[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Ok seasons 1 & 2 was some of the worst TV ever. But season 3 was incredible and 4th is just as good. Sad thing is I don't think they could win people back after the first 2 seasons and moving it to Friday nights just made things worse.

Well at least Battlestar can pick up the slack.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/020205_04.shtml

[kiwibabe]

About time it wa cancelled I couldn't stand the program especially since Scott Bakula was in it.

Are they planning a different series?

[effgee]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
... Well at least Battlestar can pick up the slack. ...

The first "season" of BSG is only 13 episodes. From what I hear they not only have not been picked up for a continuation of that first season and/or a second one - there also aren't any scripts for a continuation of the story yet.



And the 13th episode ends with >>>don't be so nosy! if you must know, go to televisionwithoutpity.com - there you can find out how it ended<<<

[kmkkid]

Is that the star trek that was on space sunday nights at 8?

If so, THANK GOD. I couldnt suffer through another episode of that crappy show.

(my bf loves the space channel and we fight every sunday on whether I get to watch simpsons or he gets to watch star trek. I usually win )


Chris

[blackbird_1.0]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Ok seasons 1 & 2 was some of the worst TV ever. But season 3 was incredible and 4th is just as good. Sad thing is I don't think they could win people back after the first 2 seasons and moving it to Friday nights just made things worse.

Well at least Battlestar can pick up the slack.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/020205_04.shtml

The guy who cancelled it also calls some of the shots at Paramount. Moonves doesn't really care for the Trek franchise, so unless Paramount gets rid of Trek to another, there won't be any for a while.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by kiwibabe:
Are they planning a different series?

All the Paramount folks have said star trek needs to take a break. They have over-saturated the market with it by having 2 tv shows on at the same time and movies (the last movie also bombed).

I agree with them, they need to wait 2 years and come back with a much darker gritty show that is more realistic in terms of human flaws.

[spatterson]

That blows!!!

[TailsToo]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
All the Paramount folks have said star trek needs to take a break. They have over-saturated the market with it by having 2 tv shows on at the same time and movies (the last movie also bombed).

I agree with them, they need to wait 2 years and come back with a much darker gritty show that is more realistic in terms of human flaws.

[Rev-O]

It was weak, and it needed to be culled from the herd.
Agree with Severed's notion of an edgy/gritty Star Trek. That I might watch.

[Spliff]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
I agree with them, they need to wait 2 years and come back with a much darker gritty show that is more realistic in terms of human flaws.

Or you could watch all five seasons of Babylon 5. Seriously, after watching B5, I couldn't stand the simplicity of Star Trek story lines and characterization.

[kiwibabe]

Originally posted by Spliff:
Or you could watch all five seasons of Babylon 5. Seriously, after watching B5, I couldn't stand the simplicity of Star Trek story lines and characterization.

Sometimes tho you need the simplicity of Star Trek to blob out to in front of the TV and watch some sci fi/fantasy.

[Spliff]

Originally posted by kiwibabe:
Sometimes tho you need the simplicity of Star Trek to blob out to in front of the TV and watch some sci fi/fantasy.

For that, I watch Red Dwarf

[Eug Wanker]

Too bad. It was a much better show than ST: TNG or DS9. Nothing tops the Kirk unit though.



Well, nothing except Spock:



I do like Battlestar Galactica though. That will have to do.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Too bad. It was a much better show than ST: TNG or DS9.

Ah no, if you watched all of DS9 the cool thing was it was pretty much a 7 year long episode which was really cool.

The characters on Enterprise were never as cool as TNG. Other than T'pal

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ah no, if you watched all of DS9 the cool thing was it was pretty much a 7 year long episode which was really cool.

The characters on Enterprise were never as cool as TNG. Other than T'pal

Sisko is an even more melodramatic actor than the Kirk unit.

TNG had Deanna "State the obvious" Troi, and William "I should be shot" Riker. And of course, WESLEY!!!



And Enterprise is in High Def.

[Spliff]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Too bad. It was a much better show than ST: TNG or DS9. Nothing tops the Kirk unit though.

The original had the best crew chemistry

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:

TNG had Deanna "State the obvious" Troi, and William "I should be shot" Riker. And of course, WESLEY!!!

