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Michael1980 · Jan 3, 2005, 07:06 PM

Hi, I heard this before a few times and never really paid attention to it. Is this true? Did MS invest in Apple in the 90's?

BRussell · Jan 3, 2005, 07:11 PM

It's not 40% though, by a long shot. It was 150 million I think, and some agreements re: lawsuits and MS software for the Mac.

DeathMan · Jan 3, 2005, 07:12 PM

Microsoft owns 99% of Apple. Jobs owns the other 1%. If it weren't for MS saving their butts in the 90s, Apple would be dead by now.

Michael1980 · Jan 3, 2005, 07:12 PM

Damn, so does anyone have a percentage of shares owned by MS?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 3, 2005, 07:14 PM

It was also NON-Voting shares.

Superchicken · Jan 3, 2005, 07:17 PM

You fail as a person.

Nodnarb · Jan 3, 2005, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
You fail as a person.

haha that made me literally laugh out loud.

Sealobo · Jan 3, 2005, 07:22 PM

Microsoft.pwn3d(Apple)

Kilbey · Jan 3, 2005, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
I fail as a person.

Fixed.

TheBadgerHunter · Jan 3, 2005, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Fixed.

Why do you have to be a dick? Is it really worth the 20 seconds you lose? Why not just save some time and be nice.

Michael1980 · Jan 3, 2005, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Superchicken:
You fail as a person.

Was this remark directed to me?

Kilbey · Jan 3, 2005, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Why do you have to be a dick? Is it really worth the 20 seconds you lose? Why not just save some time and be nice.

Yet no comment towards the chicken? hmmm...

"that said" maybe you should just stay out of it?

There are reasons for everything I do on here. I am showing the hypocrisy of the chicken's actions. I am sure the reason you posted was to defend a canadian.

Besides, I am bored at work and this is a good way to kill time.

Kilbey · Jan 3, 2005, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Michael1980:
Was this remark directed to me?

Yup, he was being an ass. Welcome to da forums. Not all of the canadians on here are jerks.

Oneota · Jan 3, 2005, 07:39 PM

Microsoft doesn't own any percentage of Apple now.

Back when Apple was in real trouble, MS bought 150 million shares of non-voting stock (in other words, they had no control of the company, just a financial interest in the company's continued existence). In return, several patent disputes were resolved, Apple got a guarantee that Office for the Mac would continue to exist, and Internet Explorer became the default browser on the Mac.

Microsoft has since sold all those shares, from what I recall, and obviously Apple is no longer required to make IE the default browser (since that honor now falls to Safari).

So, the quick answer to your question is "no".

alphasubzero949 · Jan 3, 2005, 08:06 PM

Quick, someone call for the waaambulance...

mitchell_pgh · Jan 3, 2005, 08:22 PM

150 million of a 4+ billion dollar company (at the time). You do the math.

ReggieX · Jan 3, 2005, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Back when Apple was in real trouble, MS bought 150 million shares of non-voting stock (in other words,

150 million DOLLARS of shares, not 150 million shares. The other posters are right, it was NEVER near 40%.

Oneota · 09:19 PM

Originally posted by ReggieX:
150 million DOLLARS of shares, not 150 million shares. The other posters are right, it was NEVER near 40%.

Ah; my bad. Thanks for the correction. I knew it was, overall, a trivial amount of the company, but not knowing how many shares there were total, I took a guess as to which unit the 150 million applied to (actually, I just had a brain fart, but the first explanation seemed less plausible).

ReggieX · Jan 3, 2005, 09:32 PM

Either way, Oneota, MS made some pretty good money of the sale of those shares.

kmkkid · Jan 3, 2005, 10:10 PM

tsk tsk, I see some christians who are going to hell for their sins

meh, C'est la vie.

Chris

James L · Jan 3, 2005, 10:13 PM

Your Apple history site:

http://www.apple-history.com/frames/

Cubeoid · Jan 3, 2005, 10:53 PM

for all

Kilbey · Jan 3, 2005, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
tsk tsk, I see some christians who are going to hell for their sins

meh, C'est la vie.

Chris

And out of nowhere you come out with your ignorance.

You truly do not understand Christianity. It is getting quite sad that it has been explained to you so many times, in very small simple words a two year old can understand, and yet you still don't get it.

ambush · Jan 3, 2005, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Fixed.

You're so clever and funny. Can I subscribe to your fan boy club??

Kilbey · Jan 3, 2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
You're so clever and funny. Can I subscribe to your fan boy club??

You are one of my biggest members already. Your dues are paid in full by your immaturity and stalking behavior.

ambush · Jan 3, 2005, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You are one of my biggest members already. Your dues are paid in full by your immaturity and stalking behavior.

My dream is to meet you in real life.

SeSawaya · Jan 4, 2005, 01:00 AM

$150 million seems like chump change to the billionairs involved. What was the point again?

Link · Jan 4, 2005, 01:04 AM

It was an agreement between apple and MS, MS would make office for mac if apple distributed macs with IE (for the most part), and I'm guessing to look good they put in 150 million bucks to save their butts for the antitrust case.

Of course, after the dems left office, they won the antitrust case anyway.

shabbasuraj · Jan 4, 2005, 01:08 AM

I OWN APPLE.

brapper · Jan 4, 2005, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by shabbasuraj:
I OWN APPLE.

me tooo and three!!!

Spheric Harlot · Jan 4, 2005, 06:17 AM

edit: ah, never mind

E's Lil Theorem · Jan 4, 2005, 11:16 AM

Get a sense of who really owns AAPL here.

kmkkid · Jan 4, 2005, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
And out of nowhere you come out with your ignorance.

You truly do not understand Christianity. It is getting quite sad that it has been explained to you so many times, in very small simple words a two year old can understand, and yet you still don't get it.

I'm sorry, was I speaking to you?

Chris

TheBadgerHunter · Jan 4, 2005, 04:59 PM

Looks like ambush was banninated.

storer · Jan 4, 2005, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Looks like ambush was banninated.

Why this time?

Kilbey · Jan 4, 2005, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by kmkkid:
I'm sorry, was I speaking to you?

Chris

Apology accept.

I don't know who you were talking to. But I was talking to you.

thesearcher · Jan 4, 2005, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
Get a sense of who really owns AAPL here.

M$FT is worth less than AAPL. Wouldn't have guessed that.

BRussell · Jan 4, 2005, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by thesearcher:
M$FT is worth less than AAPL. Wouldn't have guessed that.

Nah, stock price doesn't mean anything. You have to take the number of shares that people own into consideration, and that gives you the total market capitalization, or "size," of the company. For Apple it's like 25 billion, and for MSFT it's over 10 times that.