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Thilo Ettelt · 06:17 AM

Birth of christ and all I got was this lousy.... Apple mug! weee

- Thilo

Randman · Dec 25, 2004, 05:11 AM

Christ wasn't born on Dec 25, so be happy with the mug. It's more than he got.

Thilo Ettelt · Dec 25, 2004, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
Christ wasn't born on Dec 25, so be happy with the mug. It's more than he got.

I got the mug on Dec. 24th, as we, here in Germany, celebrate Christmas eve on Dec. 24th.

- Thilo

roberto blanco · Dec 25, 2004, 05:19 AM

may your cup always runneth over...

Randman · Dec 25, 2004, 05:20 AM

Actually, Jesus (messiah or not) was likely born in March or April as the census and taxation took place normally at the beginning of the harvest season. If not, it was at the end of the harvest season and Octoberish.

Dec 25 was a pagan holiday that early Christian leaders "adopted" as Christ's birthday.

Cubeoid · Dec 25, 2004, 07:24 AM

That's a pretty sweet mug. Rock on dude! Rock on!

Thilo Ettelt · Dec 25, 2004, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Cubeoid:
That's a pretty sweet mug. Rock on dude! Rock on!

Just waiting for Mr. Jobs to call me and offer a job to me

- Thilo

mdc · Dec 25, 2004, 08:24 AM

that's a really nice mug.

i think due to the fact that usps (united states postal service) is not delivering yesterday or today (or just the fact that they are taking ages) my gift is not going to arrive until next week some time.

oh well. cheers (prost was it?) to you and yours.

Oneota · Dec 25, 2004, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
I got the mug on Dec. 24th, as we, here in Germany, celebrate Christmas eve on Dec. 24th.

...I think everyone celebrates Christmas Eve on Dec. 24th (what with Christmas proper usually being on the 25th 'n all).

wdlove · Dec 25, 2004, 10:35 AM

I think that is a very nice Mug. After all it's the thought that counts.

Cadaver · Dec 25, 2004, 11:03 AM

Yeah, especially since this thread is about the bith of Christ.
Maybe I just don't know since I'm not Christian, but what's a bith anyway?

ambush · Dec 25, 2004, 11:14 AM

pathetic world.

Thilo Ettelt · Dec 25, 2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Cadaver:
Yeah, especially since this thread is about the bith of Christ.
Maybe I just don't know since I'm not Christian, but what's a bith anyway?

it's a typo. i'm sorry.

- Thilo

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 25, 2004, 11:30 AM

"bith" that is killer

Randman · Dec 25, 2004, 11:37 AM

Life's a bith.

Luca Rescigno · Dec 25, 2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Cadaver:
Maybe I just don't know since I'm not Christian, but what's a bith anyway?

jonn804 · Dec 25, 2004, 12:37 PM

Myth, fiction

Superchicken · Dec 26, 2004, 12:09 AM

You know... I got salvation and a personal relationship with God as a result... though I'd also like a mug like that... We'll have to talk to God about that...

The Mick · Dec 26, 2004, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
Actually, Jesus (messiah or not) was likely born in March or April as the census and taxation took place normally at the beginning of the harvest season. If not, it was at the end of the harvest season and Octoberish.

Dec 25 was a pagan holiday that early Christian leaders "adopted" as Christ's birthday.

Not only that, but Jesus was likely born in 6 B.C. due to miscalculations by Dionysius Exiguus when constructing the modern Christian calendar. Some people now believe the star of Bethlehem was actually the retrograde motion of the planet Jupiter, which appeared in the constellation of Aries on April 17, 6 B.C. That is when these same people believed the 3 kings set out to find the new King of the Jews (probably Jesus' birthday). They are believed to have arrived in Bethlehem when Jupiter came to rest above the city and began moving back towards the West again on December 19, 6 B.C., some 8 months after his birth. So I guess this upcoming Christmas could (should?) technically be April 17th, 2011 A.D.

mrtew · Dec 26, 2004, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
You know... I got salvation and a personal relationship with God as a result... though I'd also like a mug like that... We'll have to talk to God about that...

You know those are just voices in your head, right? You can't have a 'personal relationship' with your own imagination.

paully dub · Dec 26, 2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
You know... I got salvation and a personal relationship with God as a result... though I'd also like a mug like that... We'll have to talk to God about that...