It's true but there was something likeable about them as they were so nice.

[Lateralus]

Well Mr. Berman, you've managed to ruin a 39 year television tradition.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Lateralus:
Well Mr. Berman, you've managed to ruin a 39 year television tradition.

Yup, and the funny thing is this Star Trek was supposed to be the anti-trek (it didn't even have Star Trek in the title till this season) and not repeat all the problems of the others.

Nice job.

Kinda like the GameCube was supposed to be the Anti-N64 and they actually made things worse.

[lewd0006]

Yeah, 3rd and 4th seasons were GREAT, but they totally lost their base after the first couple seasons. That base included me for awhile and it took some convincing from my dad to get back into it. Oh well, he'll be really bummed now!

[Sherwin]

Many late night drunken discussions about Trek has led me to believe the following:

Enterprise bombed 'coz it alienated the hardcore fans in an attempt to gain casual newbies. Bridge better than Kirk's? No go - not even with the excuse that First Contact polluted the timeline.
There were only three things worth watching Enterprise for - all of them Vulcan.

For the next installment, they need to carry on forwards in time, to explore what happens with the already-known races when the Dominion have had their butts kicked (remembering that Janeaway brought some nice tech back from her travels).
Maybe even start to explore the universe from the perspective of some other race - plenty of storylines in Cardassian politics, for example.
Why haven't we had much trouble off the Breen yet?


Me, I still mourn the passing of Space Above and Beyond.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by lewd0006:
Yeah, 3rd and 4th seasons were GREAT, but they totally lost their base after the first couple seasons. That base included me for awhile and it took some convincing from my dad to get back into it. Oh well, he'll be really bummed now!

Ya I skipped most of second season as it was unbearable.

The thing I didn't like about the show was the way they made the Vulcans lying jerks, it was so overdone.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
For the next installment, they need to carry on forwards in time, to explore what happens with the already-known races when the Dominion have had their butts kicked (remembering that Janeaway brought some nice tech back from her travels).
Maybe even start to explore the universe from the perspective of some other race - plenty of storylines in Cardassian politics, for example.
Why haven't we had much trouble off the Breen yet?

A show taking place after the Dominion War would have written itself. So many directions to go in.

[mitchell_pgh]

They could never get it going. The character development was worse then any other Star Trek. They were basically given free range and did nothing with it.

I kept thinking "this could be an amazing series" but unless you were completely wrapped up in the series, you had no idea what was going on. At lease with many of the other ST Series.

They should have focused on much better core character development, more battles, etc.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ya I skipped most of second season as it was unbearable.

The thing I didn't like about the show was the way they made the Vulcans lying jerks, it was so overdone.

I totally agree... for not having emotion... being a jerk really conflicts with the whole race...

[smacintush]

Seriously, how many more decades do we have to put up with Star Trek. I love Star Trek but their time is over. Enjoy the past show/movies for what they are and move on.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
They could never get it going. The character development was worse then any other Star Trek. They were basically given free range and did nothing with it.

Yup, rumours before the show started suggested that the weapons officer would be gay, that might be a bit more interesting that what he turned out to be.

Also Travis (the black pilot) was never developed other than in ONE episode, he just say there the whole time.

[Scotttheking]

Enterprise violated so many "rules" of Star Trek. Races showed up that were first seen in TNG, the tech was off, etc. It just didn't fit.
Hopefully the new B5 movie will be good.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Enterprise violated so many "rules" of Star Trek. Races showed up that were first seen in TNG, the tech was off, etc. It just didn't fit.

That is why they created the temporal war to cover up all those mistakes that they were planing on making.

AND WE NEVER FOUND OUT WHO FUTURE GUY WAS. Which really makes the premiere and following 3 seasons useless.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Enterprise violated so many "rules" of Star Trek. Races showed up that were first seen in TNG, the tech was off, etc. It just didn't fit.
Hopefully the new B5 movie will be good.

As far as I'm concerned, ST: TNG violated the "rules" of Star Trek.

[lewd0006]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
As far as I'm concerned, ST: TNG violated the "rules" of Star Trek.

Why is that?

