 16th birthday of my Ford Aerostar. Original transmission and 69k.

[MilkmanDan]

Originally posted by Randman:
First rule of Fight Club Formula: Don't talk about Fight Club Formula.

The first rule of Chrysler is: Don't talk about Chrysler.