Could you ask him to, like, chill for us? These earthquakes,hurricanes, tsunamis and so on are really starting to bum me out.

yukon · Dec 26, 2004, 04:53 PM

Happy Saturnalia everyone ;-)

Mastrap · Dec 26, 2004, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by yukon:
Happy Saturnalia everyone ;-)

"It also degenerated from mostly tomfoolery, marked chiefly by having masters and slaves switch places, to sometimes debauchery, so that among Christians the (lower case) word "saturnalia" came to mean "orgy."

I'm up for that.

MacNStein · Dec 26, 2004, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by paully dub:
Could you ask him to, like, chill for us? These earthquakes,hurricanes, tsunamis and so on are really starting to bum me out.

Yes, He said move away from the coast... or are you missing the signs?

Superchicken · Dec 26, 2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by mrtew:
You know those are just voices in your head, right? You can't have a 'personal relationship' with your own imagination.

You know, it's impressive that you claim to know what's in my head... being telepathic must almost be as impressive as hearing God... though you're not very good at it it seems

Zimphire · Dec 26, 2004, 11:59 PM

Thilo Ettelt · Dec 27, 2004, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
You know, it's impressive that you claim to know what's in my head... being telepathic must almost be as impressive as hearing God... though you're not very good at it it seems

It's called Psychology, not Telephaty. You again assume the supernatural.

- Thilo

macroy · Dec 27, 2004, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by The Mick:
Not only that, but Jesus was likely born in 6 B.C. due to miscalculations by Dionysius Exiguus when constructing the modern Christian calendar. Some people now believe the star of Bethlehem was actually the retrograde motion of the planet Jupiter, which appeared in the constellation of Aries on April 17, 6 B.C. That is when these same people believed the 3 kings set out to find the new King of the Jews (probably Jesus' birthday). They are believed to have arrived in Bethlehem when Jupiter came to rest above the city and began moving back towards the West again on December 19, 6 B.C., some 8 months after his birth. So I guess this upcoming Christmas could (should?) technically be April 17th, 2011 A.D.

My wife (Middle school teacher) told me they stopped using B.C. and A.D. in schools - They have more PC terms for them now....

budster101 · Dec 27, 2004, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
Birth of christ and all I got was this lousy.... Apple mug! weee

- Thilo

Wait, it was *his* birthday after all. What did you get him?

paully dub · Dec 27, 2004, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by budster101:
Wait, it was *his* birthday after all. What did you get him?

Technically it wasn't his birthday.

And besides what do you get for the man who has everything?

tooki · Dec 27, 2004, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by macroy:
My wife (Middle school teacher) told me they stopped using B.C. and A.D. in schools - They have more PC terms for them now....

Yup, "CE" and "BCE" -- "common era" and "before common era".

I, aside from my usual knee-jerk reflex to PC condemnation of any good word, argue that "CE" and "BCE" are even less PC than AD and BC -- calling it "common era" implies that it is common to all, which is most certainly not true. BC and AD, while clearly religiously based, don't imply that you believe in Christ.

CE and BCE are still based on Christ, and by calling it "common", it is even less inclusive. (Try telling the Chinese that it's the "common era".)

I for one refuse to use CE/BCE.

tooki

Eug Wanker · Dec 27, 2004, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

Yup.

The Bith species of humanoid are characterized by their large craniums, huge round, lidless eyes, and tiny mouths under their fleshy face folds. They are found throughout the galaxy, from the backwater dives of the Outer Rim Territories, to the Jedi order on Coruscant during the time of the Galactic Republic.

Originally posted by mrtew:
You know those are just voices in your head, right?

MacNStein · Dec 27, 2004, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
It's called Psychology, not Telephaty. You again assume the supernatural.

- Thilo

You were the one claiming to know what's on his mind, Spock.

jcadam · Dec 27, 2004, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
Yup, "CE" and "BCE" -- "common era" and "before common era".

I, aside from my usual knee-jerk reflex to PC condemnation of any good word, argue that "CE" and "BCE" are even less PC than AD and BC -- calling it "common era" implies that it is common to all, which is most certainly not true. BC and AD, while clearly religiously based, don't imply that you believe in Christ.