They definitely need to move back to the future with Star Trek.. that was the appeal of it. How can you make a series that pre-dates Kirk and yet looks completely technologically superior. It was a dumb concept and hopefully they've learned their lesson. Hiring competent actors, especially in lead roles, might help too. Scott Bakula? Quantum Leap, yes. But not Star Trek. COME ON!

Just as long as we don't get a closet homosexual half-klingon captain for the next one (you know, I always thought Worf was kind of queer). Transcending generations and breaking rules is what ST is about after all... I just hope they stick to the formula, period. It works!

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by lewd0006:
Just as long as we don't get a closet homosexual half-klingon captain for the next one (you know, I always thought Worf was kind of queer). Transcending generations and breaking rules is what ST is about after all... I just hope they stick to the formula, period. It works!

Homophobic are we?

[lewd0006]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Homophobic are we?

Oh for god's sake. Why am I not surprised by that response.

I'm just saying... they should stay away from controversy and stick to the formula. Period. And for the record, I actually think a gay klingon captain would be hysterical.. I was just speculating that Berman and Braga might be trying too hard too attract new fans when their base is already large enough. Stick with what works and keep the base happy.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by lewd0006:
Oh for god's sake. Why am I not surprised by that response.

Probably because you said this:
:Just as long as we don't get a closet homosexual half-klingon captain for the next one (you know, I always thought Worf was kind of queer)"

Doesn't sound like a compliment

[Sherwin]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Probably because you said this:
:Just as long as we don't get a closet homosexual half-klingon captain for the next one (you know, I always thought Worf was kind of queer)"

Doesn't sound like a compliment

I'm sure he meant it in a "stick with the rules" way. I couldn't imagine Klingon culture being too gay-friendly, so any storyline with a gay Klingon would be a breach of established convention, right? ...and breaching established convention is what made Enterprise suck.

Queer Eye For The Klingon Guy? That's another show.

[lewd0006]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
I'm sure he meant it in a "stick with the rules" way. I couldn't imagine Klingon culture being too gay-friendly, so any storyline with a gay Klingon would be a breach of established convention, right? ...and breaching established convention is what made Enterprise suck.

Queer Eye For The Klingon Guy? That's another show.

Nor was I trying to compliment anyone. Enterprise was pathetic until season 3, and it was never GREAT. Thanks for saying what I tried saying better than I actually managed to though

[Athens]

what sucks for me is on Friday night at 8PM PST, there is nothing else to watch. Enterprise might not have been the best, BUT it was better then anything else on TV in that time slot. As well for the people saying YAY its gone, I remmeber so many PC friends saying that about the Mac just before the first iMac made it to market. Star Trek wont go away.

[iDriveX]

What happened with Enterprise is that everyone was expecting some Emmy worthy performance by the writers, directors and actors. It was overanalyzed and wasn't appreciated for the pure fun it was. Big deal, it broke some rules, was it not still fun? I was able to appreciate the last episode without crapping my pants wondering if the Humans would see the Romulans and ruin continuity! Meanwhile everyone else was ranting BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY! Romulans Pre-Kirk! OMG DID YOU SEE WHAT THEY WERE WEARING?!?! That's not what they wore in Star Trek VI!!!!!!! AHHHHH!

[ajprice]

Rule 1 of SciFi, if you're going to make an imaginary universe, stick to it and don't change things.

Rule 2, don't talk about Fight Club, oh hang on, thats not right...

[effgee]

Originally posted by ajprice:
... Rule 2, don't talk about Fight Club, oh hang on, thats not right ...

Rule 2, don't call Worf a coward - ever!

fixed&trade;


"If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand!"

[brutal]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I want more T'Pol!

[starman]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:

Well at least Battlestar can pick up the slack.

That show's not much better. There are a whole slew of problems with that show.

Mike

[nforcer]

I was never a fan of the prequel idea. I think Berman once said that the prequel idea would "take trek back to its roots" and force writers to come up with interesting ideas without using tech or all of these other things they had established in previous franchises. Instead, all they did was use tech and the same types of solutions to solve problems. If not that, they rewrote the history of the series as they saw fit because they could not come up with a decent solution.

In terms of acting, I don't think Bakula has done a good job. His acting feels forced. I think he is the worst captain any trek has had.