CE and BCE are still based on Christ, and by calling it "common", it is even less inclusive. (Try telling the Chinese that it's the "common era".)

I for one refuse to use CE/BCE.

tooki

I remember hearing about this my freshman year of college. I was a CS major, and sitting in one of those mandatory liberal arts classes (political science, I believe). Anyway, we were reading in the text, and the instructor came across BCE.

"BCE, what does that mean?" says the instructor

some PC-sheep/female rich-girl liberal arts major raises her hand.
"Oh, it means Before the Common Era, it's a new term to replace Before Christ. So if you are a Muslim or Atheist you won't be offended by the way the west has divided history."

"Wow, that's interesting" says the instructor.

"Wow, that's retarded", says I, under my breath.
A quick to offend girl (with learning disabilities) sitting nearby heard me, and in a not so quiet voice said "EXCUSE ME, WOULD YOU MIND NOT SAYING THAT, BECAUSE I'M RETARDED AND IT OFFENDS ME"

The response she got from me was simply:

Spheric Harlot · Dec 27, 2004, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
Birth of christ and all I got was this lousy.... Apple mug! weee

From Gravis, by any chance?

BRussell · Dec 27, 2004, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Randman:
Actually, Jesus (messiah or not) was likely born in March or April as the census and taxation took place normally at the beginning of the harvest season. If not, it was at the end of the harvest season and Octoberish.

My impression is that most scholars don't believe the census story is even true. It was just a way of coming up with a story in which Jesus (of Nazareth) got to Bethlehem to be born, where the Gospel writers believed the Messiah should have been born because Bethlehem was the city of David. I doubt there's a shred of factual truth in any of the Christmas story. Unlike the Easter story, which I think probably has the basic facts down correctly.

Superchicken · Dec 27, 2004, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Thilo Ettelt:
It's called Psychology, not Telephaty. You again assume the supernatural.

- Thilo

It's called... what exactly is IT? The assumptions you make upon my character and my mental health without having a chance to actually examine me? I thought psychology was the study of how the mind works? Not the knee jerk assumptions made by an ignorant intolerant, not to mention small minded individual?
I would suggest you not claim your assumptions to be psychology, you make those of us who actually give thought to the study of the mind look bad.

Spheric Harlot · Dec 27, 2004, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
It's called... what exactly is IT? The assumptions you make upon my character and my mental health without having a chance to actually examine me?

To be fair, you do have an illustrious board history.

Superchicken · Dec 27, 2004, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
To be fair, you do have an illustrious board history.

True but psycoanalyzing someone based on a message board is not always the wisest thing, and certainly not the me that I present on here

TheBadgerHunter · Dec 27, 2004, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
True but psycoanalyzing someone based on a message board is not always the wisest thing, and certainly not the me that I present on here

Mrtew made the comment that it was just inside your head, not Thilo. He just jumped on the wagon hoping to get a few good insults in.

Claiming to have a personal relationship with God.. how many people could resist biting?

Superchicken · Dec 27, 2004, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Mrtew made the comment that it was just inside your head, not Thilo. He just jumped on the wagon hoping to get a few good insults in.

Claiming to have a personal relationship with God.. how many people could resist biting?

Woops, sorry, this is the problem with having witty retorts over the space of a few days... or hours or... I'm tired... I just had my wisdom teeth out leave me alone

Thilo Ettelt · Dec 27, 2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
It's called... what exactly is IT? The assumptions you make upon my character and my mental health without having a chance to actually examine me? I thought psychology was the study of how the mind works? Not the knee jerk assumptions made by an ignorant intolerant, not to mention small minded individual?
I would suggest you not claim your assumptions to be psychology, you make those of us who actually give thought to the study of the mind look bad.

I was only refering to psychology which he was using for his assumptions and did not use telepathy. I also tried to emphasize that you think the way every human being thinks. Thus psychology works here neatly, instead of telepathy, since we're only looking for your motives and not what is actually happening (whether there's a god talking to you in your brain or not). He did not state it, but "voices in your head", imho, implied a psychological disease. That's why i corrected you with your supernatural assumption (that he was doing telepathy). Sorry to drag you out of your spiritual life down to earth.

- Thilo