However, S4 is definitely a step up from previous seasons so its cancellation is kind of surprising. I thought they wanted to reach at least 100 episodes before syndication, but apparently not.

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Too bad. It was a much better show than ST: TNG or DS9.

I don't think you will get many trek fans to agree. TNG started out crappy, but after 2 seasons they figured out how to do things and I found it to be enjoyable. DS9 started out slow but the sense of continuity and development was, in my opinion, the best of all the treks. Only recently has Enterprise been producing episodes that are comparable in terms of quality. Enterprise seasons 1 and 2, and parts of 3 were crap. It's a shame that they are canceling now that things are more watchable again.

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Yup, and the funny thing is this Star Trek was supposed to be the anti-trek (it didn't even have Star Trek in the title till this season) and not repeat all the problems of the others.

Nice job.

Kinda like the GameCube was supposed to be the Anti-N64 and they actually made things worse.

Interesting observation. It fits.

Originally posted by Sherwin:
For the next installment, they need to carry on forwards in time, to explore what happens with the already-known races when the Dominion have had their butts kicked (remembering that Janeaway brought some nice tech back from her travels).
Maybe even start to explore the universe from the perspective of some other race - plenty of storylines in Cardassian politics, for example.
Why haven't we had much trouble off the Breen yet?

I agree that they have to do something where people do not know the outcome or the general direction of things. Some kind of post-DS9 future is likely the best place for this to happen.

As for the notion that they should explore from the perspective of another race, I don't think that would attract many new fans. If you want to have a series that deals with a human side of things with issues that people can connect with, why not just have humans? I think aliens serve better as a supportive role.

Me, I still mourn the passing of Space Above and Beyond.

Same here.


Whatever they do next, they need to do without Berman and Braga. B&B were too afraid to permit anything really different, and almost every original idea they came up with was stupid and did not fit into things. They have been given more than enough time to turn things around, and all they have done is run things more into the ground with uninteresting characters, lack of consequences, lack of planning, and a lack of continuity.

[blackbird_1.0]

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ya I skipped most of second season as it was unbearable.

The thing I didn't like about the show was the way they made the Vulcans lying jerks, it was so overdone.

Vulcans have emotions, they just control/supress them. Just a nitpick.

[Eug Wanker]

I don't think you will get many trek fans to agree. TNG started out crappy, but after 2 seasons they figured out how to do things and I found it to be enjoyable. DS9 started out slow but the sense of continuity and development was, in my opinion, the best of all the treks. Only recently has Enterprise been producing episodes that are comparable in terms of quality. Enterprise seasons 1 and 2, and parts of 3 were crap. It's a shame that they are canceling now that things are more watchable again.

Actually, while lots would disagree with me, lots would agree too. I watched both TNG and DS9, but I still consider both to be a bastardization of ST. That Enterprise is also is no different. BTW, I've always felt that DS9, while not bad, was sometimes irritatingly soap opera-ish.

Battlestar Galactica in 2005 is a bastardization of the original too, but it has more edge. It's not so sickeningly PC like TNG or DS9.

But yeah, much of the first two seasons of Enterprise was extremely stupid. And I hate the theme music.

[Turias]

Originally posted by nforcer:
In terms of acting, I don't think Bakula has done a good job. His acting feels forced. I think he is the worst captain any trek has had.

He wasn't worse than Janeway. And while not a starship captain, Cisco was pretty bad, too.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

Originally posted by brutal:
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I want more T'Pol!

Actually she has been complaining every chance she gets about the writing for the past 2 years.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by Turias:
He wasn't worse than Janeway. And while not a starship captain, Cisco was pretty bad, too.

Sisko had by far the worst acting in a leader in a Star Trek series.

[videian28]

DS9 was a soap opera on a space station, worst one of all IMO

TNG was good, Voyager was good they had a whole new area unknown to humans to explore (and come up with any plot they wanted)

Enterprise...from day one that intro song rubbed me wrong, it has gotten better lately (finally)

[bwahahax]

Last summer there was talk of a possible trek series developed by Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski. He pitched it to Paramount. Sounds like nothing happened with it.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-m...06/21/10.00.tv